Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Canada

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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby Dreams End » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:36 pm

Where did this Lysander Spooner come from and why doesn't he or she post more? Great point.<br><br>Welcome. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Here's the story in the Ottawa Citizen

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:46 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>especially with his idiotic immigration views<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>elaborate....what exactly do you find idiotic?<br><br>I find his views perfectly in line with someone who's been threatened with death if he continues to speak out on the issue.<br><br>Is it idiotic that he speaks out against those that want him dead (he has it on film, immigrant groups and KKK alike, as he's railed against both at seperate rallies), or is it idiotic for him to hold the views that the immigration issue is all about the loss of sovereignty and pan-American union, do you think he should capitulate to those that threaten him and his family instead? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby dugoboy » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:50 pm

hes not a libertarian to the point of idiocy if thats what you currently believe. honestly i dont know why i'm defending alex but just about everyone here has called him a shill or hypocritical.<br><br>he doesnt side with the rrepublicans or democrats, obviously a comprehensive solution to the problem is needed.<br><br>all alex was warning about is that the immigrant 'debate' could be used to legitimize the use of mass prison camps (which are built, halliburton recently won a $300 million contract to build more) due to immigrants becoming a MANUFACTURED problem by the neo cons. i hope you don't think he supports that shit? <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT." -Me<br><br>"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell</p><i></i>
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Re: Here's the story in the Ottawa Citizen

Postby Dreams End » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:04 pm

Amerika, uber alles.<br><br>anti-immigrant hysteria is so closely tied into fascist politics that it's indistinguishable...blame the problems on some different "other". Dont' look at home, don't look at the corporations exploiting the countries from which they come.<br><br>The irony is a little richer in Europe where most of the immigrants are coming from countries that were directly ruled by European countries as colonies. Resources raped, labor exploited. Europe used to "own" these countries...now they wash their hands of them. <br><br>Here, the relationship with Mexico involves lots of exploitation, including the passive acceptance to outright support of 70+ years of one party, corrupt rule. Add into that the politics of drugs, the maquiladoras, NAFTA...you can't sit around and say look how THEY are coming into OUR country. Give me a break. <br><br>And if you add in refugees from El Salvador, Guatemala, etc where the US directly sponsored brutal rightwing governments, or Nicaragua where the US funded death squads, or the military base formerly known as Honduras, or Panama, which we bombed when we tried to "fire" CIA asset Noriega, or the CIA sponsored overthrow of Allende in Chile. On and on it goes. Conditions in these countries from which these immigrants come are often brutal and attempts to make them better brutally suppressed...ALWAYS with the aid and approval of the US. ALWAYS. <br><br>Look in your closet at home and write down the brand names. Look up the manufacturers and where they locate their factories. You will soon discover that every time you put on that hanes t-shirt or tie up your Nikes you have blood on your hands. <br><br>don't come at me with bullshit free market...I can respect libertarian philosophy, but there's nothing free in these countries. There is no possibility of people improving their social conditions and creating situations of better work at better pay without the US sponsored state or various paramilitaries coming down on them. I've seen it first hand in Mexico. Guess what all that "drug interdiction military equipment" really goes for?<br><br>Everything you eat, everything you wear....where do you think it comes from. I know, as long as people can get their cheap goods at WalMart, nothing else matters.<br><br>Enjoy it while it lasts. <br><br>From somewhere in the jungle of Southern Mexico (in spirit, anyway).... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:23 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Beautiful! When confronted face-to-face with the contradiction between on one hand his preaching against the Prison Planet, and on the other hand his preaching in support of the statist-utopian pipe-dream of border (human being) control, he sides with the statist-utopian pipe-dream.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br><br><br>He doesn't preach in support of human being control.<br><br>He preaches in support of the government's responsibility to the constitution, that leaves protection of the nation's border in their charge and they are bound to it.<br><br>He sees the neccesity of it as do I, It's the same reason people put up chain link fences and bars on the windows in high crime neighborhoods.<br><br>and in case you haven't noticed, the world is a high crime neighborhood.<br><br>Without well defined and protected borders, you will never catch a criminal again unless there is a highly centralized one world authority with police and law making powers. The rights afforded in differing countries by no means match, so that would also have to be resolved. Where would this centralized authority reside?<br><br>That is why Jones would never want to do away with border authority itself, but he has every reason to complain about the hijacking of that border authority to be used as a tool by people that would give their left nut to have a highly centralized one world <br>authority in their slimy theiving grip.<br><br><br>Update: He just called into his show and explained the contradiction.<br>Apparently at about 3:30 in the morning one of his buddies that was detained along with him, being worried , asked Alex what was going to happen to them, what was going on behind closed doors? Alex replied that they would probably have to sit it out there and then leave(deported to the US) in the morning.<br>Overhearing this, the immigration officials immediatly started accusing them of plotting escape. That's when he started standing up for himself. This treatment continued until the press showed up, and the immigration officials drastically changed their tune. They started pleading with him not to portray them in a bad light, that they had families and were just doing what they'd been order to do, they rechecked him to make sure none of it was caught on recording device, they wanted him to sign something saying they did no harm, he said he just told them he knows they were put up to it and he would mind their wishes.<br>When he was finally brought out to the media he was flanked by officers the whole time and that's where the "Two to Tango"comment came from. He was going to hold his tongue until <br>he was safely out of the country again. But he says he's being tailed by special forces types, and been approached by undercover officers several times. He still has to go through immigration again when he leaves. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 6/9/06 2:24 pm<br></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:23 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>all alex was warning about is that the immigrant 'debate' could be used to legitimize the use of mass prison camps (which are built, halliburton recently won a $300 million contract to build more) due to immigrants becoming a MANUFACTURED problem by the neo cons. i hope you don't think he supports that shit?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah, but Alex has had guests on his show that advocate a closed border with Mexico that is reinforced with electronic surveillance.<br><br>He has Al Garza on his show, for example, who was advocating such a thing, along with deployment of National Guard troops to "guard the border" and electronic surveillance and NOT ONCE did Alex call this guy on the bullshit.<br><br>What pisses me off about him and the crappy "Patriot" movement is the underlying belief that liberty and justice is only meant for those with the proper papers. It never enters their minds that there is much more to immigration than people coming to America for work. They never fully examine the "why" and never understand the serious problems with the farmers in places like Chiapas and the friction between the Zapatistas and the Mexican government. They never research the fact that much of the Mexican population that is "indigenous" does not have any rights under their Constitution and how NAFTA is intrisically involved in all that.<br><br>'JUS CLOSE DEM DERE BORDERS AND KEEP 'EM OUT!! GOD BLESS AMERICUH!!"<br><br>Hope Alex learns something from this. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Re: Here's the story in the Ottawa Citizen

