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Kris Millegan Claims Alexandra Robbins Book Limited Hangout

Postby proldic » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:01 pm

<br>The Order of Skull & Bones is the Wizard of Oz!<br>Presidents are just assassinated!<br>There is no conspiracy!<br>It’s just necessary for us barbarians "to be able to make sense of the world!"<br><br>Whitewash, Smokescreen, Disinformation and Modified Limited Hang-out<br><br><br>Recent Yale graduate, Alexandra Robbins’s new book, Secrets of the Tomb – Skull and Bones, The Ivy League, And The Hidden Paths of Power portends to be an exposé, but in reality is a response by Bones to its critics, an apologia and… more skullduggery. Ms. Robbins, claims to be a member of one of Yale’s seven senior secret societies (she never reveals which one) writes:<br><br>"The rumors and conspiracy theories about Skull and Bones,… are widespread and deep-rooted.… the most fascinating thing I learned through my interviews with members of Skull and Bones is that the majority of rumors were carefully planted by the Bonesmen themselves."<br>And,<br>"Skull & Bones is at its core, equivalent to the Wizard of Oz, the puny but cunning man hidden behind a curtain of mystique, projecting images that inspire awe and terror in order to expand himself into something great and terrible." <br>And,<br>"If the Wizard of Oz can represent Skull and Bones, then one must point out that, for a while, Oz needed its Wizard to provide balance and a constant current of reassurance." [emphasis in original]<br><br>According to Ms. Robbins, The Order of Skull & Bones is all just a façade and the conspiracy theories are created out of a psychological need of us "barbarians." It’s just a "frat" house that taps into the power of the Ivy League old boy network. Just a bonding "thing," Skull and Bones isn’t "cultlike" but its critics are.<br><br>"The Bonesmen cannot see the outside world without first looking through the Bones-constructed prism; at the same time, the outside world cannot see into Bones headquarters—instead, barbarians can only project their own imagery onto the, blank, brown walls of the tomb. Which they do. Often. At great length. The attention paid to Skull and Bones is cultlike, and it has grown exponentially in recent years because of the Bush dynasty and the expansion of the Internet, which has provided a most convenient medium through which to discuss and expound on conspiratorial ties. Skull and Bones is not a legend just to those who live it. To barbarians also, it is more than merely an institution; it is a concept onto which people project the images necessary for them to be able to make sense of the world. However sinister the notion of an all-powerful secret society might be, the existence of a Skull and Bones also brings us some measure of relief. The secret soci-ety allows us to believe that things don’t just happen: genocide isn’t just caused by one crazy individual, presidents aren’t just assassinated, family political dynasties aren’t just born. Even chaos, the society’s con-spiracy theories tell us, has causality. The secret society—like the power of the elitist, old-school colleges, the small groups of mogul networks, and the political dynasties—survives because people like to believe that seemingly random events are orchestrated by someone or something in control. "We’ve all done a good job of keeping the quintessential mystery alive," one patriarch said to me, "because people don’t believe this is all we do." Perhaps one of the reasons people are so fascinated with con-spiracy theories, particularly the far-reaching networks associated with secret societies and old-school power, is that they need causality in much the same way as they need a God. People’s need for the Skull and Bones conspiracies to elucidate an underlying order is similar to the need for religion to explain death and purpose. Underground control suggests order and order implies reason. Explanations, however implausible, are somehow reassuring."<br><br><br>The psychological underpinnings, the rhetoric and the techniques used to "massage" the message in this book I find very interesting. Also, her use of the term barbarians to refer to non-members and her use of Bone’s terms of deference to older members, I also find interesting. <br><br>Ms. Robbins takes a swipe at the "sinister" views of Bones with an exaggerated and shunted version of many of the allegations about Bones in an introduction titled The Legends of Skull and Bones. By mixing reality with known myth Ms. Robbins clumsily tosses aside many historical tragedies brought about by the elite deviance of Bones and its cohorts. She then proceeds to tell us "What follows, then is the truth about Skull and Bones." But by simply not addressing many of the allegations against Bones that she brings up in her "legends" she lays down more smoke and mirrors on the whole subject of what is real and what is fiction, even ending her book with more of the same:<br><br>"Whether the legend of Skull and Bones reflects a sinister veracity or a prismatic distortion depends almost entirely on one’s desired perception. The great conspiracy surrounding the society is one of half-truths and our own willing complicity. And its secret, great and terrible, is that Skull and Bones, unreal, has mastered both" <br><br>This book is not an expose it is a paean to The Order of Skull & Bones. Secrets of the Tomb is designed to deflect mounting exposure and criticism of The Order’s secrecy and its malignant effect upon our body politic and our republic.<br><br><br>Ms. Robbins has insights into the culture of Yale and access to Bones members. She supplies us with some gossip, some new info, a map of the inside of the tomb, and plenty of Bone’s unsourced shallow retorts. <br>I will offer a small disassembly of one piece of Ms. Robbins disinformation, for now… Her dismissal of the history of Skull & Bones financial dealings with the Nazis consisted of one sentence.<br><br>"Nor was it Skull and Bones that specifically instructed members to aid Adolf Hitler, though Hitler’s financier stowed $3 million in the Union Banking Corporation, a bank that counted among its seven directors Prescott Bush." <br><br>Ms. Robbins gives us no documentation of her assertion that all that happened was that Fritz Thyssen "stowed" just "$3 million" in a bank that "counted among its seven directors Prescott Bush." Poor Pres, just been stuck with a bad rap, them mean Nazis did it behind his back. What a crock!<br><br>If one checks the historical record one finds that the Union Banking Co. was established in 1924 to formalize an agreement between Bonesman Averell Harriman and Fritz Thyssen, German industrialist and author of I Paid Hitler. Union Bank was more than just some place to stow money but was anactive participant in the rearming of Germany and the financing of Naziism. Union Banking Corporation was eventually seized by the US Alien Property Custodian in October on 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act.<br>And there were many more Bonesmen involved than just Prescott Bush. And much more involvement in the financial affairs of Germany and the Nazis. In 1933 there were eight directors of Union Bank. Four were members of Skull & Bones, classmates Roland Harriman, Knight Woolley, Ellery Sedgewick James and Prescott Bush. In 1942 the bank had (Ms. Robbins is correct) only seven directors but there were three Bones directors and shareholders, Roland, Prescott and Ray Morris. And their shares were declared as being "held for the benefit of… members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals… of a designated enemy country…"<br>There is much more historical evidence about The Order’s and the Bush’s involvement in the financing of Germany and of Hitler. There is George Herbert Walker’s and Prescott Bush’s major involvment with the Harriman Fifteen Corporation and the American Ship and Commerce Corporation which both helped in the rearmament of Germany and the rise of Naziism. <br><br>Ms. Robbins also side-stepped the very real relationship between The Order, eugenics and Hitler. But that is par for the course for this book. Not that I do not recommend it. For as I have learned much can be gathered from disinformation, first there are the "bonifides" that must be supplied and then there is what is not said and where they wish you to go, which always provides illumination.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Kris Millegan Claims Alexandra Robbins Book Limited Hang

