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8bitagent



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:44 pm    Post subject: This "Birther" Thing Has Gone To Far Reply with quote

Remember when Obama said it's "silly season" during the 08 Presidential campaign? Well folks, it's silly season alright...and it feels extremely ripe for a dangerous time period. As in, shark attack/missing intern dangerous.

There's TWO big stories that are dominating the news:
The Obama "Birther" (certificate) movement
AND
Gates/Crowley Cambridge Mass. incident.

Hardly anything is being talked about besides this.
Now youd THINK the Republicans would be talking about LEGITIMITE reasons to criticize Obama...noooooooooo...

For a week now the mass media and blogosphere has replaced Michael Jackson obsession with "Birther" obsession, and obvious take on "9/11 Truther". But unlike the questioning of the official 9/11 narrative,
the "Birther" movement has reached a fever pitch crescendo with virtually every right winger online, on radio, on tv and even capital hill selling this pack of lies.

The theory? Obama is not an American citizen and was born in Kenya, thus invalidating his presidency and making him an illegal alien...because, a darky foreign CAN'T be president in the eyes of a large part of AmeriDUH. See folks...

Obama used a time machine to plant a 1961 Hawaii Newspaper
birth announcement and a fake birth certificate, hiding the fact...he was really born in Kenya! *cue maniacal laughter*

The SAME right wing that has gone out of their way to demonize "conspiracy nuts" who question 9/11, the war's origins and Bush's elections are now aggressively pushing the most laughably debunked conspiracy meme imaginable

Whats WORSE, is that the left is conflating birthers with questioning 9/11, calling people like myself dangerous nuts


Here you can see what seems like a smart guy going apeshit over
BOTH "birthers" and everyone questioning 9/11
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/why-the-birthers-matter_b_243647.html

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However, the belief in vast conspiracy theories can also be hugely damaging as it distracts people from real issues and keeps them focused on exciting fantasies that make them feel important. The 9/11 truth movement was enormously helpful to the Bush Administration as it provided a giant distraction from the colossal crimes they committed in Iraq and Afghanistan. If their energies had been directed in a positive way, there's a good chance Bush would have been impeached and Dick Cheney thrown in jail. Alas, the 9/11 truth movement dedicated its time to proving the U.S government tried to kill thousands of its own people in exchange for gold/political power.


He goes on to say in THIS article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-cohen/my-argument-with-the-911_b_245788.html

Any alternative to the official account of what happened is so absurd it simply cannot be true.
(sadly, Ive found this is what a LOT of the liberals in America believe, and therefore Afghanistan=justified war)

Call me Hugh Manatee Jr, but Im starting to wonder...

If the PTB in this slow summer news cycle have created this "Birther" meme to once and for all shut down and completely wipe out the 9/11 Truther contingent? Conflating an obviously laughable meme with people who have legitimate questions over 9/11(Not every "truther" believes Bush blew up the towers)


EVEN ALEX JONES is now heavily promoting the Birther hoax crap, so you know its gone "super nova". Alex Jones, failing to get everyone on board with "9/11 inside job" is now latching onto the "Birther" movement.

But...we ALSO have the OTHER big much ado about nada:
Gates/Crowley, with Obama at the center.

Birthers, Gates/Crowley...get it?

All we need to hear about is shark attacks and missing interns, and I just may go on vacation for a little while on a tropical island...or New Zealand.

Dangerous times I feel, storm before the calm...and I bet the elite is just ITCHING to start a race war in America or chaos/martial law/police state/new wars after some sort of massive traumatic event and financial collapse.

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Nordic



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's just the corportocracy going into Distraction Mode in a big big way to avoid talking about the mass looting of our money by Wall Street and the Federal Reserve, and about reforming health care.

Just Business As Usual for the corporotocracy.

Why are you watching this stuff? Just turn it off.

They can't milk Michael Jackson very much more, so they've moved on to new "stories".
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon the folks over at SPLC agree with you

SPLC President Calls on CNN to Remove Lou Dobbs from Air, Cites Newsman's Support for Extremist-Inspired 'Birther' Claims

The following is a letter from SPLC President Richard Cohen to CNN President Jonathan Klein.

July 24, 2009

Jonathan Klein
President
CNN/U.S.
1 Time Warner Center
New York, N.Y. 10019-6038

Dear Mr. Klein,

As an important and respected news organization, CNN has a special responsibility to ensure the accuracy of its reporting. We have written to you before about our concern that Lou Dobbs repeatedly fails to live up to this standard in his reporting on immigration. Now, Mr. Dobbs is again trading in falsehoods and racist conspiracy theories, questioning President Obama's American citizenship.

On the July 15 edition of "Lou Dobbs Tonight," Mr. Dobbs questioned the official certificate provided by the president and the State of Hawaii and complained that President Obama has not made public the "original document." On his radio program, Mr. Dobbs has repeatedly questioned the president's fitness for office, demanding he "show the documents" and, at one point, jokingly suggesting President Obama may be "undocumented."