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:28 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>where the US funded death squads, or the military base formerly known as Honduras, or Panama,<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Isn't it telling that Negroponte, the architect of the Honduran Death Squads, is now National Security Advisor to GWB?<br><br>Well said, by the way. If only more people understood the whys of the immigration issue and chose to speak up about it. I am actually involved in producing a documentary about the immigration crisis and why Mexico is in the state that it is now. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:45 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They never research the fact that much of the Mexican population that is "indigenous" does not have any rights under their Constitution and how NAFTA is intrisically involved in all that.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Hot air<br><br>That's just not true in the case of AJ...he knows a lot about Mexican history and the damage NAFTA has done. He also thinks the pressure needs to come down hard on corporations, and that the Mexicans need to deal with their oligarchs and internal racism issues of their own. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Jun 09, 2006 4:55 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Hot air<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Sorry, are you saying that I am full of hot air just because you disagree with me? Discuss the point, not me. There is no need for you to get personal about this. We are just discussing a point here.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>That's just not true in the case of AJ...he knows a lot about Mexican history and the damage NAFTA has done. He also thinks the pressure needs to come down hard on corporations, and that the Mexicans need to deal with their oligarchs and internal racism issues of their own.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I have frankly never gotten the impression that AJ knows enough about Mexican history to understand the "why" of why Mexicans come to America. I've never seen him talk about Chiapas, or the Zapatistas, or the San Andres accords, or the military occupation of the states of Chiapas and Tabasco, or about the state of the poor in places like Guatemala and how the indigenous have practically no rights under the Mexican Constitution, and relate it all back to the immmigration issue.<br><br>All I hear is about Aztlan, how "they" are invading us, how we need better border security, and so on and so on. He falls hook, line, and sinker for the Socialist propaganda and never gets below the surface arguments. It's knee-jerk reactionary stuff. It never takes the time to dissect the situation and cull out what is really going on. It's just "Mexicans" to him and that couldn't be more ignorant of what is going on in Mexico. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:08 pm

