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PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:40 am
by mother
Floyd, what are you doing up so late? Don't you have to go to work tommorrow? Or is there still more beer left? <p></p><i></i>

Re: Revelation of the Method

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 3:55 am
by meekster
"If his Masonic activity were no more than a kind of 'Dungeons and Dragons' for older people...<br><br>There is something more ominous going on here...something bigger than what Masons and NewKid(and these others) would argue is no more than the equivalent of Ninja Turtles solidarity."<br><br>Yes. Exactly. The symbols and signs are all around us, but we won't, and we can't, see them, unless we admit they are there. How are they there? How do these symbols transcend generations and religions? There is no answer unless we at least begin to consider that there is more going on in our universe than the modern, cynical mind will admit. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Revelation of the Method

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:08 am
by thumperton
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Yes. Exactly. The symbols and signs are all around us, but we won't, and we can't, see them, unless we admit they are there. How are they there? How do these symbols transcend generations and religions? There is no answer unless we at least begin to consider that there is more going on in our universe than the modern, cynical mind will admit.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->exactly. I find it sad that people 'educated' in things like liberalism, secular humanism, or pop psychology can suddenly diagnose the thousands of years of human existance as pathological when it comes to the acknowledgement of the spiritual realm and higher powers with dismissive hand waving. <p></p><i></i>

Revelation of the Method

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:22 am
by mother
Also sad because they miss out on so much, cannot really connect to art, for example. In the end, it's always a competition for intellectual prowess. Saul Alinsky was very skilled in crafting techniques used in this thread. If these symbols were not so powerful, people wouldn't need to expend so much energy dismissing them, now would they? <p></p><i></i>

It's A Hit!!! CIA or New York Yankees???

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:26 am
by Floyd Smoots
Hittin' on you, ma? Just kidding. That N-word (new) really honked my horn with his sexist disrespect to you. But, to answer your question honestly, Yes, to both questions. Gee, ma, I'm not a really BIG boy, but I sometimes play one on the net.<br><br>Also, I'm point Five Eight centuries old, and I stayed up 'till two AM Friday night, got up at 6:45am, and still managed to get to work on Saturday (overtime) at 7:30. Funny you should ask, 'cause I asked my almost forty-eight year old nephew a tad earlier tonight, "Can you give me any advice on how to end a candle at both burns?".<br><br>Live with it, or, come, live with me and my daughter, her husband, the six-year-old, the two-year-old, the faux dog, three cats, and a whole passel of crazy noisy neighbors. It could be a whole new paradigm shift in your whole meme!!!<br><br>Love, Floyd<br> <p></p><i></i>

Re: Just a few thoughts before I go to bed...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:42 am
by thurnandtaxis
There are certainly those who understand the occult science of correspondences, it is they who have designed various rituals much like a programmer writes code. Not all of the participants in a ritual understand the full ontological ramifications of their actions, it is not nessecary for them to. Only those at the pinnacles of heirarchy comprehend the full interaction of microcosm and macrocosm in this regard.<br><br>The works of Aleister Crowley document how this occurs. He lays out <br>the efficacy of priestly accordances, and while his work has influenced many, it in itself is drawn from the innermost rites of Freemasonry. Freemasonry is a confluent synthesis of Christianity, Judaism, and Paganism grafted onto the Cabbalistic Tree of Life. There was a lot of thought and effort placed into the construction of these organizations.<br>In the 17th and 18th century ceremonial magic was considered a gentlemanly pursuit. A fancy of the gentry, the ruling class, and a philosophy that far from died out in the age of enlightenment.<br><br>Has it ever really been the case in history that the populace has not been beholden to the mythmaker, the priest or the shaman? And has it not always been the case that such magi consult unto the warrior kings?<br><br>Outside of the marginalized work of feminist archeologists what other<br>models of history do we have that do not rely upon a heirarchical<br>system of governance that equates earthly kingship with divinity?<br>In how many of our stories do we find the violent nature of the dominant<br>alpha-male justified as lordly rule, a manifestation of divine provenance.<br>And who creates this mythos at its heart other than the occult priesthood? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=>thurnandtaxis</A> at: 3/6/06 1:45 am<br></i>

