Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video)

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Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video)

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:06 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2890538484984018160&q=Hugo+Chavez">Five minute Google video here.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Also, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4991354545733857055&q=Hugo+Chavez">Greg Palast reports from Venezuela.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Jul 04, 2006 3:03 pm

Thanks Jeff, but was that really in London? I doubt so many of us ignorant Englanders could have understood without the subtitles. Or be cheering if we did.<br><br>Chavez is the new Che, where can I get the T-shirt? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:44 pm

The lack of simultaneous translation surprised me. I hope that means most of the crowd didn't need it.<br><br>About it being London, yeah, I'm pretty sure. That looked like Ken Livingstone sitting at his left. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:50 pm

Red Ken? Really? I'll have to watch it again.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:54 pm

Yeah that's our Ken. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video

Postby friend catcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:57 pm

It was London, counterpunch published a transcript.<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/chavez05172006.html">www.counterpunch.org/chavez05172006.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> Held at the Camden centre in N.London. My friend Juan attended and said it was a bit celebrity heavy,<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/venezuela/story/0,,1774993,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/venezu...93,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez in London on socialism, Iraq and terrorism (video

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:00 pm

But I have seen nothing in the UK news about his visit here.. did he? why no press? Why no rabid headlines from the Sun?<br><br>Usually the media would come down on him as if he Saddam/Stalin/ Pol Pot with a clever turn of phrase. I don't read the tabloids or watch TV but can't help hearing the shit they churn out.<br><br>Must've been a low key visit. <p></p><i></i>
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re:chavez

Postby friend catcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:25 pm

You must have been busy, he was all over the 'liberal'press getting a pasting and endless smears.Corbyn took him over to see Brian Haw and have tea in the commons. Dennis McShane MP had a pop at him in the guardian and got pasted in the comments that followed. Medialens probably has some of the info somewhere. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:chavez

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Tue Jul 04, 2006 5:42 pm

friend I have a vague recollection of Chavez not having time to see Haw (unusual for a politician i thought <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> (Pun, do I have to point it out?) If he doesn't speak english I don't soppose our journos understand him. Hence no mainstream major slagoffs. If you can post a few links I'd be most grateful but I'll have to check em out tomorrow cos it's almost bedtime..<br><br>clue me in, as the bard said <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:chavez

Postby friend catcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 6:06 pm

These two 'media alerts' give a reasonable summary of the smear jobs. My posting rights at ML got withdrawn for not being the right sort otherwise I'd put a request for sources. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.medialens.org/alerts/06/060516_ridiculing_chavez_the.php">www.medialens.org/alerts/...ez_the.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.medialens.org/alerts/06/060518_ridiculing_chavez_the.php">www.medialens.org/alerts/...ez_the.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Alo El Presidente! posted by lenin<br><br>You've got to love Chavez. He comes to London, much maligned, calls Bush a terrorist, promises cheap oil for poor Europeans, tells an ITN journalist not to be so stupid (for asking why he didn't meet Blair), supports Brian Haw, converts the FT to some befuddled racial theory about Latinos, quotes Rosa Luxemburg, forces the BBC to cave in through a network of Chavistaz and has dinner with Ken Livingstone - all without being shot.<br><br>Here's Livingstone interviewed about it on Radio 4. Here's Pilger on the topic, and here's a very biased segment on Jeremy Vine's show in which Vine carefully manages the show on behalf of the coup advocate and multifarious blogger, Aleksander Boyd, "calling from Millbank", against the criticisms of John Rees. Mr Boyd, who has been given plenty of space in The Times and elsewhere to explain his crackpot views, wonders how "democracy can be protected from itself", and concludes "violence is the only recourse left". Not on the radio segment, of course - he's a better PR man for the oligarchy than that. Here. Likewise, coup supporter Maria Corina Machado. Time was, supporters of the Nicaraguan death squads were being puffed by the US as democracy activists. How Washington must yearn for those days...<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=friendcatcher>friend catcher</A> at: 7/4/06 4:22 pm<br></i>
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Re: re:chavez

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Jul 05, 2006 2:09 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You see the vehicles: in more than 90 percent you see one person, the one driving, one person occupying a space of three meters by two, this is something stupid, eh! This is capitalism, the extreme individualism. One can see the people that go driving at a turtle's pace, stopping constantly, they listen to music, and take two or three hours to go a distance of five kilometers, which they could walk in 20 minutes, in half an hour, or on bicycle, or on the bus, or the subway, or the streetcar; but no, everyone wants to have their own car, well, a car for everyone, our planet cannot support this, brothers.<br><br>This model, the so called American way of life, the extreme capitalism, is not sustainable, life on this planet will come to an end if we continue down this road, that is why we are motivated to seek socialism and abandon capitalism, the individualism, the selfish consumerism, the so called destructive development that is destroying this planet, we are all in danger, and not so much us, our children and grandchildren!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>only an evil dictator could think like.<br><br>After all our proper western democratic politicians only think ahead to the next election.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:chavez

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:05 pm

Thanks Friend, those links give a great overview. I don't get time to read the MSM much but do remember Chavez was accused of snubbing Blair. How's that when Blair never invited him? Who snubbed who?<br><br>Thank you too Joe for that excellent quote. I hate them glorified wheelcairs everyone seems to depend on and have you noticed how how they get bigger as the price of fuel gets higher? As though the drivers are saying "I can afford this." As I commented to a mate when he pointed out an excessively jacked up monster pick-up. "Where you see a guy with a very big truck I see a guy with a very little dick." He didn't laugh.<br><br>But back to Chavez. If I'd forgotten he'd ever visited the uk (and I try to tell everyone I know about what he's doing for his country) then how much has the general public heard about him? <p></p><i></i>
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W. hates Chavez because Hugo actually won his election.

Postby johnny nemo » Wed Jul 05, 2006 8:34 pm

He really is the new Simon Bolivar, isn't he?<br>It's really refreshing to see a government leader that I can respect.<br><br>I love his ideas about getting rid of the helping-hand-that-goes-right-for-your-throat AKA the IMF and replacing it with REAL humanitarianism. <br><br>Damn.....I really wanna emigrate to Venzuela.<br><br>Viva El Presidente !<br> <p></p><i></i>
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