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Media focus Chavez "devil" theme hides damning mos

Postby darkbeforedawn » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:47 pm

Chavez Slams U.S. Protection Of CIA Plane Bomber Posada At UN<br>Press fascination with "devil" quote overshadows Venezuelan President's expose of state sponsored terror, reference to 9/11 inside job<br><br>Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | September 21 2006<br><br>In focusing solely on Hugo Chavez's characterization of Bush as the devil, the mainstream media have succeeded in aiming attention away from the Venezuelan President's most salient point made during his UN speech - CIA control of terror cells around the world and their protection of plane bomber Luis Posada.<br><br>According to documents released by the George Washington University's National Security Archive, and verified by the BBC, Luis Posada Carriles was a CIA agent and on the payroll from the 1960s until mid-1976.<br><br>Posada was part of an anti-Cuban terror cell called Commanders of United Revolutionary Organizations (CORU), led by another CIA operative Orlando Bosch. From the mid-1970's Posada and Bosch instigated a reign of terror that spanned seven countries, carrying out over 50 bombings and political assassinations - including the October 1976 bombing of a Cuban passenger plane as it took off from Barbados, killing 73 innocent people on board. <br><br>All at the behest of the current President's father and then CIA Director George H.W. Bush.<br><br>Posada and Bosch were arrested and jailed in Venezuela but promptly escaped in 1985 when money from Miami, funneled in by fellow terrorist Gaspar Jimenez Escobedo, was used to bribe prison guards.<br><br>The two were then transported by terrorist handler and Cuban expatriate Felix Rodriguez to El Salvador to link up with Oliver North and the Iran-Contra conspiracy, supplying Contras against the Sandinista government of Nicaragua.<br><br>Two years later Senator Tom Harkin stated the American people "deserve a full accounting of [then Vice President] Bush and the vice president's office and its knowledge of Luis Posada's role in the secret contra supply operation."<br><br><br><br>Posada's terrorist accomplice Rodriguez, pictured above with Che Guevara in the hours before Guevara's assassination, bragged during his Iran-Contra congressional testimony of having personally met with George H.W. Bush.<br><br>After El Salvador, Posada was given safe passage by the U.S. government and allowed to continue to carry out terrorist atrocities, including a wave of tourist industry bombings in Havana during the 1990's.<br><br>Posada was finally arrested by federal agents in Miami in May of 2005, but a recent ruling by US magistrate Norbert Garney in El Paso, Texas, will pave the way for the CIA asset and mass murderer to be released once again.<br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>See the inside story of the CIA's protection of Posada and other terrorist networks. Get TerrorStorm on DVD today! Subscribe to Prison Planet.tv and see it in high quality or watch it for free at Google Video.<br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ <br><br>Whether or not you agree with the politics of trying to undermine Communist regimes during the Cold War - the fact remains that the U.S. government has historically created and hired terrorist organizations to carry out acts of mass murder of innocent people to further geopolitical agendas - and has then deliberately protected terrorists from arrest or prosecution.<br><br>The hypocrisy of a government and a Bush dynasty supposedly engaged in a war on terror and yet concurrently the biggest sponsor of global terror was made plain by Chavez during his speech yesterday.<br><br>"And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner," said Chavez.<br><br>"And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government."<br><br>"And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to," said the Venezuelan President.<br><br>"I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse."<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Media focus Chavez "devil" theme hides damning

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:14 pm

"All at the behest of the current President's father and then CIA Director George H.W. Bush."<br><br>the bush family is the main reason that the USA is becoming<br>a police state<br><br>The operaation paperclip allowed the nazi's into Intell who simply hooked up with the nazi agents here like Prescott Bush.<br><br>The Bush family has NEVER been arrested for any of their war crimes and walks about with the praise and admiration of many.<br><br>There has never been a serious investigation into their history<br>that produced any results.<br><br>Rise of family bush<br>descent of family Kennedy<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Media focus Chavez "devil" theme hides damning

Postby AlicetheCurious » Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:26 pm

Oh, absolutely typical.<br><br>Sometimes I stay up till all hours of the morning to hear live coverage of speeches and press conferences. The next day, I get to compare and contrast the what was said, with the corporate press' ideologically-filtered version.<br><br>Usually the very juiciest bits, the most important statements, are never aired after the first time. It's so obvious, somebody should make a documentary about what kind of statements get left out, usually factual statements that contradict the propaganda of the military-industrial complex. I think it would open a lot of people's eyes to the fact that the media upon which they rely, has a hidden agenda. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What gets left out

