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MacCruiskeen
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 Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:23 am Post subject: WTF? Fox News RECYCLES 2-year-old Terror warning |
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Be very afraid, says Fox News, quoting Israeli "Counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv":
U.S. Terror Attack — 'Ninety Days at Most'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161962,00.html
Now, that's nothing new - quite literally, because there's something very strange going on here: World Net Daily was running literally exactly the same interview, with exactly the same person, two years ago, on July 9th 2005:
| Quote: | HOMELAND INSECURITY
Intel analyst: Attack
on U.S. imminent
Former Israeli agent says
government not preparing citizens
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Posted: July 9, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Terrorists will try to carry out an attack on the United States within the next 90 days, a former Israeli counterterrorism intelligence officer predicts.
Juval Aviv, head of the New York-based intelligence company Interfor and a special consultant to the U.S. Congress, told Fox News his information is based primarily on intelligence "floating in Europe and the Middle East."
An event is "imminent and around the corner here in the United States," he said. "It could happen as soon as tomorrow, or it could happen in the next few months. Ninety days at the most." ...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45194 |
Click on the link to read the full text. Now, the very same interview (identical word-for-word) is up on the Fox News website - as if Aviv were talking about the current situation, in late summer 2007:
| Quote: | U.S. Terror Attack — 'Ninety Days at Most'
Counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv spoke with FOX Fan Central about what Americans can do to protect themselves in case of a terror attack.
-Do you believe another terrorist attack is likely on American soil?
I predict, based primarily on information that is floating in Europe and the Middle East, that an event is imminent and around the corner here in the United States. It could happen as soon as tomorrow, or it could happen in the next few months. Ninety days at the most.
-What advice do you have for individuals that have the misfortune of finding themselves in the middle of a terror attack?
Since mass transportation is the next attack, when you travel to work have with you, a bottle of water, a small towel and a flashlight. What happened in London is exactly a point to look at. Those people who were close to the bombs died, then others were injured or died from inhaling the toxic fumes or getting trampled. The reason you take a bottle of water and a towel is that if you wet the towel and put it over your face, you can protect yourself against the fumes and get yourself out of there.
Don't be bashful. If your gut feeling tells you when you walk onto a bus there is something unusual or suspicious, get out and walk away. You may do it 10 times for no reason, but there will be one time that saves your life. Let your sixth sense direct you.
Try to break your routine. If you travel during rush hour every day, try to get up a little earlier and drive to work or take the train when it’s still not full. Don’t find yourself every day in the midst of rush hour. Terrorists are not going to waste a bomb on a half-empty train.
-What portion of the American infrastructure do you believe is at the greatest risk for a terror attack?
We have put all of our emphasis, right or wrong, on the aviation area. What has happened, in the last two to three years, based on information we have, is the terrorists have realized that they cannot hijack a plane in America soon because the passengers are going to fight back. So they realize what they have been very successful with over the last 50 years in Madrid, London, Iraq, Israel: demoralizing the public when they go to work and when they come back from work.
What they’re going to do is hit six, seven or eight cities simultaneously to show sophistication and really hit the public. This time, which is the message of the day, it will not only be big cities. They’re going to try to hit rural America. They want to send a message to rural America: "You’re not protected. If you figured out that if you just move out of New York and move to Montana or to Pittsburgh, you’re not immune. We’re going [to] get you wherever we can and it’s easier there than in New York."
-What more do you think the government can do to protect the public?
Number one, and this is the beef I’ve had with Homeland Security for the last four years, is educating the public on how to deal with those types of events. There’s no education. We’re raising the color code alert and that means nothing to anyone. Whether it’s green, yellow, pink, no one ever educated the public how to identify suspicious items or people. In Israel, so many of them [terrorists] have been apprehended just because people have phoned in. We don’t have that training on campuses, schools or kindergarten.
