The Revolution Will Not Be Webcast discussion

by **dugoboy** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:55 pm

this is a thread discussing jeff's recent post <a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2006/06/revolution-will-not-be-webcast.html" target="top">The Revolution Will Not Be Webcast</a>: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>America is a free-speech zone, and Americans remain fenced within it so long as they mistake risk-averse expression with direct yet non-violent action. It's the difference between shouting slogans on a sunny afternoon and Tiananmen Square. And so much of the ineffectual sloganeering now takes place only in the cocooned and virtual America, where the empire obligingly hosts its chat rooms of dissent for political deviants. It has no worries, so long as everyone keeps talking.<hr></blockquote> yep, thats why i think its a good sign with these 911 conferences going on. we are finally moving beyond virtual into the real manifest world. there was one in chicago this past weekend and alex jones' conference in LA in 2 weeks. you can't tell me this isn't good news. the prevailing thought that seemed to eminate after the chicago conference is how 9/11 can be the event that exposes the entire game. every facet must be understood of 9/11 obviously, but by looking at 9/11 as just one of a long series events of a bunch people consolidating power you begin to see things as they really are. saying that, i do wish someone else would take the wheel other than alex jones, we have to depend on ourselves. we really are at end game here, the PTB aren't going to just one day say 'OK, we give in'. so we really need to look at ourselves and decide are we going to continue to fight or not. if not, i would say get as far away as you need to then. but if you are going to stick it out then you better start acting and doing what you fight for. it means carrying the conversation you have here out into the real world, beyond this wonderful virtual world. it means confronting the (i don't want to use derogatory language anymore) citizenry of this country, starting with those closest to you, with the truth. it means making flyers, talking, getting involved in local politics. i have often wondered if maybe we shouldn't have such and broad unrealistic goal like speaking to millions at a time, which we can't, thats the mass media's job. instead, maybe we should focus on those who trust you already. nobody trusts the mainstream media. we should also try to refrain from using obtuse and silly demonstrative words like 'new world order', 'military industrial complex', 'nazi's', or 'illuminati'. but back to the idea of local before global, this is exactly what the PTB have done for centuries. we are all just now finally catching on to it. 10 years ago the movie 'conspiracy theory' came out and most laughed their heads off over it. what if now 10 years later they learn much of what they scorned as whackjob conspiracy theorists are actually conspiracy factualists. people know some wierd shit is going on and now, more than ever, they are receptive to the truth. so we have to gain some courage to withstand the tiniest bit of criticism and start talking about this with everyday people. go watch the movie 'gladiator' guys. the scene where marcus aurelius faces the evil emperor is priceless. i was listening to the alex jones show today (he has jack blood filling in for him while he's in canada) and he called in for 20 minutes detailing his encounter with the canadian border police and what the bilderberg conference was discussing. they are having a huge division on whether to attack iran or not and how to initiate the idea of a pan-north american union (which will inevitably weaken the entire continent for further exploitation) and a world tax on oil. shits happening, time we get moving. ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George OrwellEdited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 6/9/06 5:44 pm

by **dugoboy** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:09 pm

i find this song inspirational: <a href="http://www.darklyrics.com/lyrics/killswitchengage/aliveorjustbreathing.html#2" target="top">Killswitch Engage - "Self Revolution"</a> I can't comprehend society's movement The regression of human existence This is the quest of life Fulfill your destiny! Slow down the fast paced world And you will see past the illusion! Breaking the foundation Collapse the control Building a revolution to heal nations It starts within you Slow down the fast paced world And you will see past the illusion! Breaking the foundation Collapse the control Building a revolution to heal nations It starts within you In this search for I & I, the truth is always deep inside (reversal of oneself finding the truth) This is the quest of life We must find the strength for a new movement Slow down this fast paced world and you will see the revolution For a new movement In this search for I & I, the truth is always deep inside (reversal of oneself finding the truth) Slow down this fast paced world and you will see the revolution For a new movement ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell

by **CyberChrist** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:14 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>but if you are going to stick it out then you better start acting and doing what you fight for. it means carrying the conversation you have here out into the real world, beyond this wonderful virtual world. it means confronting the (i don't want to use derogatory language anymore) citizenry of this country, starting with those closest to you, with the truth. it means making flyers, talking, getting involved in local politics.<hr></blockquote> Exactly. The Internet is a great medium and it has raised a lot of awareness and helped reach a lot of people, but instead of raising awareness, maybe it's time to raise our voices and ultimately raise our fists. Freedom isn't free. -- CyberChrist http://www.hackerjournal.org My brain is hung like a horse.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:22 pm

Nicely put, dugoboy. There's not enough of that, certainly not from me. Awareness just becomes decadent self-indulgence at a certain point, if nothing is done with it.

by **sunny** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 10:42 pm

Did any of you guys see the Yearly Kos Plame panel on C-SPan 2 today? Just talk, but it brought a lot of "subversive" talk to a mainstream audience; meaning sustained and very harsh criticism of the corporate media and this criminal administration. One questioner asked if there were any limits to what this administration might do to avoid prison time for treason! The answer from Christy Hardin Smith from FDL? An emphatic NO! It's a start.

by **pugzleyca3** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:27 pm

When talking to people in the real world about the problems we have, the Patriot Act and an outline of what a power grab it is, how it guts the Constitution and the Bill of rights is always a good starting point. You can't be branded a wild eyed conspiracy theorist on this point because it is a real bill, which passed through Congress and was signed onto by the president. I usually pepper my discussion of it with seeds of how if it hadn't been for 9/11, this bill would never have been passed, how no one read the bill before it was passed (now that really ticks people off) and if there is a computer nearby, show them a film of how building number 7 collapsed. What I find is that many people are only vaguely aware of bldg. 7 and are quite shocked when they see it again and they usually comment on how they knew it, but had forgotten because it was buried shortly after in the news. Toss in the NSA spying debacle and how much the Iraq war is costing us and I usually am able to start people looking into politics with new interest. Telling them about the bankruptcy bill which favors ccard companies has a way of making people sit up and take notice, too. I have run into maybe 2 Bush supporters in the past year. Much less than before. Some people will never believe 9/11 is an inside job, no matter how much "evidence" you put in front of them. There are enough other issues that enrage people that it isn't always necessary to even bring that up. People are waking up, they talk about this at the grocery store, in restaurants, the water guy who delivers water and the Rotorooter man brought it up to ME. My neice told me people mention it to her at work and my sister went to HomeDepot and some guy who works there gave her In Plane Sight to take home and watch! He brought it up to her and everyone in the store was talking about it. Things are shifting.

by **NewKid** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:44 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>People are waking up, they talk about this at the grocery store, in restaurants, the water guy who delivers water and the Rotorooter man brought it up to ME.<hr></blockquote> Now I'd love to hear how that conversation went. Did he see a video in your house or something?

by **pugzleyca3** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:07 am

"Now I'd love to hear how that conversation went. Did he see a video in your house or something?" No, the water guy started talking about how he used to listen to Rush Limbaugh all the time and how he was so supportive of Bush, but not anymore and he was on the net looking at 9/11 info. And the Rotorooter guy started telling me how his uncle worked at Lockheed, supposedly was a big shot there (retired now) and started talking about how they have developed things that people wouldn't even believe they had if they were told about them. He said "New World Order" and the conversation took off from there.