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:50 pm

CNN left out parts of a Hans Blix speech before the US invasion of Iraq.<br><br>The NYTimes online transcript of Coni Rice's confirmation hearings for Sec. of State left out her horrible comment about the big tsunami providing a good opportunity for US pr work.<br><br>This is very common. Tape what you can and check it for omissions. <br>When you find them, blast it all over the internet so they don't get away with it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What gets left out

Postby * » Thu Sep 21, 2006 5:20 pm

<br>Chavez' full speech to UN:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_23036.shtml">Address to the United Nations: Rise Up Against the Empire</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What gets left out

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<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Harlems_Democratic_Congressman_blasts_Chavez_for_0921.html">Congressman Rangel blasts Chavez for calling Bush 'the devil' in his district</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What gets left out

Postby dugoboy » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:00 pm

guys read chavez' speech....i'm speechless. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell<br><br>"When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma Gandhi</p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez speech

Postby Fearless » Thu Sep 21, 2006 9:27 pm

...<br><br>"And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.<br><br>And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.<br><br>And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.<br><br>And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.<br><br>Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today."<br><br>...<br><br>Carriles immigration case and background from Data Dump:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=17.topic" target="top">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm9.showMessage?topicID=17.topic</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez speech - Greg Palast analysis

Postby greencrow0 » Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:09 pm

Chavez' Comments - <br>Strategy Or Ravings?<br>From The Progressive<br>By Greg Palast<br>9-21-6<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"I've known Hugo Chavez for years, let me tell you that man knows a diablo when he sees one." -- Greg Palast</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>You'd think George Bush would get down on his knees and kiss Hugo Chavez's behind. Not only has Chavez delivered cheap oil to the Bronx and other poor communities in the United States. And not only did he offer to bring aid to the victims of Katrina. In my interview with the president of Venezuela on March 28, he made Bush the following astonishing offer: Chavez would drop the price of oil to $50 a barrel, "not too high, a fair price," he said -- a third less than the $75 a barrel for oil recently posted on the spot market. That would bring down the price at the pump by about a buck, from $3 to $2 a gallon. <br> <br>But our President has basically told Chavez to take his cheaper oil and stick it up his pipeline. Before I explain why Bush has done so, let me explain why Chavez has the power to pull it off -- and the method in the seeming madness of his "take-my-oil-please!" deal. <br> <br>Venezuela, Chavez told me, has more oil than Saudi Arabia. A nutty boast? Not by a long shot. In fact, his surprising claim comes from a most surprising source: the U.S. Department of Energy. In an internal report, the DOE estimates that Venezuela has five times the Saudis' reserves. However, most of Venezuela's mega-horde of crude is in the More...form of "extra-heavy" oil -- liquid asphalt -- which is ghastly expensive to pull up and refine. Oil has to sell above $30 a barrel to make the investment in extra-heavy oil worthwhile. A big dip in oil's price -- and, after all, oil cost only $18 a barrel six years ago -- would bankrupt heavy-oil investors. Hence Chavez's offer: Drop the price to $50 -- and keep it there. That would guarantee Venezuela's investment in heavy oil. <br> <br>But the ascendance of Venezuela within OPEC necessarily means the decline of the power of the House of Saud. And the Bush family wouldn't like that one bit. It comes down to "petro-dollars." When George W. ferried then-Crown Prince (now King) Abdullah of Saudi Arabia around the Crawford ranch in a golf cart it wasn't because America needs Arabian oil. The Saudis will always sell us their petroleum. What Bush needs is Saudi petro-dollars. Saudi Arabia has, over the past three decades, kindly recycled the cash sucked from the wallets of American SUV owners and sent much of the loot right back to New York to buy U.S. Treasury bills and other U.S. assets. <br> <br>The Gulf potentates understand that in return for lending the U.S. Treasury the cash to fund George Bush's $2 trillion rise in the nation's debt, they receive protection in return. They lend us petro-dollars, we lend them the 82nd Airborne. <br> <br>Chavez would put an end to all that. He'll sell us oil relatively cheaply -- but intends to keep the petro-dollars in Latin America. Recently, Chavez withdrew $20 billion from the U.S. Federal Reserve and, at the same time, lent or committed a like sum to Argentina, Ecuador, and other Latin American nations. <br> <br>Chavez, notes The Wall Street Journal, has become a "tropical IMF." And indeed, as the Venezuelan president told me, he wants to abolish the Washington-based International Monetary Fund, with its brutal free-market diktats, and replace it with an "International Humanitarian