The truth about the president's birth is not in dispute. It has been verified by Factcheck.org, among many other serious news organizations, and his official birth documents have been made public. CNN itself has repeatedly reported on the falsity of the claims of the "birthers," and the network's esteemed legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin, recently called those claims "a joke." As you know, even Mr. Dobbs' frequent fill-in anchor, Kitty Pilgrim, debunked the birthers on the July 17 edition of Mr. Dobbs' own CNN show. The fact that Mr. Dobbs suggests otherwise on CNN — while real CNN reporters tell the truth — is both deplorable and an embarrassment to all serious journalists.

As he has in several other instances, Mr. Dobbs, in taking up the birthers' claims, is adopting an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that originated on the radical racist right. As Gawker.com has reported, this particular conspiracy theory was first developed by an open anti-Semite and circulated by right-wing extremists who cannot accept the fact that a black man has been elected president of the United States. Among its adherents was neo-Nazi James von Brunn, the alleged murderer of a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington, D.C., this June. Von Brunn had helped spread the birthers' claims on the Internet and attacked the "dishonest & conspiratorial Media" for not taking them up.

This is not the first time Mr. Dobbs has pushed racist conspiracy theories or defamatory falsehoods about immigrants. We wrote you in 2007 to bring to your attention his utterly false claim that 7,000 new cases of leprosy had appeared in the United States in a recent three-year period, due at least in part to immigrants. (The real number, according to official statistics, was about 400. Mr. Dobbs took his spurious information from the late right-wing extremist, Madeleine Cosman.) In addition, Mr. Dobbs has reported as fact the so-called Aztlan conspiracy, which claims that undocumented Mexican immigrants are part of a plot to "reconquer" the American Southwest. He has suggested there is something to a related conspiracy theory that claims the governments of Mexico, the United States and Canada are secretly planning to merge into the "North American Union." He has falsely claimed that "illegal aliens" fill one third of American prison and jail cells. And Mr. Dobbs has routinely disparaged, on CNN's air, those who have had the integrity to point out the falsity of these and similar claims.

Respectable news organizations should not employ reporters willing to peddle racist conspiracy theories and false propaganda. It's time for CNN to remove Mr. Dobbs from the airwaves.

Sincerely,
J. Richard Cohen
President
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually had thought Alex Jones was smarter than to go into this birther BS. As far as I'm concerned he's just moved from the possibly-good pile into the problem pile. too bad, I kinda liked his shtick with the bullhorn once upon a time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justdrew wrote:
I actually had thought Alex Jones was smarter than to go into this birther BS. As far as I'm concerned he's just moved from the possibly-good pile into the problem pile. too bad, I kinda liked his shtick with the bullhorn once upon a time.

It confirms his theory that the globalists want to remove the natural born citizen requirement for becoming president so that Arnold Schwarzenegger can take over the United States (as their puppet of course). At least he isn't as crazy as "Crazy Eileen", the reluctant Joe the Plumber of the Birther Movement. I'm sure Obama and the Democrats love this.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I actually had thought Alex Jones was smarter than

That's your mistake right there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orz wrote:
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I actually had thought Alex Jones was smarter than

That's your mistake right there.


ha. yeah, yeah it was.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

orz wrote:
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I actually had thought Alex Jones was smarter than

That's your mistake right there.


Yeah, lately I've seen the guy at Cryptogon posting from Prisonplanet. Ugh. I wish he wouldn't do that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, 9/11 did a lot of things, including providing major cover for the Bush/Cheney cabal as far as their conspiring with Enron to rip off just about everybody, including extorting the State of California for huge bucks AND stage a coup in the Governor's office.

All these things, if you look into them now, are just enormously criminal, a grand conspiracy beyond a shadow of ANY doubt! Yet they were just immediately forgotten when those buildings fell down.

And the cabal moved onto even greater crimes.

Amazing.

They capped the eight years off with Paulson's raping of the treasury.

And Americans just sit back and take it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nordic wrote:
orz wrote:
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I actually had thought Alex Jones was smarter than

That's your mistake right there.


Yeah, lately I've seen the guy at Cryptogon posting from Prisonplanet. Ugh. I wish he wouldn't do that.