In Israel, it’s very popular right now [amongst terrorists] to put one device to explode and time another one for five minutes later when it’s all calm, people are getting up and the rescue teams have responded. You need to know all those things and think about those things. The government must pursue that. Law enforcement will never have enough people on the street to detect things. We don’t have that kind of manpower. That’s why the government must enlist the public.
Juval Aviv is a former Israeli Counterterrorism Intelligence Officer and President and CEO of Interfor, Inc. Mr. Aviv has also served as a special consultant to the U.S. Congress on issues of terrorism and security and is the author of “Staying Safe : The Complete Guide to Protecting Yourself, Your Family, and Your Business.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161962,00.html |
The Aviv interview is currently being discussed all over the web - for example here, at Canada Free Press:
| Quote: | Al Qaeda threats, big surprises, Massive Terror Attack
Same signs warning 9/11 was imminent apparent again
By Judi McLeod & Sean Osborne
Thursday, August 2, 2007
“Ninety days at the most” as of July 30, 2007 is the timeline predicted by counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv for an “imminent al Qaeda attack on five to seven American cities simultaneously.”
“I predict, based primarily on information that is floating in Europe and the Middle East, that an event is imminent and around the corner here in the United States. It could happen as soon as tomorrow, or it could happen in the next few months. Ninety days at the most,” said Mr. Aviv. (The Family Security Foundation, Inc., July 30, 2007). ...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover080207.htm |
[See also Snopes (scroll to bottom of page):
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/juvalaviv.asp ]
Source Watch tells us that "The Family Security Foundation is the tax-deductible financial entity behind Family Security Matters." And Family Security Matters is...
| Quote: | | Quote: | ...a conservative front group that claims to represent "security moms" and supports President George W. Bush.
Following an appearance on Fox News, Media Matters for America noted that "Family Security Matters (FSM) is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a conservative Washington think tank "committed to the time-tested philosophy of promoting international peace through American strength." (The phone number listed on the FSM website is answered by the CSP.) [1] |
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Family_Security_Matters |
And sure enough, this "conservative front group" reported on the Aviv interview as if it were new only eight days ago:
-- Could somebody please tell me exactly what the hell is going on here? Sure, the message, as ever, is "BE VERY AFRAID" - but unless I'm missing something very obvious here, it looks as though someone in the Manufactured Terror Industry has just fucked up big-time.
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NOTE: Juval Aviv himself is a very peculiar person, and important enough to merit a fairly lengthy Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juval_Aviv
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et in Arcadia ego
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So which of the three threads do you want us to post in?
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sunny
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I'm trying to delete one of the threads, but it keeps telling me "invalid session." I'll keep trying.
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MacCruiskeen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 11:39 am Post subject: |
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"So which of the three threads do you want us to post in?"
Aaargh! Either I can't post at all, or else my posts turn up in triplicate... Please reply in this thread (and somebody please delete the other one -- sorry, I can't.)
- Back on topic: What do people think's going on here? Aviv's 90-Day Extreme Terror Warning is indeed all over the web, as if it were new:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=U.S.+Terror+Attack+%E2%80%94+%27Ninety+Days+at+Most%27&meta= |
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MacCruiskeen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Down the rabbit hole... Let's recap:
1. On July 30, 2007, Family Security Matters publishes a story describing a Fox News interview and EXTREMELY SCARY TERROR WARNING. The interview and the warning are explicitly said to be "recent" and "Exclusive", but are in fact more than two years old and long-since published elsewhere.
2. Source Watch informs us:
"The Family Security Foundation is the tax-deductible financial entity behind Family Security Matters."
3. Furthermore:
"Family Security Matters (FSM) is a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP)"
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Family_Security_Matters
4. So, now we're getting somewhere. What is the Center for Security Policy (CSP)? It's a chamber of horrors, as SourceWatch kindly informs us:
| Quote: | Center for Security Policy has strong ties with the Republican Party with many members serving senior posts in the Reagan administration and George W. Bush administration. Donald Rumsfeld, currect Secretary of Defense under Bush, is a receipient of the the Center's Keeper of the Flame Award. The Center is not shy in touting its strong ties with the U.S. Government. [2][3]
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Personnel
Dick Cheney, Vice President of the U.S. under George W. Bush, was an early member of Center's Board of Advisors (which is now called the National Security Advisory Council).