again parts of that are not true.<br><br><br>He has touched on Chiapas several times, although I suppose he should make more effort to outline the concerns more. It's not a Mexican history show. Being from Austin and being it impossible not to come into contact with Mexican culture personally, he claims he's forged many great relationships with Mexican Americans.Generally He is not opposed to Mexicans that want to come here and be "Americans".<br>What I hear him take issue with are Mexican seperatists or white seperatists or black seperatists. He feels if they want to to come here, they should adopt the culture just as you'd be forced to adopt the culture of any foreign place you would wish to reside. But in his experiences(again Texas) he's seeing largely the opposite from these newcomers. So he's running with this theory that immigration is being used as a tool of the fascists in the form of a 5th column. I don't know about all that. But I've definetly heard him talk about the conditions in Mexico(which he claims are the direct result of the globalists policies, the same globalists orchestrating this mass migration), and how this will open the door to having Mexican soldiers patrolling the streets of the US the same way they do in Chiapas and Tabasco. Not being without precident he explains that they've already brought in Mexican troops to New Orleans as a conditioning manouver.<br><br>In my opinion He does over emphasize how the Mexican seperatists adore the Aztec culture, I believe that to be a minority <br>of the total movement, but he does like to use it to bolster his point that they don't plan on integrating. On the flipside the immigrants would be wise to not plaster that type of thing all over their protest posters. <br><br>I don't think it's "Just Mexicans" to him, but more like "just Globalist shenanigans" that he feels will be the deathblow to the country.<br><br>Sorry, maybe "hot air" is a bit over the top, but I honestly have heard him discuss internal micro situations going on south of the border, and how US policy, orchestrated by globalists, is to blame for some of it. I'll refrain from that term in the future, it wasn't meant personally. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby CyberChrist » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:11 pm

No harm done. I just don't want things to get testy as we seem to agree on most issues, if not directly then certainly in principle. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I have a lot of respect for Alex Jones and I even host my sites with him to give him a bit of an income boost. I'm happy to hear that he does talk about what is going on with Chiapas and the link between that struggle and the ultimate desire of Mexicans to just leave and find better opportunity elsewhere. <p>--<br>CyberChrist<br>http://www.hackerjournal.org<br>My brain is hung like a horse.</p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:25 pm

I forgot to add, <br><br>There was one whole show in particular where he had the professor of Mexican history from UT on. and they spent a lot of time talking about Mexican and early Texas history. The professor seemed fairly impressed with his knowledge. <br><br>You might want to search out that show,I learned some things myself. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Connut » Fri Jun 09, 2006 6:45 pm

It makes me mad when here is all this criticism of Alex - a regular guy with a wife and a couple of kids - who, no matter what you think of his style, is passionately involved in maintaining his country and the constitution. He is actually doing something, making a noise, standing up for all he believes in - and he, like us, gets mad, gets depressed, gets downhearted - but still continues TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. And all we got is this lousy blog (no offence, Jeff). When we get out there and stick our necks out as far as Alex has, then maybe we have the right to criticize him. I'm not personally a fan of the preacher style but, by God, Alex is putting his money where his mouth is - how about us? Isn't it time we got off our fat cans and lend a hand instead of sitting back and acting like we're movie critics who can't get our lily whites dirty? Connut <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Here's the story in the Ottawa Citizen

Postby StarmanSkye » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:04 pm

Excellant observations, DE; US elites thru the World Bank, IMF and Trade Policies are intended to subvert third world political and economic autonomy, preventing exactly those Government tax and investment incentives that have allowed the growth of the Middle Class and the power/influence of the American Plutocracy by way of corporations to develop such an advantageous position in global finance and political reach.<br><br>The immigration 'issue' has its origins in the west's disasterous colonial and neo-colonial foreign policies of plunder and satrap fiefdoms, now being spun for political advantage and to leverage corporation's insatiable demand for cheap labour and improved quarterly reports. The last thing the ruling elites want are third world peoples actually achieving a measure of democratic self-rule pluralism and economic prosperity. The same WASP bigots who claim 3rd world nations are poor and 'backward' because the people are lazy wouldn't last a half-day in a peasant work crew, or that they're not 'practical and efficient problem-solvers' haven't seen what ingenuity to keep a tractor, truck or fishing-boat working long past its average life is inspired by not having access to or funds for modern replacement parts.<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alex Jones Detained On Orders Of Bilderberg Group in Can

