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vigilant
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:12 am Post subject: House Passes Thought Crime Legislation, Who Qualifies? |
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House Passes Thought Crime Prevention Bill
By MichaelVail
Created 2007-10-25 07:06
Posted: 2007-10-25 01:58:42 [1]
Source: BlacklistedNews [2] - Roguegovernment.com [3]
Author: Lee Rodgers
www.thought-criminal.org
The U.S. House of Representatives recently passed HR 1955 titled the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007 [4]. This bill is one of the most blatant attacks against the Constitution yet and actually defines thought crimes as homegrown terrorism. If passed into law, it will also establish a commission and a Center of Excellence to study and defeat so called thought criminals. Unlike previous anti-terror legislation, this bill specifically targets the civilian population of the United States and uses vague language to define homegrown terrorism. Amazingly, 404 of our elected representatives from both the Democrat and Republican parties voted in favor of this bill [5]. There is little doubt that this bill is specifically targeting the growing patriot community that is demanding the restoration of the Constitution.
First let’s take a look at the definitions of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as defined in Section 899A of the bill.
The definition of violent radicalization uses vague language to define this term of promoting any belief system that the government considers to be an extremist agenda. Since the bill doesn’t specifically define what an extremist belief system is, it is entirely up to the interpretation of the government. Considering how much the government has done to destroy the Constitution they could even define Ron Paul supporters as promoting an extremist belief system. Literally, the government according to this definition can define whatever they want as an extremist belief system. Essentially they have defined violent radicalization as thought crime. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.
`(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.
The definition of homegrown terrorism uses equally vague language to further define thought crime. The bill includes the planned use of force or violence as homegrown terrorism which could be interpreted as thinking about using force or violence. Not only that but the definition is so vaguely defined, that petty crimes could even fall into the category of homegrown terrorism. The definition as defined in the bill is shown below.
`(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Section 899B of the bill goes over the findings of Congress as it pertains to homegrown terrorism. Particularly alarming is that the bill mentions the Internet as a main source for terrorist propaganda. The bill even mentions streams in obvious reference to many of the patriot and pro-constitution Internet radio networks that have been formed. It also mentions that homegrown terrorists span all ages and races indicating that the Congress is stating that everyone is a potential terrorist. Even worse is that Congress states in their findings that they should look at draconian police states like Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom as models to defeat homegrown terrorists. Literally, these findings of Congress fall right in line with the growing patriot community.
The biggest joke of all is that this section also says that any measure to prevent violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism should not violate the constitutional rights of citizens. However, the definition of violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism as they are defined in section 899A are themselves unconstitutional. The Constitution does not allow the government to arrest people for thought crimes, so any promises not to violate the constitutional rights of citizens is already broken by their own definitions.
`SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.
`The Congress finds the following:
`(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.
`(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.
`(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.
`(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.
`(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.
`(6) The potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily prevented through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and requires the incorporation of State and local solutions.
`(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.
`( Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.
`(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.
Section 899C calls for a commission on the prevention of violent radicalization and ideologically based violence. The commission will consist of ten members appointed by various individuals that hold different positions in government. Essentially, this is a commission that will examine and report on how they are going to deal with violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. So basically, the commission is being formed specifically on how to deal with thought criminals in the United States. The bill requires that the commission submit their final report 18 months following the commission’s first meeting as well as submit interim reports every 6 months leading up to the final report. Below is the bill’s defined purpose of the commission. Amazingly they even define one of the purposes of the commission to determine the causes of lone wolf violent radicalization.
(b) Purpose- The purposes of the Commission are the following:
`(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.
`(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--
`(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;
`(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and
`(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.
Section 899D of the bill establishes a Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States. Essentially, this will be a Department of Homeland Security affiliated institution that will study and determine how to defeat thought criminals.
Section 899E of the bill discusses how the government is going to defeat violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperation. As stated in the findings section earlier in the legislation, they will unquestionably seek the advice of countries with draconian police states like the United Kingdom to determine how to deal with this growing threat of thought crime.