Postby robertdreed » Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:19 pm

I once subscribed to Millegan's chatroom discussion- I think it's cia-drugs.alt- for about 72 hours. I got about 6000 messages. I'm not that kind of obsessive. Bee-in-bonnet types trying to do Cabbala with...jabber jabber. Incessant bible verse "scryers." Ludicrous, for a newbie. Although there might have been something there, for those already in the flow of the discussion. <br><br><br>I wonder why there's no mention of the tsunami, in the Book of Revelations written by (presumably) St. John of Patmos? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/7/05 8:23 pm<br></i>
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Skull & Bones & Masons

Postby antiaristo » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:10 am

I think we should stop talking about "secret societies", which serves to imply they are fragmented.<br><br>The real issue is secret oaths. Typically, secret blood oaths.<br><br>Anybody that has sworn such blood oaths is the (witting or unwitting) enemy of the popular good.<br><br>And it's getting harder to give lower level Masons a pass here. America is their policy writ large on this.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>It's not my fault. There's nothing I can do. My hands are tied.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Meanwhile we all know about Fallujah, Abu Ghraib, Niger, Depleted Uranium, Halliburton Guantanamo Bay....<br><br>There are between two and three million Americans that have sworn such blood oaths. Disproportionately, they fill positions of power and influence.<br><br>Dick Cheney is "the highest ranking Freemason in American public service". <p></p><i></i>
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Ms. Robbins posted briefly at DU and ...