"twenty-two CSP advisers -- including additional Reagan-era remnants like Elliott Abrams, Ken deGraffenreid, Paula Dobriansky, Sven Kraemer, Robert Joseph, Robert Andrews and J.D. Crouch -- have reoccupied key positions in the national security establishment, as have other true believers of more recent vintage."
..."While CSP boasts an impressive advisory list of hawkish luminaries, its star is Frank Gaffney, its founder, president and CEO."
..."Gaffney and CSP's prescriptions for national security have been fairly simple: Gut all arms control treaties, push ahead with weapons systems virtually everyone agrees should be killed, give no quarter to the Palestinians and, most important, go full steam ahead on just about every national missile defense program."
..."Looking at the center's affiliates, it's not hard to see why: Not only are makers of the Osprey (Boeing) well represented on the CSP's board of advisers but so too is Lockheed Martin (by vice president for space and strategic missiles Charles Kupperman and director of defense systems Douglas Graham). Former TRW executive Amoretta Hoeber is also a CSP adviser, as is former Congressman and Raytheon lobbyist Robert Livingston. Ball Aerospace & Technologies -- a major manufacturer of NASA and Pentagon satellites -- is represented by former Navy Secretary John Lehman, while missile-defense computer systems maker Hewlett-Packard is represented by George Keyworth, who is on its board of directors. And the Congressional Missile Defense Caucus and Osprey (or "tilt rotor") caucus are represented by Representative Curt Weldon and Senator Jon Kyl."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Center_for_Security_Policy |
In short, the people currently spreading this two-year-old story as if it were new are people with a million vested interests in scaring the population shitless.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: Broken record time |
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my guess is something big is in the offing.
The recent Exec' Order to suppress dissent has a reason. Either it's to pre-empt the rising dissent once it becomes clear the US will be staying in Iraq (what a complete surprise) or as a preparatory move in the anticipation of huge dissent after a major attack on the west that people suspect is bogus
More evidence of a possible pretext to expand the GWOT is discernable in the Chinese threat to ditch dollar bonds (see Jeff's post)
The Faux story is possibly a psyop to make the ignorant expect something so when it happens they will somehow "connect" the warnings with the attacks. It's a conditioning thang. Teevee is their compass.
I hope I'm wrong but my instincts tell me it's make or break for the current cabal. If they don't proceed onwards and take over control of Iran's oil by force the other faction will have no compunction in throwing them to the wolves.
So the other faction can carry on with hegemony behind a veil.
No honour amongst thieves and all that.
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The Neo Clowns need a test run on the new draconian police state legislative infrastructure the congress happily handed them over the last few years.
Buckle up, stock up on some water and canned salmon.
And now Israel is issuing travel warnings:
Israel warns against travel in Mideast
2 hours, 17 minutes ago
Israeli security officials on Monday warned citizens traveling in Egypt, Jordan and other Muslim countries to leave immediately due to a "concrete and severe" threat of terror attacks.
Israelis anywhere in the world should also be alert to the danger of being kidnapped by operatives from Hezbollah, the Lebanese militant group, according to the announcement from Israel's National Security Council.
Israeli tourists are allowed to visit Egypt and Jordan, which have peace agreements with Israel. But the council said any Israeli citizens in those countries should cut their trips short.
The council also warned against travel to Morocco, where Israelis can visit with special permission from that country's government, and to Tunisia. But those warnings were less urgent than the "severe" warning for other Muslim states.
