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[Jeff]

Remember his 9/11 Class Action lawsuit that went nowhere (it was dismissed ), but ate up a lot of hope and energy in 9/11 Truth's early days with Hilton's extravagant claims that he had secret, incriminating materials?

He said in 2004 that "Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen."

He wrote that "the most compelling and credible evidence in any case is always physical evidence," and as an example claimed the airplanes were carrying "pods."

A typical comment about the value of the "government insider" at the time: "Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit internet conspiracy buff. Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people."

Alex Jones told him "Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being naïve and not recognizing evil."

Is there any lesson for 9/11 Truth in the Stanley Hilton story? How's that "recognizing evil" thing coming along?

[brownzeroed]

Maybe its time to stop listening to folks who throw around infantile intangibles like good and evil.

And a "Hilton", more than anyone, understands this.

But, good luck with that one.

As for Alex Jones, I'm skeptical of anyone who claims "Tonight's broadcast is gonna break the whole CONSPIRACY wide open" every goddamn program... He's a snake oil salesman, at best. More than likely, the Ted Gunderson of the 9/11 traveling roadshow.

[marykmusic]

I disagree that Good and Evil are intangibles. To me, the Dark Side is the enemy, nothing intangible about it. --MaryK
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[brownzeroed]

Hi maryK.

I was actually referring to Alex Jones' woefully over-simplified view of the world. Just my opinion. I could be wrong. Sorry I wasn't more specific.

But I have to say when it comes to good and evil, I definitely stand by Mary Shelley's thesis. Monsters are not born. They are created. Conditioning, undiagnosed/untreated trauma, fear, paranoia, etc..

good and evil tend to be dangerously narrow terms that can easily be misused and ultimately cause more pain and suffering.

The Cultural Revolution as an example.

[pitcairn]

or a fool's errand ...

well I thought I'd take a crack at throwing around those old infantile intangibles, just for the hell of it, lol

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Evil devises, and dwells in, a wax museum version of life and the world, with the best among the displays quite fantastically ornate, complete with the most persuasive and convincing special effects Money, Magic, and Science can buy and unoriginal minds invent; but at the end of the day, all the exits are chained and all the contents are still dead.

Good expresses and fosters flourishing, mediation, wholeness, health, restoration and renewal.

Good self-governance and conduct respect and preserve the dignity and wholeness of every living creature and the whole of Creation, including oneself; and refuses to accept, or justify, or excuse any breaches of that preservation and respect

Good will humbly steward: if we would be good, we must try not to break or harm anything or anyone; and, if we do, we must gladly take it upon ourselves to help fix or mend what or whom we have broken or injured; if someone else does the breaking, the harming, we must help to hold such person or persons accountable for restitution, and we ourselves must aid in restoring justice

dark conspiracies? who with knowledge of this world can doubt it?

but that's all they are: foul, dark conspiracies, servitors of Nothing; and the remedy is the same as ever it was: we must be Good's hands, God’s hands, Themis’ hands, Creation’s hands on earth, to rescue, care for, protect, and heal the wounded and the world;

and to get justice

becos under the rule of law, justice IS healing; it gives restoration to the individual where possible and to the community/body politic always: no monarch by Divine Right to touch us into wellness, but there is our Themis – Justice - thro her comes our thaumaturgy, no other

do dark people engage dark forces? yes, experience tells me so

do I fear them? should you? no, certainly not

do I underestimate their ruthlessness? should you? never

and yet

the worst they can do they cannot do at all, only we can do it to ourselves, and that is to collaborate with them in their dark cruelties

they can't make us do that: only we can stain and disfigure our own souls

the worst they can do to their targeted victims? torture and/or kill them, of course

well who will stop that? had it better not be our own selves?

if they kill me, my days are done, and I'm free

if they torture me, and let me live, they have made me also free, and what's more, powerful beyond their merely vile and paltry pretensions to power, becos in the face of such fracturing and desolation, such deracination and exile, such immersion in their poisonous air, I become one who could do as they do, but choose not to, choose never to

if they drive me to the depth and breadth and furthest reach of Creation by their cruelty, then I am like one returned from the dead, "trailing clouds of glory" anew, ‘til I die again

so what power, if any, do these pathetic soi disant dark magicians, dark scientists, possess?

the power to lie, and to terrify thro brutality

very cheap trick

they are no match for Creation
they are no match for love
they are no match for their own great Nemesis created anew in their every living victim

and they know it, tho they will go to any lengths to deceive us, and themselves, that this is not so

they are all need, and nothing but; they will spite you, if they can, and smite you if they dare, but after all, that's not much of a showing, is it?

If they were half so powerful as all powerful, they would have no need of coercion, terror, and deceit; all would be theirs for the wanting

it's as interesting as it might be useful to know something about them, but really, evil is very repetitive and boring, without originality or game; a wax museum imitation of life, that never changes and is always dead, no matter how artful and theatrically horrifying the displays

endless examination of evil and its servant conspiracies is to put an ordinary beach ball under an electron microscope: with some effort you could do it, but why bother?

in the end they’re all the same: to know one is to know all, to know them then is to know them now and forever

to simply study evil and know is nothing; to know and do may be worthwhile

proposals to take action generally seem a little thin on the ground, lol

as for forgiveness, that's between the manifest and God, for only the Divine can judge: who harms the Creature harms Creator first, worst, and last; forgiveness is not ours to give, but God’s alone

to know evil is to know good; to look upon the face of the Devil is to know the power of God

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[AlicetheKurious]

Four years ago, in March 2003, Mike Ruppert issued this warning:

A word of warning to all those who are ecstatic and jumping over Stanley Hilton's so-called revelations. He and Jones combined are extremely dangerous. Recently, Jones wrote a piece on Patriot II that was full of fabrications and shameless distortions. Jones even fabricated a section of bill S22 that he said was going to call for the mandatory registration of all firearms in the country. The bill actually contained a specific provision prohibiting that.