Possibly the most ridiculous section of the bill is Section 899F which states how they plan on protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism. Here is what the section says.
`SEC. 899F. PROTECTING CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES WHILE PREVENTING IDEOLOGICALLY-BASED VIOLENCE AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.
`(a) In General- The Department of Homeland Security's efforts to prevent ideologically-based violence and homegrown terrorism as described herein shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, and civil liberties of United States citizens and lawful permanent residents.
`(b) Commitment to Racial Neutrality- The Secretary shall ensure that the activities and operations of the entities created by this subtitle are in compliance with the Department of Homeland Security's commitment to racial neutrality.
`(c) Auditing Mechanism- The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security will develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not result in a disproportionate impact, without a rational basis, on any particular race, ethnicity, or religion and include the results of its audit in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.'.
(b) Clerical Amendment- The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:
It states in the first subsection that in general the efforts to defeat thought crime shall not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights and civil liberties of the United States citizens and lawful permanent residents. How does this protect constitutional rights if they use vague language such as in general that prefaces the statement? This means that the Department of Homeland Security does not have to abide by the Constitution in their attempts to prevent so called homegrown terrorism.
This bill is completely insane. It literally allows the government to define any and all crimes including thought crime as violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism. Obviously, this legislation is unconstitutional on a number of levels and it is clear that all 404 representatives who voted in favor of this bill are traitors and should be removed from office immediately. The treason spans both political parties and it shows us all that there is no difference between them. The bill will go on to the Senate and will likely be passed and signed into the law by George W. Bush. Considering that draconian legislation like the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act have already been passed, there seems little question that this one will get passed as well. This is more proof that our country has been completely sold out by a group of traitors at all levels of government. _________________ The whole world is a stage...will somebody turn the lights on please?....I have to go bang my head against the wall for a while and assimilate.... |
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11:11
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Every member of the House who voted for this has declared war on the American people. I'll tell you who will qualify as a terrorist: anyone who demands these traitors be arrested for treason, which they have been committing NON FUCKING STOP. They are passing these laws to protect THEMSELVES from We the People. That would be any 9/11 researchers, anyone pro Constitution, anti war, pro soveignty, animal rights advocates (California actually did that YEARS ago), property rights advocates (NAFTA superhighway opponants), home schoolers, natural health advocates, or anyone not down with their commufascist totalitarian system. The gloves are off, I'd say. We the People are the enemy.
Jane Harmon was the original sponsor of the bill. She's on the AIPAC payroll. AIPAC and Israel are the trojan horse in the USA. I'd like to know who wrote the legislation. |
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vigilant
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 1:56 am Post subject: taking care of business |
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Blackwater guard, taking care of business _________________ The whole world is a stage...will somebody turn the lights on please?....I have to go bang my head against the wall for a while and assimilate.... |
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Hugh Manatee Wins
Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 8506 Location: in context
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: Cyber censorship coming fast. |
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This hyped terrorism language is aimed at us.
I'll bet that the latest rash of nooses is helping propel this awful legilation but that the secretly offered justification for thought crime legislation is that our sharing the documented history of the National inSecurity State's methods and tactics using false-flag terrorism and psy-ops... is bound to stir up the next Weathermen or Ted Kazcynski or etc.
Already Comcast is using software tricks to abort online downloads of some materials and I think this sneaky tactic is going to be required of all the big ISPs in the same way the NSA mandated monitoring all of us.
URLs and keywords will be choked the way Yahoo and Google already do it in China.
This is the only way TPTB know how to deal with the 9/11 truth movement, exposure of Operation Mockingbird, worsening climate change disasters, and a permanent case of Vietnam Syndrome II.