I'm starting to wonder about that guy, the recent eestor story looked like possible stock pumping, but maybe not.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, (and not really on-topic, I'll admit, sorry)
but I was cured of Alex Jones when he had Kevin Trudeau on and pretty much French-kissed him out of the pure joy of finding out Kevin was quote, "a semi-regular listener"

I was really enjoying Alex up till that point.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just saw this Chris Matthews special last night. The guy devoted so much time to discussing the theory that Obama was some sort of manchurian candidate, with a fake birth advertisement placed into a 1961 newspaper. I mean wtf?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y84vLIwQRhM

Of course they go on to say that people who question 9/11, talk about bilderberg or one world order stuff are the ones promoting the birther stuff. The the whole notion of "conspiracy theory" has really taken foot, JUST like when the BBC recently had a special going on and on and on with how "7/7 theories are destroying the fabric of the UK"

Not that the mainstream news ever talked about key core issues, but my goodness...wtf? Devoting so much time to going over 'hanging chad' like menutia detail ad nauseum. Is this really what the mainstream news has come down to?

Yet notice how the media wouldnt give the time or day to do any real investigating into JFK/RFK/MLK, 9/11, etc.

Nordic wrote:
Well, 9/11 did a lot of things, including providing major cover for the Bush/Cheney cabal as far as their conspiring with Enron to rip off just about everybody, including extorting the State of California for huge bucks AND stage a coup in the Governor's office.


Also notice how 9/11 pretty much neutered the very loud and organized anti globalization(IMF, WB, WTO, etc) left activism in America which by the end of Clinton's term began to really go after the "NWO" in a way the "patriot Christian" movement didnt in the 90's.

Now, 8 years later, a majority of so called "Anti Bush-anti war" liberals STILL fiercely believe the official 9/11 story and defend the war in Afghanistan
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say that the latest official statement by the Hawaian officials is much clearer than the one they made a few months ago. Now, on top of confirming that they have seen the documents, they confirm that he was born in Hawaii, something they stayed away from in their initial statements.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe Cannon at Why the Obots need the birthers:

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If the birth certificate controversy had not existed, Obama's supporters would have had to invent it. The main pro-Obama sites fixate on the birthers because otherwise the bots would be forced to defend their Messiah's record.

Which ain't none too good, overall.

I must admit that he has done some excellent things. I'll name ten.

1. He has lifted some very silly restrictions on stem-cell research.

2. Obama signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act.

3. He has ended restrictions on providing funds to pro-abortion family planning groups

4. He has extended federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees.

5. The administration has substantially reversed Bush's war on the unions.

6. He has expanded hate crime laws to cover gays.

7. He has agreed (in principle, at least) to reduce the nuclear stockpile.

8. Sotomayor was a decent choice. I think.

9. America's standing in the world has improved.

10. Obama seems to be inching toward a more balanced stance on the Israeli/Palestinian issue.

But when we turn our attention to the larger issues -- the issues that everyone was talking about during the campaign -- Obama has compiled a troubling record. I'll name 21 issues.

1. He has sent more troops to Afghanistan. What we need is an exit.

2. He has instituted a massive economic stimulus program that has provided little true stimulus. Unemployment remains horrible -- far worse than his economic team had predicted. Governor Phil Bredesen of Tennessee, one of the few remaining true Democrats, is directing money toward the creation of a new WPA, albeit on a very limited scale. Why isn't Obama doing the same thing nationwide?

3. The TARP funds were supposed to keep the credit markets alive. Well?

4. We've seen no true re-regulation of Wall Street. No way the O-team will regulate High-Frequency trading. (If he would tax stock transactions as other countries do, our problems would be solved.)

5. The perpetrators of the financial meltdown should have been tossed into the pokey. Instead, they continue to make obscene profits.

6. The insolvent banks should have been put into receivership. They weren't. We now have corporate socialism -- or maybe "gambler's insurance" -- for the too-big-to-fail banks. If things go well, the fat cats get fatter. If things go poorly, you cover their bets.

7. There was no real help for people suffering from foreclosure. Obama's much-ballyhooed plan failed.

8. Larry Summers and Tim Geithner. What more do I need to say?

9. Everyone now pretty much has to admit that Obama utterly screwed up health care reform by taking single payer off the table. His current plan amounts to a hand-out to the insurance racketeers.

10. Obama proved to be as bad as Bush on the question of government transparency. Maybe even worse. He has broken his promise to post bills online for five days before signing them.

11. Closing the Gitmo gulag keeps getting pushed off into the future.

12. The Obama administration has expanded upon Bush's reliance on the "state secrets" privilege.

13. He has squelched evidence detailing rape and abuse of detainees.

14. FISA. Again, what more do I need to say?

15. Credit card reform did some good things, but did not address the real issues.

16. The Patriot Act has been worsened.

17. We're still in Iraq. In fact, we're going to be there another decade.

18. The military is being expanded and the Pentagon's budget raised, even though no other nation directly threatens us at present.

19. Obama is continuing Bush's "faith-based" initiatives.

20. He is rattling sabers at Iran.

21. Signing statements. Just like Dubya.

One could go on, but the point is made. The Obots need the birthers for the same reason a dental patient in the 1700s needed whiskey. You always need something to take your mind off the pain.
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