Re: Just a few thoughts before I go to bed...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:23 am
by AlicetheCurious
You guys are killing me!! I've got all these things to do, but the discussion is so provocative I've got to jump in.<br><br>I have no idea why you-all are jumping all over NewKid -- just because someone has a difference in perspective doesn't mean he's a troll. Au contraire, you guys should be welcoming the fact that there is someone with a refreshingly skeptical point of view, to provide some counterpoint to the increasingly overheated, spiralling hysteria that has made this thread rather suffocating.<br><br>I swear (I'd put my hand on my heart, but, you know...), I am not a troll, yet my experience and learning have made me trust logic and reason and very suspicious of the belief that some people can control the "dark forces". In fact, even the emphasis on 'faith', especially by politicians, gets my back up.<br><br>Whether you believe that those who dominate the world, the 'players', are satanists or greedy sociopaths, what they must fear above all are intelligent, well-informed people of integrity. On the other hand, once you give in to the irrational, you've established the precedent of shutting your mind to logic and the evidence of your own eyes, a process that 'they' have devoted much effort to hijacking for their own purposes.<br><br>Chacun son gout, as they say. Some people feel comfortable poring over pictures, examining hand-shakes with a magnifying glass, trying to figure out who the anti-Christ is, making numerical calculations of birthdates and names and whatever.<br><br>Others prefer to take a more prosaic approach to the problems we all face. When we look at Dick Cheney, we see different things, yet we agree he is a bad man, in league with other bad men.<br><br>I honestly don't believe Cheney has harnessed any dark powers other than the ones we have abdicated to him and his cronies, through our ignorance, fear and lack of organization. All the information we've needed to stop these people has been available -- but because it wasn't spoon fed to us via the msm, we didn't see it. <br><br>We weren't paying attention, when these war criminals were orchestrating the murders and rapes and tortures of brown people in Latin America, Africa, and the Middle East, thereby amassing vast fortunes that they used to eventually buy or corrupt all the safeguards for our freedom that were so painstakingly erected by previous generations. <br><br>Comfortable and complacent in our lazy-boy chairs, eating our processed junk food and enthralled by our junk entertainment, we were too stupefied and lethargic. We didn't care about what was going on "over there", and only now are waking up to a new world, where the press, the entertainment media, the judiciary and elected officials have been corrupted and infiltrated. Call it the 'revolving door', call it 'the octopus', call it the Illuminati or whatever, it didn't emerge fully grown -- it took generations to come into the kind of global power it has today. <br><br>I think all of us perceive that there is a terrible danger to humanity and our planet. All of us desire to see human beings live in dignity and freedom and justice. If we have disagreements, let's talk about them and test our ability to defend our points of view through intelligent debate. I, for one, have benefitted immensely through my own disagreements and arguments with others in this forum who know how to defend their ideas and provide valuable information and facts to support them.<br><br>That's the kind of thing the PTB really, really hate, because it's the only kind of thing that poses a true danger to their hegemony. <p></p><i></i>


PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:03 am
by antiaristo
Floyd,<br>My answer was to thumperton's question "Why Britain". You can see I outed NK earlier in the thread.<br><br>Alice,<br>How "refreshing" is the opinion of DE by another name? <p></p><i></i>

Re: Trolls

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:25 am
by Gouda
The Illuminati video, that is some pretty slick stuff. The Illuminati PR Division does quite well for itself. Got anything more substantial? <p></p><i></i>

Re: Revelation of the Method

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:34 am
by Qutb
Thumper said - <br>"Unsure. Although very famous people like Madonna are involved in things like Kabbalah and I read somewhere she ask the devil on a black throne for fame in exchange for her soul. Probably apocryphal though. As well, a lot of heavy metal has the message of Apotheosis or hatred towards God at its core."<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src= ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I used the devil sign as well, in my long-hair days. I never asked the devil for fame though, maybe I should have. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Revelation of the Method

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:52 am
by Qutb
By the way, the Illuminati will have to devise new secret handsigns now, that you're all on to them.<br><br>I think Jeff put it well: "...virtually indistiguishable from a radical gullibility". <p></p><i></i>