Fund," an IHF, or more accurately, an International Hugo Fund. In addition, Chavez wants OPEC to officially recognize Venezuela as the cartel's reserve leader, which neither the Saudis nor Bush will take kindly to. <br> <br>Politically, Venezuela is torn in two. Chavez's "Bolivarian Revolution," a close replica of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal-a progressive income tax, public works, social security, cheap electricity -- makes him wildly popular with the poor. And most Venezuelans are poor. His critics, a four-centuries' old white elite, unused to sharing oil wealth, portray him as a Castro-hugging anti-Christ. <br> <br>Chavez's government, which used to brush off these critics, has turned aggressive on them. I challenged Chavez several times over charges brought against Sumate, his main opposition group. The two founders of the nongovernmental organization, which led the recall campaign against Chavez, face eight years in prison for taking money from the Bush Administration and the International Republican [Party] Institute. No nation permits foreign funding of political campaigns, but the charges (no one is in jail) seem like a heavy hammer to use on the minor infractions of these pathetic gadflies. <br> <br>Bush's reaction to Chavez has been a mix of hostility and provocation. Washington supported the coup attempt against Chavez in 2002, and Condoleezza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld have repeatedly denounced him. The revised National Security Strategy of the United States of America, released in March, says, "In Venezuela, a demagogue awash in oil money is undermining democracy and seeking to destabilize the region." <br> <br>So when the Reverend Pat Robertson, a Bush ally, told his faithful in August 2005 that Chavez has to go, it was not unreasonable to assume that he was articulating an Administration wish. "If he thinks we're trying to assassinate him," Robertson said, "I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it. It's a whole lot cheaper than starting a war . . . and I don't think any oil shipments will stop." <br> <br>There are only two ways to defeat the rise of Chavez as the New Abdullah of the Americas. First, the unattractive option: Cut the price of oil below $30 a barrel. That would make Chavez's crude worthless. Or, option two: Kill him. <br> <br>Q: Your opponents are saying that you are beginning a slow-motion dictatorship. Is that what we are seeing? <br> <br>Hugo Chavez: They have been saying that for a long time. When they're short of ideas, any excuse will do as a vehicle for lies. That is totally false. I would like to invite the citizens of Great Britain and the citizens of the U.S. and the citizens of the world to come here and walk freely through the streets of Venezuela, to talk to anyone they want, to watch television, to read the papers. We are building a true democracy, with human rights for everyone, social rights, education, health care, pensions, social security, and jobs. <br> <br>Q: Some of your opponents are being charged with the crime of taking money from George Bush. Will you send them to jail? <br> <br>Chavez: It's not up to me to decide that. We have the institutions that do that. These people have admitted they have received money from the government of the United States. It's up to the prosecutors to decide what to do, but the truth is that we can't allow the U.S. to finance the destabilization of our country. What would happen if we financed somebody in the U.S. to destabilize the government of George Bush? They would go to prison, certainly. <br> <br>Q: How do you respond to Bush's charge that you are destabilizing the region and interfering in the elections of other Latin American countries? <br> <br>Chavez: Mr. Bush is an illegitimate President. In Florida, his brother Jeb deleted many black voters from the electoral registers. So this President is the result of a fraud. Not only that, he is also currently applying a dictatorship in the U.S. People can be put in jail without being charged. They tap phones without court orders. They check what books people take out of public libraries. They arrested Cindy Sheehan because of a T-shirt she was wearing demanding the return of the troops from Iraq. They abuse blacks and Latinos. And if we are going to talk about meddling in other countries, then the U.S. is the champion of meddling in other people's affairs. They invaded Guatemala, they overthrew Salvador Allende, invaded Panama and the Dominican Republic. They were involved in the coup d'etat in Argentina thirty years ago. <br> <br>Q: Is the U.S. interfering in your elections here? <br> <br>Chavez: They have interfered for 200 years. They have tried to prevent us from winning the elections, they supported the coup d'etat, they gave millions of dollars to the coup plotters, they supported the media, newspapers, outlaw movements, military intervention, and espionage. But here the empire is finished, and I believe that before the end of this century, it will be finished in the rest of the world. We will see the burial of the empire of the eagle. <br> <br>Q: You don't interfere in the elections of other nations in Latin America? <br> <br>Chavez: Absolutely not. I concern myself with Venezuela. However, what's going on now is that some rightwing movements are transforming me into a pawn in the domestic politics of their countries, by making statements that are groundless. About candidates like Morales [of Bolivia], for example. They said I financed the candidacy of President Lula [of Brazil], which is totally false. They said I financed the candidacy of Kirchner [of Argentina], which is totally false. In Mexico, recently, the rightwing party has used