Postby Seventhson » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:44 am

I was roundly criticized for bringing this up. I have met and spooken with Ron Rosenbaum, Yale classmate of Bush who says he never met him, who released the famous skull initiation video where the "brothers" were pretending to be the cops anally raping abner louima. He says she was being used by Bones for disinformation and almost had to sue for inaccuracies about his video (the pieces were removed from the book).<br><br>To her credit, Robbins did do an incredible interview at Guerrilla News Network which deserves to be read to put her views in perspective. The book was fluff, but I think her afterthoughts when the book was published are much more insightful.<br><br>I will try to find it, but if others google it should turn up.<br><br>Gotta run, but this is my favorite topic.<br><br>Just a note: Putzi Haenfstaengl (sp?), a Harvard grad, was Hitler's Karl Rove and was involved in the Reichstag Fire. He was a Sedgewick (see Union Bank Directors above). John Sedgewick, cousin of Edie Sedgewick (Warhol groupie) and Kyra Sedgewick (wife of Kevin Bacon), also wrote some kinda fluff pieces on Bones, interestingly (he is a novelist). They come from a famous Civil War General family. Haenfstaengle helped unite the Boston elites with Hitler and he was also a "friend" or peer of Roosevelt.<br><br>One degree of separation all.<br><br>This is part of the WASP elite that made up Bones and which is guiding the Fourth Reich today.<br><br>I am not saying that all of these folks are complicit, but when does an academic anthropological network analysis for sociopolitical networks, these are the ties binding us all and why it is so difficult to break the fascist grip: they are all family and they are legion.<br><br>I know in part because I come from one of these families and went to school with them. I have seen this WASP beast from the inside: nothing Christian about it, though.<br><br>But they do worship what they perceive is their own superiority.<br><br>As for Bones: these are oaths taken unto death. The miliary played an important role in establishing their willingness to die for their blood oaths.<br><br>Tarpley's info on this at www.Tarpley.net is very useful in the Bush (I) bio..<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Hanfstaengl...

Postby robertdreed » Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:58 am

is the correct spelling, I believe.<br><br>Definitely a strange bird... <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_08.htm">reformed-theology.org/htm...ter_08.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Hanfstaengl wrote an autobiography- I'm putting it on my reading list. I hope there's an English translation of the newest edition available, by now. <br><br>Article on Putzi <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=126&article=23989&archive=true">www.stripes.com/article.a...chive=true</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"...In 1942, after being transported to an internment camp in Canada, he offered his services as a consultant on the Nazis to President Roosevelt. The offer was accepted and the still-interned Hanfstaengl was moved to a mansion, Bush Hill, in Virginia..."<br><br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nantyglo.com/postcards04/nov1404.htm">www.nantyglo.com/postcards04/nov1404.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>photo of Hanfstaengl, gesturing animatedly <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.stripes.com/photoday/101304photoday.html">www.stripes.com/photoday/...today.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/8/05 10:12 am<br></i>
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link to robbins interview

Postby Seventhson » Mon Aug 08, 2005 12:59 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://gnn.tv/articles/710/Skull_Bones">gnn.tv/articles/710/Skull_Bones</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>well worth the read<br><br>she lambasts both Bush and Kerry <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hanfstaengl...