They are screwed and on the ropes. _________________ CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz! |
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Joe Hillshoist
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | They are screwed and on the ropes. | - hugh
See sports analogies can be useful.
| Quote: | | 9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations. |
Can't speak for other countries but the only acts homegrown terroriem in Australia were the ASIO organised (well thats what the evidence suggests) bombs at the Hilton Hotel in Sydney during CHOGM in the late 70s. |
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11:11
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:38 am Post subject: |
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They are screwed and on the ropes.
Yes, they are and they're running scared. What do you suppose they think of the huge support for Ron Paul, who would cut their criminal legs right out from under them? They FEAR us and any prosecutions that may be coming - and they WILL come. For war crimes, treason, and conspiring against this nation and it's people. They are following some UK model of government, NOT the constitution, and they are traitors.
Hugh, someone sent me an email with an article about Verizon sabotaging text messages of a political nature. Did you know about that? |
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11:11
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Joe Hillshoist wrote: | | Quote: | | They are screwed and on the ropes. | - hugh
See sports analogies can be useful.
| Quote: | | 9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations. |
Can't speak for other countries but the only acts homegrown terroriem in Australia were the ASIO organised (well thats what the evidence suggests) bombs at the Hilton Hotel in Sydney during CHOGM in the late 70s. |
What is ASIO?
When they use commonwealth countries as a model, it's to UNDERMINE the constitution. |
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Hugh Manatee Wins
Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 8506 Location: in context
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: Ron Paul fears. Spamjacketing. |
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| 11:11 wrote: | They are screwed and on the ropes.
Yes, they are and they're running scared. What do you suppose they think of the huge support for Ron Paul, who would cut their criminal legs right out from under them? |
Good point about Ron Paul. The spook behavioral scientists must've been alarmed by how much support even lefties give this libertarian. And Paul got dumped fast by the Mockingbirds.
| Quote: | | Hugh, someone sent me an email with an article about Verizon sabotaging text messages of a political nature. Did you know about that? |
I already knew about similiar tactics from AOL which treats lots of subversive information as spam and chokes it. Folks in a group I emailed wouldn't receive my little 'infogifts' if they used AOL but everyone else would get them just fine.
AfterDowningStreet.org found out their email notices weren't reaching people, too.
Before AfterDowningStreet.org's episode I figured this out trick, named it "spamjacketing" after COINTELPRO's "badjacketing" of the best activists and exposed it here at RI.
Yes, it's been true for a long time that spam filters were being intentionally sensitized to subversive (true) text and urls to abort their transmission in a plausibly deniable way.
Starting Chinese lessons soon.... _________________ CIA runs mainstream media since WWII:
news rooms, movies/TV, publishing
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Disney is CIA for kidz! |
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Horatio Hellpop
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:33 am Post subject: |
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| Joe I thought it was the federal coppers that organised the Hilton bombs?? |
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slow_dazzle
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: OMG...this was predicted though |
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The sequential war for resources has to be accompanied by domestic repression. US troops are in Iraq to stay. Period. 9/11 was the pretext for the oil grab and NO it was not about making the elite rich, although that happened incidentally. The elite is fully aware that the US needs to secure energy supplies as they start to get scarce. The elite is fully aware that the US economy is crashing. The elite is fully aware that the unrest at home poses a considerable threat to domestic stability.
People were warned about this back in 2001 and some, such as Mark Rabonowitz and Michael Ruppert, saw what was emerging. Unfortunately, the diversion created by promoting silly theories has bought the elite enough time to slowly put the apparatus of fascism in place. If people had been aware of the real reasons behind 9/11 they would have had a much better understanding of how to protest effectively because they would have realised EVERYONE was going to be hit.
Instead, people have lapped up the fucking stupid stories about cackling dudes at Bohemian Grove and other irrelevancies. If people had realised it was all about energy crises it might have been possible to get cohesive action off the ground. Sadly, the pysops to fragment the "troof" movement into little factions, some of which were designed to be utterly ridiculous and thus discredited, has worked beautifully.