by **wintler** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:11 am

Netizens have done a hell of a job compiling evidence, even if a proportion is bogus, so sticks aplenty await willing hands. Gotta remember the carrots too, simple and universal goals that help focus agitation, just for eg. -treason trials for decision makers going to war on false intelligence -Rep. accountability - if you're elected or otherwise on the public purse and you lie, cheat, or steal, you are forever out and probably go to jail. -complete transperancy of government and of affairs of Reps. -super-powered inquiries & prosecutions in human trafficking, porn, and sex trade. -reversal of rights of corporations precedents. Ending the Coalition of the Insane invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan has to be a priority too, but i hear its very divisive in US. Here in Aus. nobody talks about it except, occasionally, pollies & the media. I'd welcome brief lists of what goals others agree on. The new Right hasn't spent hundreds of millions on developing agendas and being on message for nothing.

by **yesferatu** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:20 am

<< And so much of the ineffectual sloganeering now takes place only in the cocooned and virtual America, where the empire obligingly hosts its chat rooms of dissent for political deviants. It has no worries, so long as everyone keeps talking.>> Well, Jeff put into words what I felt upon reading the Wired article which I posted a couple weeks back....why fighting fascism is a pipe dream in a techno-crazy society. The Empire obligingly hosts us. I feel sick.

by **pugzleyca3** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:27 am

"I feel sick." We all do at times. It's hard not to just give up and let them have it when I feel like that and some days I guess I do, when I run out of hope and energy. But somehow, I always manage to recharge my batteries and go at it again. Losing hope is the last thing we want to do, without it, we're dead.

by **sunny** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:37 am

What will it take? As Jeff said, not a sunny afternoon protest, no-Bodies will have to be put on the line, ala Tiananmen Square-non-violent civil disobedience. Screw those polite, stage managed, boring A.N.S.W.E.R. slogan-fests. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Just ask MLK. Oh. You can't. Because he put his body on the line. How many, in fat, semi-happy America, would be willing to do that? They kill people who really try to make a difference, but it didn't stop people who made a difference.

by **pugzleyca3** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:45 am

Is it more of a question of what will it take or how to do it? Even though the net is a way to sit back and bitch and not really have to do anything, I've noticed a shift in the postings on blogs in the past few months from just outrage to calling for revolution. Maybe it's all just blog talk, but the conversation sure seems to have taken a turn lately. Easy way to keep track of what people are thinking, the net. Isn't it? When I think of "them", I think of a bunch of criminals sitting in their ivory towers of Washington DC, thousands of miles away from me. They seem so untouchable. Someone had posted on here, I don't remember who it was, but they said something to the effect that the reason we don't have mass protests against the war in Iraq is because there is no draft. It's hard to protest when the military is all voluntary, I certainly have to agree with that up to a point. But, I know we were lied into that war. So do many others, without hearings on this issue, most people don't know what to think? Is this what's wrong? Same thing with the NSA spying? No hearing? I just don't know.

by **yesferatu** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:18 am

<<I've noticed a shift in the postings on blogs in the past few months from just outrage to calling for revolution.>> That was a weird little synchronicity. I read some comments at rawstory in response to this WaPo article, specifically this: <<Another part of the Specter bill would grant blanket amnesty to anyone who authorized warrantless surveillance under presidential authority, a provision that seems to ensure that no one would be held criminally liable if the current program is found illegal under present law.>> <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...nt/article</a> I went back to find it for this post, but it is off rawstory....and not in its archives (strange). I wanted to go to the comments to pull one that was posted just this afternoon where the poster, in response and reaction to this story, called for revolution, and he/she commented they fully expect to die in the revolution. As for the comment...okay, so it was just one comment on one blog. But I just found it interesting to read what you say you are noticing, and what I read today. Magic Bullet Specter is a huge cog in the cabal. This is blatant what he did today. They are simply flipping us off and could give a shit that we have noticed.

by **pugzleyca3** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:33 am

I have seen it many times lately in different places. Kind of surprised me that people had the guts to say it on the internet knowing how the government loves spying on us these days. Or maybe they still think they are anonymous. ha. Specter is and has been "one of them" forever. Funny how people managed to forget about that magic bullet thing, isn't it? He's a very dangerous man to have in charge of this issue, as you can see with what he is doing. We're sunk on that issue if he's all we got. He's a traitor.

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