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i911 is Coming and so is the iPatriot Act

 
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elfismiles



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:12 pm    Post subject: i911 is Coming and so is the iPatriot Act Reply with quote

What possible internet / electronic network event could be big enough to equate to 911? Hospital electricity cutoff by hackers killing 3000 people?

Law Professor: Counter Terrorism Czar Told Me There Is Going To Be An i-9/11 And An i-Patriot Act

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Amazing revelations have emerged concerning already existing government plans to overhaul the way the internet functions in order to apply much greater restrictions and control over the web.

Lawrence Lessig, a respected Law Professor from Stanford University told an audience at this years Fortune’s Brainstorm Tech conference in Half Moon Bay, California, that “There’s going to be an i-9/11 event” which will act as a catalyst for a radical reworking of the law pertaining to the internet.

Lessig also revealed that he had learned, during a dinner with former government Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke, that there is already in existence a cyber equivalent of the Patriot Act, an “i-Patriot Act” if you will, and that the Justice Department is waiting for a cyber terrorism event in order to implement its provisions.

http://www.infowars.com/?p=3753
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is some scary stuff... as much as we moan about the time-wasting on the Net, I still think it is the one of the greatest accomplishments of all time.

Here's the video.. relevant bit at about 4:50 or so
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And we're all going to die too!

Here at RI every day is the end of the world, and anything and everything bad that can happen will happen.

I wonder how many of the doomy, gloomy scenarios mentioned here in the last few years have actually come to pass?

Gotta' go, the sky is falling.
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elfismiles



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H_C_E wrote:
And we're all going to die too!

Here at RI every day is the end of the world, and anything and everything bad that can happen will happen.

I wonder how many of the doomy, gloomy scenarios mentioned here in the last few years have actually come to pass?

Gotta' go, the sky is falling.


Yeah, and you and I both keeping coming back for more apparently.

So let's start a thread and quantify RI's predictive value.

How many things have been talked about here before they FINALLY hit the mainstream and transition from paranoid conspiracy theory to msm facts?

There is undoubtedly a high signal to noise ratio but we still come out ahead in many instances.

What damn good it does us I don't know....
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Lessig is not one known to make wild, hyperbolic statements, and so that's why this sort of makes me stand up and notice. Still, it *is* hard to imagine something happening on the Internet that is on the scale of 911. Obviously his statement isn't coming from a 911 truth perspective, but one wonders if he has some doubts about the official story...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

counter to H_C_E's dismissive response i think this is really important and one of the most likely events of the next couple of years,
theres no doubt that managing perceptions is essential to keeping control,
the internet is the biggest threat to that in a long time

if i were very powerful and my singular mission was to maintain my position and wealth and the order that allowed it,
i would consider the internet unacceptable in its current form

and as with all these things a horrific event would be needed to justify it

so i say, as much as possible, save articles, books, images, and dicussions on your hard drive, suck up as much info and knowledge as you can while you can
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

H_C_E wrote:
And we're all going to die too!

Here at RI every day is the end of the world, and anything and everything bad that can happen will happen.

I wonder how many of the doomy, gloomy scenarios mentioned here in the last few years have actually come to pass?

Gotta' go, the sky is falling.


Of course they have this crap waiting in the wings. To suggest otherwise is counter-factual. For Christ's sake, the Pentagon has multiple Canadian invasion contingency plans, ready should the Soviets or Chinese ever invade Canada. That's just the way they operate. Write the policy now, use it later. What else will all those civil servants do? They can't play solitaire all the time. Hey, you got a couple extra bucks in your FEMA budget? Build an "internment" camp just in case even if you never plan to use it, then let the whackos on the internet worry about it.

The good news is that the gov't and especially the judiciary are so techno-retarded that their approach will inevitably be ham-fisted.
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H_C_E



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, and you and I both keeping coming back for more apparently.

So let's start a thread and quantify RI's predictive value.

How many things have been talked about here before they FINALLY hit the mainstream and transition from paranoid conspiracy theory to msm facts?

There is undoubtedly a high signal to noise ratio but we still come out ahead in many instances.

What damn good it does us I don't know....


I think I keep coming back for 1) the really solid useful information that can be found here and 2) it helps me keep my BS detection skills sharp.

But I think your idea about quantifying RI's predictive value is a great one. How would we go about this? I'm fascinated by the possible results.
I've been around this site for some time now (well before I registered)
and I've seen a huge amount of inane and insane crapola go around this forum. And the sheer number of true believers never fails to test MY credulity.

HCE
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the sorts of "setups" we have already seen by these people i'm not sure why anybody would doubt that its more probable than simply possible. I really don't believe that it would take a "true" catastrophe for them to impose any regulations they truly desire.

A smaller event could be falsely construed to be more prevelant than it truly is to lay the foundation.

Quite often simply "defining" something as dangerous is all it takes.

"power perceived is power achieved"



As far as whether many of the strange or doomy things discussed on this board ever come true...I have been surprised by the number of them that have come true. A lot of ground breaking things have happened in the last ten years, and it blows my mind how much of it I saw discussed here first.
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