Postby Seventhsonjr » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:08 pm

There is also a film on Hanfstaengl (thanks for sp.) and Varian Fry, called, I think, Varian and Putzi by a guy named Kaplan. I did some research for it but never saw it as I was unable to make the premier so i do not know if it is any good.<br><br>Varian Fry is the only American recognized by Israel (Yad Vashem) for having risked his life to rescue Jews during the Holocaust. There is a terrible Showtimer film called "Varian's War" made by the right wing Hollywood PNAC idealogue Lionel Chetwynd which makes the story look awful and rescuers as deviants and weirdos, antiNazis as snivelling cowards.<br><br>Fry was an American ivy league journalist who interviewed "Putzi" in the late 1930's and witnessed the late beginnings of the Shoah brutality of the nazis.<br><br>I will see if I can find the links.<br><br>Fry and Andre Breton were friends and worked together with the French underground and they were very much into synchronicity, psychic phenomena, the Taroh , etc while they fought the Nazis with their wits (see links in post below for this very "rigorous intuition"-like group of antifascist writers, artists and activists.) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=seventhsonjr>Seventhsonjr</A> at: 8/8/05 11:30 am<br></i>
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Re: Kris Millegan Claims Alexandra Robbins Book Limited Hang

Postby Seventhsonjr » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:11 pm

some google links on Hanfstaengl and Fry films:<br><br>(The reason I mention this is the Sedgewick connection to Skull and to Hanfstaengl. I had not remembered seeing the Sedgewick link to the Union bank, which is an important one.)<br><br>MoMA.org | 2004 Film and Media Exhibitions | Richard Kaplan's ...<br>Richard Kaplan’s Varian and Putzi: A 20th Century Tale ... graduated from Harvard<br>and took different paths during the rise of the Third Reich: Varian Fry, ...<br>www.moma.org/exhibitions/ film_media/2004/kaplan_2004.html - 24k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Varian and Putzi<br>A Richard Kaplan Production. Varian Fry and Ernst "Putzi" Hanfstaengl were both<br>Harvard alumni who met only once, in Germany in 1935. At that meeting, Putzi ...<br>www.filmakers.com/indivs/VarianPutzi.htm - 5k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Wolf Entertainment Guide<br>... an Oscar for his "The Eleanor Roosevelt Story." This time, in "Varian and Putzi:<br>A Twentieth ... One of Kaplan's subjects is the heroic Varian Fry, an American ... <br>wolfentertainmentguide.com/ pub/filmsearch.asp?record=2599 - 7k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>VARIAN FRY RESOURCES<br>Kaplan, Richard. "Assignment: Rescue, the story of Varian Fry and the Emergency<br>... Kaplan, Richard. "VARIAN AND PUTZI, A Twentieth Century Tale". 2002. ...<br>www.almondseed.com/vfry/fryreso.htm - 16k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Documentaries relating to Varian Fry<br>Varian and Putzi. Richard Kaplan, 2002. And Crown Thy Good: Varian Fry in Marseille<br>upcoming feature-length documentary by Pierre Sauvage. ...<br>www.chambon.org/fry_documentaries_en.htm - 6k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>NYFVC - Screening of the documentary "Varian and Putzi: A ...<br>... explores the story of two men active in World War II: Varian Fry, who saved ... For more<br>about Varian and Putzi, and about filmmaker Richard Kaplan and his ... <br>nyfvc.org/programs/sept27_2002.html - 11k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>MediaRights<br>VARIAN AND PUTZI. Producer(s): Richard Kaplan, Christina Lazaridi, ... The overlapping<br>stories of Varian Fry and Ernst ?Putzi? Hanfstaengl open a window ...<br>www.mediarights.org/search/fil_detail.php?fil_id=05696 - 12k - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>Special Content - Jewish and Israel News from New York - The ...<br>... be a more unlikely pairing than Varian Fry, one of ... refugees from the Nazis, and Ernst<br>“Putzi” Hanfstängel, who ... Oscar- and Emmy-winner Richard Kaplan is a ... <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="https://marblessl.netnation.com/">/marblessl.netnation.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> ~nyjewish/bottom/specialcontent.php3?artid=686 - 55k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages <br><br>- Video Tape Listing for HISTORY 2003<br> <p></p><i></i>
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