Re: Revelation of the Method

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:28 pm
by Dreams End
Here's Texe Marr on the secret handshake. Texe is the one who posted the pics that Thumper included. Thumper, of course, knows some secret handshake or another or he would not have been able to get unbanned. Wonder how he did that? He'll never tell! Talk about secrets.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I Love You, Devil?<br> <br><br>The "El Diablo" hand sign often is con-fused with the deaf hand signal of the phrase, "I love you." While at first this appears an odd resemblance, we register an "ahh, I get it!" emotion when we discover that the person who invented, or created, the hand sign system for the deaf, Helen Keller, was herself an occultist and Theosophist. Did Keller purposely design the deaf's "I love you" sign to be such a remarkable imitation of the classic sign of Satan? Was Keller saying, basically, "I love you, Devil?" -Texe Marrs (See CODEX MAGICA)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I'm actually quite interested in Masonic connections in all this. Somehow, the failure to believe any PARTICULAR conspiracy theory (especially one composed of broad generalizations without substantiation) is seen by the radically gullible as not only rejecting ALL conspiracy theory, but, in fact, as working ON BEHALF OF the conspirators. And this is not at all Rigorous in any sense of the term.<br><br> And so, you have anti once again violating board policy by "outing" New Kid. "Outing" as what, anti? Why don't you say it clearly. (You need to understand that anti feels that reading rapidly is a sign of being an agent, as evidently they read faster than normal people. he's used this "logic" on me and others.)<br><br>But you are safe, anti. IF thumper, who was posting propaganda directly from the British national party site and espousing overtly fascist (not crypto-fascist, mind) material, is allowed to resume posting here, much to the delight, evidently, of mother, rothbardian, slimmouse, and others, then surely you have no reason to fear banning, despite Jeff's alleged "final warning". <br><br>Those of you here pointing out the lack of evidence of the various assertions made in this thread are wasting your breath. If they could understand what you are saying, they wouldn't post unsubstantiated garbage in the first place.<br><br>And it's frustrating because there is some material there that is important. Perhaps extremely important. But to respond to someone who wants more evidence as somehow being a shill for the "not so N" WO, is to make your own arguments look silly and to alienate potential allies.<br><br>I, to be perfectly honest, find the Pat Robertson picture intriguing. That's a clearly deliberate pose he has struck. It's awkward looking and I think it is worth having a look at. He's a Yalee, too, for that matter. But many of the OTHER pictures are far less clear. And the ones of Bush and his daughters are clearly "Hook'em horns" as he waves to supporters. <br><br>But you can't HAVE this discussion because if you don't believe EVERY picture in a series is the Satanic symbol then you are "blind and naive and ignorant of the true conspiracy." Blah blah blah. Hence the Texe Marre quote about Helen you see how it looks when no discernment is offered.<br><br>I'm sorry this board got taken over. But it has been. The mentally unstable and those who do them no favors by egging them on are now running the show and this is a shame only in that what good information is here gets discredited in the process. <br><br>This post will elicit...well, we know what it will elicit. I'd actually posted on the "please discuss" thread that I wasn't going to be posting much around here, but I wanted to chime in as I still keep hoping to get an explanation as to how thumper got unbanned. That post was a shout-out to certain of my favorite posters and I may reproduce it on it's own thread, just to make sure they see it. The original one got locked and sunk.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>

DE, not again!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 1:51 pm
by thurnandtaxis
C'mon, while you may feel that it is pointless to argue with certain members on this board, there is still a need to present alternate viewpoints for the sake of the non-posters. And I feel that your thoughtful disagreements are some of the least antagonistic. Tiring as it may be your work is not unappreciated.<br><br>In my case, I'm not trying to "egg anyone on", rather I'm just presenting my take on this aspect of the occult cryptocracy. I don't deny that it exists, however I feel that there are some major over-simplifications<br>with the fundamentalist and subsequent pop cultural packaging of the "illuminati" en toto. Just as there is a tendancy to disavow the covert<br>power of ritual, there is also a tendancy to overstate some aspects.<br>It's a very murky subject and one that, it seems can't be discussed<br>dispassionately.<br><br>Leave it to Thumpy to return and start stirring shit up again! <br><br>How DID that happen? Jeff?<br><br>A final thought though to those who hold their ideas absolute: smarmy outright dismissal of those you don't agree with and attempts at humor at the expense of those who hold their beliefs strongly only serves to antagonize situations to the point of chaos.<br><br>Let's stop trying to make each other seem foolish as it only turns us all into clowns. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=>thurnandtaxis</A> at: 3/6/06 10:58 am<br></i>

Re: DE, not again!

PostPosted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 2:26 pm
by thumperton
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Re: DE, not again!

PostPosted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:13 am
by rocco322
Isn't that Robertson Time mag pose supposed to signify "the black hand"? Supposedly, Frank Sinatra had a tattoo of a black hand covering his heart. That's what it's supposed to signify, a black hand grasping a heart. Looks like that to me in the Time cover pic. <br><br>A friend of mine ended up getting the same tattoo when he discovered this little known Sinatra fact. And we all know how cool Frankie is... <p></p><i></i>