His interview with Hilton was full of just as many distortions and I have never trusted or accepted Honneger's modified-limited hangout and I have proven it to be false in my upcoming book, "Crossing the Rubicon." The reason is simple: Honneger asserts that the attacks were masked by some 9-11 exercise which prevented officials from knowing of real hijackings. In my book I establish the exact times that FAA knew of the 9-11 hijackings and that they were NOT drills. Then I show the exact breakdowns in proceedure that occurred after it was known that they were real hijackings, after FAA and NORAD knew that the twin towers had been hit and after the White House and Secret Service had issued clear warnings to prevent Flt 93 from reaching Washington. Flt 93 was shot down pursuant to that order.

It is my strong belief that Stanley Hilton is the Daniel Sheehan of the new century and that anyone who allies with him will be as discredited and broke as those who supported the Christic Institute. He has rounded up 400 victim families and he will destroy their case exactly the same way that Sheehan destroyed Martha Honey's and all who were involved in that one. As for Alex Jones I still want to believe that he is just over-energized, careless and sloppy. But even at that he is playing directly into the opposition's hands.

Hilton's discourse was the most unprofessional dialogue I have ever heard from a lawyer in a public setting. And the man was a close colleague of Bob Dole. Does anyone get the picture?

Read below for just one of his many factual and very serious exaggerations in the radio broadcast. Before allying with someone who insists that "they're coming after white people" I encourage anyone who signs on to this thread to click on the link and listen to the full broadcast for yourselves.

Make up your own minds. If, after that, you still want to align with this nonsense then it's on you and you will deserve what you get for it.

Mike Ruppert

Link

Just to be clear, I have NO opinion one way or another about Mike Ruppert. I'm just noting that he made this warning 4 years ago.

[pitcairn]

I think it was sunny who just recently posted this on the Christic appeal :

http://www.redshift.com/~damason/lhreport/articles/cristic.html
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[brownzeroed]

"What then is truth? A movable host of metaphors, metonymies, and; anthropomorphisms: in short, a sum of human relations which have been poetically and rhetorically intensified, transferred, and embellished, and which, after long usage, seem to a people to be fixed, canonical, and binding. Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions- they are metaphors that have become worn out and have been drained of sensuous force, coins which have lost their embossing and are now considered as metal and no longer as coins. "
--Friedrich Nietzsche

[Jeff]

Good Nietzche quote. Almost every one is.

Alex Jones can blovate about naivete, but he's either supremely naive himself or calculatingly cynical. He cares more about whipping up and sustaining hysteria than he does about building a credible case against the bad guys. And I guess he should, because that's the niche he's carved out for himself. But it's a mistake to regard him as an authority or even a spokesperson for "9/11 Truth" - or any truth for that matter. As you said, I'm skeptical of anyone who claims "Tonight's broadcast is gonna break the whole CONSPIRACY wide open" every goddamn program.

[brownzeroed]

[wordspeak2]

To stop believing "former" high level government/intelligence officials who put out limited hangout or disinfo or false alarms like this.
Ruppert happened to be right on this one. I think he was pointing out the obvious.
I mean, if I had a practically unlimited black budget and entrenched power and secrets to protect I too would throw out tons of false heros and phony whistleblowers to an overzealous movement that seriously challenges my power.

A partial list of "ex"-intel supposed-whistleblowers just recently:

-Morgan Reynolds
-Bill Christison
-Karen Kwiatowski
-Wayne Madsen
-John Perkins
-Ray McGovern
-Scott Ritter

Then, historically, there's Bob Woodward, so many more...

What a *real* whistleblower looks like (attacked, sometimes run out of the country, as in Phil Agee's case):
-Phillip Agee
-Victor Marchetti (wrote censored book "The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence)
-John Stockwell (CIA)
-Fletcher Prouty?? Perhaps? Or perhaps not.
-Michael Levine (DEA)
-Carlos Castenads (also DEA)

Anyway, thanks, Jeff, for having some institutional memory and keeping it active.

Widow Ellen Mariani has also sued, but I don't think it's gotten far.

[robert d reed]

[MacCruiskeen]

"What a *real* whistleblower looks like (attacked, sometimes run out of the country, ..."

Well, add Michael Ruppert to that list. Having been attacked, vilified, shot at and forced out of his job in the 1990s (after exposing CIA drugrunning in US cities), he was then attacked, vilified, forced into temporary exile, bankrupted and finally silenced (between 2001 and 2006) after doing more real research and serious thinking about 9/11 than almost anyone else anywhere.

And he was predicting four years ago that the whole "controlled demolition" and "no-plane" fandango would turn out to be a) a terrible waste of time and energy and b) a gift to establishment lackeys and professional disinformation-artists.

[wordspeak2]

Wow, that must have been a rushed email; I think my subconscious got him confused with the peyote guy.

I interviewed Castillo for my radio show once- a great guy. Though, yeah, his site, http://www.powderburns.org/, isn't very substantive.

Michael Levine, too, is great- a DEA agent transferred from New York to Argentina, where he comes to find that the bigger the drug dealer he tries to bust, the more likely that the DEA higher-ups- infiltrated by the CIA- prevent him from making the bust. His biggest book was, "The Big White Lie" (referring to coke).

No comment on Ruppert, the only "real whistleblower" to advocate mass population reduction.