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Re: Nah.

Postby Qutb » Wed Mar 01, 2006 1:55 pm

heath7 said - <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You call me an unreasonable liar, as you do so many on here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I've never called <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>anyone</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> on this board a liar. I've been called a liar myself though, plenty of times. And I get accused of misquoting people because I forgot a comma... of well.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Attempted stifling is not a good thing in the context of open discourse<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>So expressing a contrary opinion on a bulletin board is an attempt at "stifling".<br><br>Good day to you, Sir. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nah.

Postby heath7 » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:03 pm

I have <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>never</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> acted as if no one ever suffered or died in a concentration camp in hitler's reich! I don't doubt that millions died. What you people who call me a monkey and a liar do is ignore the politics of the holocaust. <br><br>The holocaust can be a lie and be real at the same time, or is that just toooooo impossible to understand. <br><br>We will never start to question whether the holocaust was part of a bigger plan if we're not even allowed to talk about what really happened. I earnestly believe the holocaust was much bigger than hitler's evil, evil arse. Without the holocaust, there would not have been such a clear enemy in World War 2. Without the holocaust maybe the allies would have had to answer for things like city-wide firebombings, and atomic bombings. Before Hitler's rise, Germany was destitute for controversial reasons, not least controversial being World War 1. What really happened in World War 1, and to post-WWI Germany? Could it be that blaming everything on the holocaust is covering up some important underlying factors and remaining problems? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nah.

Postby heath7 » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:06 pm

Qutb, you don't <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>say</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> anything. You're full of insinuations, and you know it. <p></p><i></i>
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Lies, Damn Lies and Punctuation

Postby antiaristo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:08 pm

I really did not want to have to do this. I'm sorry Jeff, but Qutb is forcing my hand.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Are YOU Jewish, or a Freemason?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>WTF? "Are you Jewish?"<br><br>About this board being "infiltrated" - yes, it appears that it has been, by the Stormfront crowd. In the early days, the board was blessedly free from this crap.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And why did you cite only PART of what I wrote, hmm?<br>You're not very honest, intellectually speaking, are you?<br><br>And why do you IMMEDIATELY start waving Stormfront around, oh wise one?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Qutb,<br>I think you'll find a question addressed to you earlier in the thread. It has bearing on your integrity<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Anti, as far as I remember, I think you complained that I left out the "Freemason" part. Is that correct? You're a bit cryptic sometimes.<br><br>For the record, here's antiaristo's full question to Professor Pan, since deleted by Jeff, and I'm only reproducing it on anti's demand:<br><br>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Are you Jewish? <br><br>Or Freemason?<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br><br>I don't see how that's helping you case though...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Qutb,<br><br>You are a liar and you've been caught.<br><br>Fortunately slimmouse quoted me.<br><br><br>Quote:<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Are YOU Jewish, or a Freemason?<br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Now do I REALLY have to explain to everybody what it is you have done, and why you are an habitual liar?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Antiaristo, that's what I wrote, except the caps. I didn't remember that you had capitalized YOU, nor did I remember the comma, but instead typed a period/full stop. Silly me. Or wait... lying me, I guess. Whatever. <br><br>Again, though, I fail to see how this is supposed to put you in a better light.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'll leave it to others to judge.<br><br>I simply ask Jeff not to delete it again. Please.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I've never called anyone on this board a liar. I've been called a liar myself though, plenty of times. And I get accused of misquoting people because I forgot a comma... of well.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lies, Damn Lies and Punctuation

Postby antiaristo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:19 pm

Heath,<br>World War I was a conflict between two royal families.<br><br>BOTH descended from Queen Victoria. <p></p><i></i>
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Lies, Straight From The Pit....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:00 pm

Nobody's Going to Win THIS Race....<br><br>Jeffrey, you, of all Rigorously Intuited people should absolutely know by now, that there is no "Race of Jews". Today, those who subscribe to the Jewish Religion are, like their much-disparaged Christian brothers & sisters, a mix of every "nation, tribe, and tongue". Zionism is not racism, at least from Israel's point of view.<br><br>Some folks may differ, and accuse Zionists (political affiliation) with being some of the worst racists we have met since the Nazi's. Just ask the Palestinians. Anti-Zionism, is by the same definition, not racism. It's a political position. You cannot, in the scientific world of DNA testing, "find" a Jewish Race. You can, however "find" a Semitic Race. This race also includes Arabs, and probably a few other identifiable peoples.<br><br>True "Anti-Semitism" is a disparagement of anyone from that racial group. Hating the people of Iraq and Iran is absolutely, scientifically as Anti-Semitic (if not more so) as hating Israelis, most of whom are not, by any stretch of the science of genetics, Semitic.<br><br>But then Jeff, comes the infamous "slippery slope". If you deign, here in your world, on your blog, to ban speech that is Anti-Jewish (the Religion), then, I posit that you must also ban any and all posts here that are Anti-Pagan/New Age (ALL of mine), Anti-Christian (most of your "peeps"), Anti-Muslim (too darned few to even find), Anti-Atheist/Agnostic (again, most of mine), and any others that disparage anyone's firmly held religious beliefs.<br><br>Or, you could just decide to be like ancient Rome, invite us into the Coliseum's Combat Arena, and sit back and watch us go at each other with "hammer and tongs". But even I see the danger of that. While we're busy "tearing each other's electronic throats out", "THEY" are still busy plotting our ultimate demise, and, in the meantime, stealing as many of our chickens that they can!<br><br>I don't have any easy answers. Beware of any of us wierdos here who claim to. I hope, though, that I have posted a few serious questions for you, and all of us to think about.<br><br>Respectfully Submitted,<br>Alexander Franklin Mutter, B.A., D.s.b.<br><br>added on edited re-post: I identify "THEY" as All the Forces behind the New World Order, not Jewish folk in any particular. They are no more representative of the Whole NWO than any other "identifiable perps", BUT, they're still Not A Race. Anti-Judaism is certainly deplorable, but scientifically, it is Not Racism.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nah.