Operation Mockingbird worked a treat to fragment people and to confuse them as to the real reasons for 9/11. Those reasons weren't about the illoooominaaateee, secret signs of satanic worship or pentagrams. They were rather more mundane.
Too late. I cite as evidence for my rather emphatic statements the text of the OP. Binary thinking is sometimes unwise. Conversely, ruling out binary thinking on every occasion is itself binary thinking. This is one issue where the answer is very, very simple. It is cause and effect.
Too late. _________________ On behalf of the future, I ask you of the past to leave us alone. You are not welcome among us. You have no sovereignty where we gather.
John Perry Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace |
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Joe Hillshoist
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| 11:11 wrote: |
What is ASIO?
When they use commonwealth countries as a model, it's to UNDERMINE the constitution. |
How so?
Anyway ASIO stands for Australian Security Intelligence Oganisation.
Its our major alphabet spook org.
| Quote: | | Joe I thought it was the federal coppers that organised the Hilton bombs?? | - HH
I thought it was ASIO.
According to terry griffiths, and his lawyer, Barry Hall QC (not that Barry Hall), ASIO planted the bomb in a garbage bin outside the hotel and were supposed to find it, and hence justify their existance.
http://www.abc.net.au/gnt/history/Transcripts/s1202891.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Hilton_bombing
However garbage men emptied the bin into a garbage truck, where itr subsequently exploded. Griffith was a copper, federal I think, who was injured by the explosion. That may be where you got the federal police involvement idea, tho i think they may have been in on it, just not responsible.
A mate of mine shared a cell with Tim Anderson, one of the members of Ananda Marga convicted then pardoned for his involvement in the bombing. He reckons Anderson taught him Yoga. |
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11:11
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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How so?
Because everything that's going wrong here, and everything that's being shoved down our throats, is a mirror of the UK. Hate speech, thought control, CCTV cameras, celebrity driven media, phoney multiculturalism, the nanny state, gun conrol, establishing special schools Muslims and Jews (Nwe York and Florida), attacking holidays that might be "offensive" to anyone, the obsession with "terrorism". The NYC Mayor, Bluemberg (sp) went to to London to get the scoop on how to make NYC an Orwellian electronic spy grid. It's all Tavistock social engineering and control, designed by British race patriots. It's all antithetical to our constitution, which We the People are fighting to restore, and our government is working to destroy.
Didn't people in Oz know that Port Arthur was an engineered event to take guns from Aussies? |
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Joe Hillshoist
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| 11:11 wrote: | How so?
Because everything that's going wrong here, and everything that's being shoved down our throats, is a mirror of the UK. Hate speech, thought control, CCTV cameras, celebrity driven media, phoney multiculturalism, the nanny state, gun conrol, establishing special schools Muslims and Jews (Nwe York and Florida), attacking holidays that might be "offensive" to anyone, the obsession with "terrorism". The NYC Mayor, Bluemberg (sp) went to to London to get the scoop on how to make NYC an Orwellian electronic spy grid. It's all Tavistock social engineering and control, designed by British race patriots. It's all antithetical to our constitution, which We the People are fighting to restore, and our government is working to destroy.
Didn't people in Oz know that Port Arthur was an engineered event to take guns from Aussies? |
Okaaayyyy
(Backs away slowly.) |
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chillin
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| 11:11 wrote: | | ...establishing special schools Muslims and Jews ... |
I don't see anything ominous about that, Catholics have had their own school systems for ages. As for the rest of it, ya the world is changing but if anyone thinks they know what it'll look like in 5 years, odds are they're full of shit. Don't panic, bring a towel. =) |
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Luposapien
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | HOMEGROWN TERRORISM- The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. |
Well, it's official. The police are terrorists. According to the House, at any rate. Guess we'll have to wait and see how many in the Senate will go for it (I can picture Mr. Bush anxiously pacing, pen in hand and, waiting for it to cross his desk).
So, for the record, just so nobody's confused about it, I'm a pacifist (and I really don't look good in orange and black).
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