Postby zjurhgvc » Fri Jun 09, 2006 7:05 pm

Umm...so the Europeans who came to America should logically have adapted to Native American culture? The Africans were left little choice--but they should DEFINITELY stop listening to and performing that awful music--they need to fit into "Our" culture. And, why, the Chinese! They need to learn to speak English better, too! How is it that we allow those exclusivist ethnic enclaves, those Chinatowns? And the Irish and Italians--we would have been much better off if they hadn't tried to not fit in for so long.<br><br>The whole 'Mexican' thing is a massive mindjob being perpetrated on the 'American' people, out of some truths, some half-truths, and an enormous amount of lies. Meanwhile, the anti-Castro Cubans are practically driving policy, and a lot of other things, besides. How come we don't hear about them? <br><br>Let's look at it the other way around--guess who goes abroad in huge numbers to take jobs away from qualified 'host country national' professionals? You got it--Peace Corps Volunteers, USAID officials, and hordes of other administrators and consultants. And we're not the only country that does this--experts from around the world get paid much, much better overseas than in their own countries, by the laws of the countries themselves and the countries who export them (where do you think all those extra European PhDs go to teach? The US and all over their former colonies). <br><br>I've lived this reality in Latin America and it is a very sore point. Host country elite parasites--the ones who REALLY love out-migration (it's called the 'safety valve'--getting rid of the discontents the cheap way, and providing the number one contribution to GNP as well)--get foreign consultants essentially for free and thus don't need to spend their own budgets to hire their own people. They can pocket their budgets instead. The Peace Corps was infamous for several decades in supplying teachers and other 'experts' (who usually didn't know shit, having to be trained in their tasks before becoming Volunteers) who then took the jobs of local people. There have been lawsuits against Peace Corps and against the agencies it contracts with for this reason.<br><br>A USAID consultant from the US will make at very least $150 a day, and often far, far more, plus a generous allowance including staying in the best-fortified 5-star hotel and nice receptions; the qualified host-country professional with an identical degree, let's say from a US university--and who speaks the native language like a native and not like a gringo--will be lucky to earn $150 a week if they are lucky enough to actually get a consultant job as well. If they are simply working for AID's partner agency, they may see $150 in a month. The entire system is unbelievably exploitative and disgusting, and I haven't even mentioned how it works in the corporate world. Thanks to corporate globalization and such things as NAFTA and CAFTA, local businesses and franchises are being put out of business because it is more profitable to opena a McDonalds--not because locals like to eat at McDs, but because local food is no longer available. There have existed local hamburger franchises, but owners now don't have to pay taxes on foreign franchises. Meanwhile, most gringos just think that US-based stores and restaurants are opening everywhere because host country nationals are jettisoning their own cultures, so much do they love that of 'America.'<br><br>I could go on and on., but basically teh point is that most Latin Americans understand the Open Veins of Latin America (read Galeano), not to mention the Monroe Doctrine, have internalized 5 centuries of oppression, can do a rudimentary class analysis, and also know what happens in most cases when you stand up to your government and the elites in power. They have opted for the safety valve and they see all this as payback; most would rather stay in their home countries but they have to provide for their families.<br><br>Our corporations largely control the world and certainly have virtually enslaved Latin America since the mid- to late-1800s. But now we are all freaked out by a few 'Aztlan' followers who would like to take back the Western US?<br><br>By the way, guess who freed their slaves first? Guess who provided equal rights to many minorities, including women, before us? Guess which countries AREN'T run by fanatical, right-wing Christians and aren't drowning in evangelical Christianity? Even the idea of evolution not being taught in schools in many Latin American countries would be as ridiculous as it is in Europe. In many ways, we're the backward ones.<br><br>This is also a reason that Bolivia is experiencing a revolution, and other countries are not. It is too far away from the US, and it is extremely difficult for Bolivians to get here; many of the poorest have actually stayed. If the pporest knew that they had no way out of Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, Mexico, etc., there would be revolutions within all those countries within a year. Unlike in the US, in Latin America people constantly organize en masse to strike and to protest, to negotiate, to have peaceful marches (little of this is covered on the mainstream media), but most of those protesting can only stay alive in any case because of whatever is sent back by families in the States. As far as I know, they don't have 'free speech' zones in Latin America...<br><br>The issue might solve itself this way--the US economy will collapse, and it will no longer be attractive for immigrants. <p></p><i></i>
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