my image for its own profit. What's happened is that in Latin America there is a turn to the left. Latin Americans have gotten tired of the Washington consensus -- a neoliberalism that has aggravated misery and poverty. <br> <br>Q: You have spent millions of dollars of your nation's oil wealth throughout Latin America. Are you really helping these other nations or are you simply buying political support for your regime? <br> <br>Chavez: We are brothers and sisters. That's one of the reasons for the wrath of the empire. You know that Venezuela has the biggest oil reserves in the world. And the biggest gas reserves in this hemisphere, the eighth in the world. Up until seven years ago, Venezuela was a U.S. oil colony. All of our oil was going up to the north, and the gas was being used by the U.S. and not by us. Now we are diversifying. Our oil is helping the poor. We are selling to the Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba, some Central American countries, Uruguay, Argentina. <br> <br>Q: And the Bronx? <br> <br>Chavez: In the Bronx it is a donation. In all the cases I just mentioned before, it is trade. However, it's not free trade, just fair commerce. We also have an international humanitarian fund as a result of oil revenues. <br> <br>Q: Why did George Bush turn down your help for New Orleans after the hurricane? <br> <br>Chavez: You should ask him, but from the very beginning of the terrible disaster of Katrina, our people in the U.S., like the president of CITGO, went to New Orleans to rescue people. We were in close contact by phone with Jesse Jackson. We hired buses. We got food and water. We tried to protect them; they are our brothers and sisters. Doesn't matter if they are African, Asian, Cuban, whatever. <br> <br>Q: Are you replacing the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund as "Daddy Big Bucks"? <br> <br>Chavez: I do wish that the IMF and the World Bank would disappear soon. <br> <br>Q: And it would be the Bank of Hugo? <br> <br>Chavez: No. The International Humanitarian Bank. We are just creating an alternative way to conduct financial exchange. It is based on cooperation. For example, we send oil to Uruguay for their refinery and they are paying us with cows. <br> <br>Q: Milk for oil. <br> <br>Chavez: That's right. Milk for oil. The Argentineans also pay us with cows. And they give us medical equipment to combat cancer. It's a transfer of technology. We also exchange oil for software technology. Uruguay is one of the biggest producers of software. We are breaking with the neoliberal model. We do not believe in free trade. We believe in fair trade and exchange, not competition but cooperation. I'm not giving away oil for free. Just using oil, first to benefit our people, to relieve poverty. For a hundred years we have been one of the largest oil-producing countries in the world but with a 60 percent poverty rate and now we are canceling the historical debt. <br> <br>Q: Speaking of the free market, you've demanded back taxes from U.S. oil companies. You have eliminated contracts for North American, British, and European oil companies. Are you trying to slice out the British and American oil companies from Venezuela? <br> <br>Chavez: No, we don't want them to go, and I don't think they want to leave the country, either. We need each other. It's simply that we have recovered our oil sovereignty. They didn't pay taxes. They didn't pay royalties. They didn't give an account of their actions to the government. They had more land than had previously been established in the contracts. They didn't comply with the agreed technology exchange. They polluted the environment and didn't pay anything towards the cleanup. They now have to comply with the law. <br> <br>Q: You've said that you imagine the price of oil rising to $100 dollars per barrel. Are you going to use your new oil wealth to squeeze the planet? <br> <br>Chavez: No, no. We have no intention of squeezing anyone. Now, we have been squeezed and very hard. Five hundred years of squeezing us and stifling us, the people of the South. I do believe that demand is increasing and supply is dropping and the large reservoirs are running out. But it's not our fault. In the future, there must be an agreement between the large consumers and the large producers. <br> <br>Q: What happens when the oil money runs out, what happens when the price of oil falls as it always does? Will the <br>Bolivarian revolution of Hugo Chavez simply collapse because there's no money to pay for the big free ride? <br> <br>Chavez: I don't think it will collapse, in the unlikely case of oil running out today. The revolution will survive. It does not rely solely on oil for its survival. There is a national will, there is a national idea, a national project. However, we are today implementing a strategic program called the Oil Sowing Plan: using oil wealth so Venezuela can become an agricultural country, a tourist destination, an industrialized country with a diversified economy. We are investing billions of dollars in the infrastructure: power generators using thermal energy, a large railway, roads, highways, new towns, new universities, new schools, recuperating land, building tractors, and giving loans to farmers. One day we won't have any more oil, but that will be in the twenty-second century. Venezuela has oil for another 200 years. <br> <br>Q: But the revolution can come to an end if there's another coup and it succeeds. Do you believe Bush is still trying to overthrow your government? <br> <br>Chavez: He would like to, but what you want is one thing, and what you cannot really obtain is another. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Chavez speech - Greg Palast analysis