Postby Qutb » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Qutb, you don't say anything. You're full of insinuations, and you know it.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>For the sake of clearing things up. I've never meant to <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>insinuate</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> anything. I write exactly what I mean, not more, not less. I usually try to explain my point of view as clearly as I can. I have no idea what insinuations you read into my posts, but in any case that's your problem, not mine.<br><br>On the subject of insinuations though, how many times don't I read comments like "yeah QUTB, we all know why you're here..." etc.<br><br>I don't think anyone on this board is a "liar" (well, with the possible exception of that guy who claims to destroy alien bases with orgonite or whatever). I've never said that anyone is a liar, and I've never meant to insinuate that anyone is a liar.<br><br>I do think, however, that many posters here have poor analytical skills, serious problems separating fantasy from reality, and are lacking in the most basic knowledge about history, politics, and about the world outside of the United States of America/Great Britain. And while there is a lot of healthy (and unhealthy) skepticism among those posters to any "official" or "mainstream" sources, there's little corresponding skepticism to anything "alternative". There's also little willingness to accept that much of the "alternative" stuff comes with an ideological baggage that's not always very nice.<br><br>There are many exceptions to the above, but you're not one of them.<br><br>The same posters have a tendency to make every discussion personal, and viciously attack those who question or disgree with their ill-informed beliefs. Why not simply <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>discuss</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> a subject... instead of making every discussion a pissing contest. <br><br>At its best, this board offers a forum for open-minded discussion of deep politics, the paranormal, and other "fringe" topics which is quite unique on the web. Kudos to Jeff for providing that forum. There are those who do their best to sabotage this though, not because they have any interest in "stifling" anything I'm sure, but because they would rather have the board conform to the standards of the post-X Files conspiracy pop culture. To each his own. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lies, Straight From The Pit....

Postby nomo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:15 pm

Ah yes, H7, Anti. Way to go to conduct a constructive debate. It's the JEWS! It's Prince Charles! And if you disagree, you're stifling the debate! <br><br>Really, I've wondered out loud before. If you already know all the answers, what are you still doing here?<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nah.

Postby Qutb » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:19 pm

Antiaristo, I don't care about you, I don't care about your personal crusade, I don't care about your sworn affidavits, and I don't care about the queen of England. <br><br>Your question to Pan was beyond the pale. Contrary to what you may believe, the fact that you added "Freemason" to "Jew" does not put you in a better light. I'm sorry I bothered to react to this though, I should have just ignored you. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lies, Straight From The Pit....

Postby antiaristo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:23 pm

nomo,<br>I personally have nowhere else to go.<br>I am a refugee.<br>Could you please show me where I have said what you claim?<br>Do you consider constructive debate to be putting words in another's mouth?<br><br>What do you consider to be constructive debate, nomo? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Lies, Straight From The Pit....

Postby antiaristo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:25 pm

Qutb,<br>I will feel no loss.<br>I can engage with anybody that tells the truth.<br><br>Added on edit<br><br>Just for clarification, what I said to pan cannot have been beyond the pale. You would have perceived no need to alter it otherwise.<br><br>You are damned by your own hand. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 3/1/06 12:27 pm<br></i>
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Please Stop Using "My" Post's Title....

Postby Floyd Smoots » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:46 pm

....If none of you plan to comment on my posit vis-a-vis racism, both true & false types. Thanks, fellows.<br><br>........Floyd <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Gandhi

Postby antiaristo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 3:47 pm

Let's see now, how does it go?<br><br><br>First they ignore you.<br><br>Then they ridicule you.<br><br>Then they fight you.<br><br>Then you win.<br><br><br>Added on edit<br><br>Sorry Floyd, that was my fault.<br>And as for your point, that was implicit in my reply to pan on the thread that got pitted and locked. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 3/1/06 12:50 pm<br></i>
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the world outside of the United States of America/Great Brit