The announcement on the council's Web site, a renewal of a travel advisory issued twice a year, also warned Israelis not to travel to Mideastern countries like Iraq, Yemen, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf states, as well as African nations like Somalia, Djibouti and Chad.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070807/...avel_warning_1 |
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MacCruiskeen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: |
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Slow Dazzle, there's certainly been a cluster of ominous warnings recently. But what strikes me about this particular story is that it shows Fox News demonstrably engaged in actual fraud, i.e., pretending to millions of people that a two-year-old story is in fact brand new. (Imagine they decided to print a story with the headline "Pentagon Attacked by Suicide Pilot' - without indicating that this 'news' is in fact six years old.) And the same fraud is being heavily promoted by the Center for Security Policy (CSP), i.e., by supporters and close associates of Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney.
I repeat: the interview with Juval Aviv is two years old, and is currently doing the rounds as if he were currently warning about an impending attack. But literally exactly the same interview was published in July 2005.
I admit that I am finding it impossible to work out why they would do this. Why take the risk that someone might Google and notice the fraud? Why not just interview the guy again? What's going on here?
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Hugh Manatee Wins
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:56 pm Post subject: Reruns. |
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What are you implying, that there is some vast over-arching conspiracy?
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nomo
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: WTF? Fox News RECYCLES 2-year-old Terror warning |
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| MacCruiskeen wrote: | Be very afraid, says Fox News, quoting Israeli "Counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv":
U.S. Terror Attack — 'Ninety Days at Most'
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161962,00.html
Now, that's nothing new - quite literally, because there's something very strange going on here: World Net Daily was running literally exactly the same interview, with exactly the same person, two years ago, on July 9th 2005 |
Hmm. Go to the Fox article, and click on the "Print" link. It will show what's missing on the formatted page, namely, the publication date:
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,161962,00.html
| Quote: | U.S. Terror Attack — 'Ninety Days at Most'
Wednesday, July 13, 2005
Counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv spoke with FOX Fan Central about what Americans can do to protect themselves in case of a terror attack.
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In other words, this guy was interviewed right after the bombings in London. Not sure what made you think this is anything recent.
Looks like they have us where they want us when we start seeing conspiracies where there are none. |
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MacCruiskeen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Hugh, would you mind translating that question into English? Thanks in advance. |
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MacCruiskeen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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nomo, that's precisely my point: Fox News have now re-published this interview as if were current news. More importantly, you didn't address the fact that The Family Security Foundation ("a front group for the Center for Security Policy (CSP)") is explicitly claiming that the Aviv interview is new, and that the 90-day countdown began on July 30th of this year:
| Quote: | Al Qaeda threats, big surprises, Massive Terror Attack
Same signs warning 9/11 was imminent apparent again
By Judi McLeod & Sean Osborne
Thursday, August 2, 2007
“Ninety days at the most” as of July 30, 2007 is the timeline predicted by counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv for an “imminent al Qaeda attack on five to seven American cities simultaneously.”
“I predict, based primarily on information that is floating in Europe and the Middle East, that an event is imminent and around the corner here in the United States. It could happen as soon as tomorrow, or it could happen in the next few months. Ninety days at the most,” said Mr. Aviv. (The Family Security Foundation, Inc., July 30, 2007). ...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover080207.htm |
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orz
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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So it's FMS doing the recycling, not fox? You should probably edit the headline accordingly to avoid spreading disinformation...
| Quote: | | a preparatory move in the anticipation of huge dissent after a major attack on the west that people suspect is bogus |
Well dunno about you, but if I was planning a massive fake terrorist attack which I was pretty sure noone would believe in and would cause mass uprisings, I'd... you know... NOT stage a fake terror attack?  |
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MacCruiskeen
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | So it's FMS doing the recycling, not fox? |
No, it's Fox too. |
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nomo
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| Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| MacCruiskeen wrote: | | Quote: | | So it's FMS doing the recycling, not fox? |
No, it's Fox too. |
Well, as our leaders told us, we'll be fighting this GWOT (TM) for at least a generation, so recycling the threat just makes economic sense.  |
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