Postby Byrne » Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:57 am

greencrow0,<br><br>Thanks for the Palast article.<br><br><br>Palast mentions ‘<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Petro-Dollars</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->’ <br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What Bush needs is Saudi petro-dollars. Saudi Arabia has, over the past three decades, kindly recycled the cash sucked from the wallets of American SUV owners and sent much of the loot right back to New York to buy U.S. Treasury bills and other U.S. assets. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>From the Wikipedia <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodollars" target="top">PetroDollar</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> entry:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>speculation has arisen that OPEC may switch from the US dollar to the Euro, inaugurating the Petroeuro. So far, OPEC has resisted this move although some OPEC members (such as <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Iran</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Venezuela</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->) have been pushing for a switch to the Euro. During Iraq's Oil-for-Food Programme, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Saddam Hussein did switch to the Euro</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> [in late 2000] and some commentators claim this switch was another <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>factor</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> contributing to the 2003 <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Invasion of Iraq</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. As noted by Cóilín Nunan, "A move away from the dollar towards the euro could have a disastrous effect on the US economy" because the US's negative balance of trade is largely offset by its role as a reserve currency.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The removal of the sustenance of the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm" target="top">US National debt</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> (currently $8.5 Trillion Dollars) is the threat that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Iran</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> & <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Venezuela</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> poses to Washington. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Video Broadcast of Hugo Chavez UN Speech

Postby greencrow0 » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:05 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://webcast.un.org/ramgen/ga/61/ga060920am.rm?start=01:02:20&end=01:26:10">webcast.un.org/ramgen/ga/...d=01:26:10</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Very enjoyable...humourous, extemporaneous, relevant....<br><br>a keeper <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Hugo Chavez

Postby DBtv » Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:57 pm

He's sure saying what I have been thinking. <p></p><i></i>
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petro dollar

Postby Corvidaerex » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:57 pm

Saddam Hussein switched Iraq to petro-euros in 2000, and that's when the new Iraq invasion went from "wish list" for the PNAC neocons to "reality."<br><br>Remember, after the first Gulf War, Cheney was sent out to explain *why* the U.S. military didn't go all the way to Baghdad. His reasons are utterly reasonable; literally every reason he gives has come true in the current Iraq occupation. It's uncanny how knowledgable Cheney and the Bush 41 administration were about Iraq.<br><br>"If you're going to go in and try to topple Saddam Hussein, you have to go to Baghdad. Once you've got Baghdad, it's not clear what you do with it. It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists? How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?"<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2072609/">www.slate.com/id/2072609/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>What changed? Was it really the petrodollar situation? Here's an interesting look at various theories ... from the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School's Department of National Security Affairs publication Strategic Insights, Volume II, Issue 11 (November 2003). You can't make this stuff up.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/">www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The well-footnoted and heavily linked article takes on the theory and concludes the theory is likely incorrect, of course, but despite a few digs at "web based conspiracies" (as you'll see in the quote below), it deals with the petrodollar/petroeuro question in a serious way and flat out says some of the theory is credible.<br><br>"While it is tempting to dismiss passages of this sort as uninformed rants, they do contain some elements of truth. There are tangible benefits that accrue to the country whose currency is a reserve currency. The real question is: if this situation is so intolerable and unfair, why hasn't the world ganged up on the United States and changed the system? Why haven't countries like Libya and Iran required something like euros or gold dinars in payment for oil?"<br><br>I picture the author grinning as he typed those words. Why indeed? <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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sorry, here's the full link

Postby Corvidaerex » Fri Sep 22, 2006 6:59 pm

... to the Naval college's publication quoted above: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/nov03/middleEast.asp">www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/n...leEast.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Byrne » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:30 am

Cheney's question <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>It's not clear what kind of government you would put in place of the one that's currently there now. Is it going to be a Shia regime, a Sunni regime or a Kurdish regime? Or one that tilts toward the Baathists, or one that tilts toward the Islamic fundamentalists? How much credibility is that government going to have if it's set up by the United States military when it's there? How long does the United States military have to stay to protect the people that sign on for that government, and what happens to it once we leave?"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->Has still no answer...<br><br>On <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>911</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, the debate still rages on the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>HOW</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, we know some of the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>WHO </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->(see quoted above), I believe the threat to the removal of the US Petrodollar (& the associated control of the petro-reserves) was the ultimate <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>WHY</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br>Thanks for posting that, Corvidaerex <p></p><i></i>
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