Postby antiaristo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:01 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Tehran dispatch <br><br><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:small;">Blaming the British</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br><br>From cabbies to shahs, most Iranians believe political events can be traced back to English interference, writes Robert Tait <br><br>Wednesday March 1, 2006 <br><br><br>Watching his fellow countrymen observe the annual Shia Islamic mourning ceremony of Ashura, the disaffected Tehran taxi driver voiced a wish to convert to Christianity that may not have been as sincere as it was incongruous. But whatever his true ecclesiastical leanings, his beliefs about the source of the religious tyranny that so irked him about Iran were real.<br><br>"It is England that has imposed these mullahs on us," the cabbie mused, resisting all protestations at the notion's absurdity.<br><br>The idea that the Islamic revolution was a plot hatched in Whitehall, and that its spiritual leader, the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, was some sort of heavily disguised 007 in the secret service of Her Majesty's government does indeed seem weird. But not to many Iranians.<br><br>Suggestions that the convulsive events of 1979, which ushered in the Islamic republic, were manipulated and orchestrated by the British are widely accepted here as a given. It is a belief held, even before his reign was swept to oblivion in a revolutionary tidal wave, by the last shah, Mohammed Reza Pahlavi.<br><br>Resentful that the British had deposed his pro-German father during the second world war, the shah commissioned a television drama, My Uncle Napoleon, whose main character's catchphrase was: "The British are behind everything". The shah echoed this mantra during his reign's last desperate days, telling the American ambassador, William Sullivan, that he "detected the hand of the English" behind the street demonstrations raging against him. Sullivan surmised that the teetering monarch had lost his mind and, with it, the will to survive.<br><br>But the shah was reflecting a broader mindset. The sun may have long set on British imperial might but in Iran it has been replaced by an enduring mirage of dominance which still shines brightly. If the rest of the world has become accustomed to the American hegemonic age, to Iranians Inglestan still wields the true power, albeit stealthily. Behind events great and small, they are ready to perceive the sleight of a hidden British hand. Belief in the "old coloniser's" diabolic powers unites Iranians in a way matched by no other issue, including the Islamic regime's pursuit of nuclear technology.<br><br>The regime's staunchest supporters cling to this belief with equal tenacity. Demonstrations by student Basij (Islamic volunteers) outside the British embassy in Tehran occur with bewildering regularity. The most recent railed against Britain's alleged responsibility for last week's destruction of the Shia shrine in Samarra, Iraq.<br><br>More generally, the Iranian authorities blame Britain for a wave of bombings that has killed more than 20 people in the southern city of Ahvaz over the past year.<br><br>It can be a bit of a jolt to Britons reconciled to their country's reduced global status to be instructed by Iranians of no particular ideological persuasion to "tell your government to leave us alone". It came as such to no less than Jack Straw. Having invested much energy and political capital cultivating a relationship aimed at breaking the ongoing nuclear imbroglio, the foreign secretary was said to be dumbfounded to discover the standard Iranian belief in his government's almost supernatural powers. He shouldn't have been.<br><br>For the all-consuming suspicion of British motives is rooted not simply in outlandish superstition, but in solid historical fact. Iran is hardly the only country where imperial Britain has form, but in few places are the memories - or wounds - so raw.<br><br>Top of the Iranian grudge list is the 1953 coup that toppled the nationalist prime minister, Mohammed Mossadeq, and cemented the rule of the shah. The coup was executed largely by the CIA but its genesis lay with the British secret services.<br><br>The British had been infuriated by Mossadeq's nationalisation of the Anglo-Iranian oil company, a move prompted by widespread anger at its refusal to share a fairer proportion of its profits (vital to Britain's tax revenues) with Iran.<br><br>Having taken the matter to the UN security council and lost, Churchill's government persuaded the Eisenhower administration, then paranoid about the spread of communism, that Mossadeq was a dangerous radical who should be toppled. The resulting chicanery destabilised Iranian politics for the next generation and resonates to this day.<br><br>But it is just one among many historical grievances. Britain's dubious distinction is to have alienated just about every identifiable group in Iran. During the 19th century, Iran was a pawn in the Great Game played out between Britain and Russia for power and influence in central Asia.<br><br>The ruling Qajar dynasty of the time was bullied into a host of humiliating territorial and economic concessions to each side. The abuses continued into the 20th century and extended to interference in Iranian internal politics.<br><br>"Historically, people believe Britain engineered the coup which brought to power Reza Khan, who became Reza Shah [the last shah's father]," said Mohammed Hossein Adeli, until recently Iran's ambassador to Britain.<br><br>"His ruthless rule made people blame the British for interference in Iranian affairs. Later, the British deposed Reza Shah. As a result the shah's royal family and the elite affiliated to them were alienated. This united the people and the elite, both of whom became very suspicious of the British."<br><br>British policy makers should be sobered to learn that the one thing that unites Iranians is us. If, one day, the taxi driver gets his wish and the rule of the mullahs should end, there is no doubt who will get the credit - or the blame.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,,1720810,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/elsewh...10,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the world outside of the United States of America/Great

Postby antiaristo » Wed Mar 01, 2006 4:49 pm

I'm not going near the thread where Jeff asked us to comment.<br>It's already poisoned.<br>But there seem to be two nomos, and possibly two pans.<br><br>nomo, you flamed me, and I have responded with courtesy. Yet there you are complaining about pissing contests. Are there two of you?<br><br>And pan, I'm sorry if my family history of concentration camps trumps your own absorbed by marriage. But that's how it is. <p></p><i></i>
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