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Icke's royal bloodline theory

Postby jingofever » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:23 pm

I'm not too familiar with it. What I understand is that he believes elites descended from royalty and are part a reptilian bloodline that enables them to shapeshift. Wikipedia offers this quotation (uncited) under "David Icke":<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Rothschilds, Rockefellers, the British royal family, and the ruling political and economic families of the U.S. and the rest of the world come from these SAME bloodlines. It is not because of snobbery, it is to hold as best they can a genetic structure — the reptilian-mammalian DNA combination which allows them to 'shape-shift'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>How does that square with this:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Everyone on Earth Has Royal Roots<br>By Matt Crenson<br>Associated Press<br>posted: 01 July 2006<br>01:16 pm ET<br>        <br>Actress Brooke Shields has a pretty impressive pedigree—hanging from her family tree are Catherine de Medici and Lucrezia Borgia, Charlemagne and El Cid, William the Conquerer and King Harold, vanquished by William at the Battle of Hastings.<br><br>Shields also descends from five popes, a whole mess of early New England settlers, and the royal houses of virtually every European country. She counts renaissance pundit Niccolo Machiavelli and conquistador Hernando Cortes as ancestors.<br><br>What is it about Brooke? Well, nothing—at least genealogically.<br><br>Even without a documented connection to a notable forebear, experts say the odds are virtually 100 percent that every person on Earth is descended from one royal personage or another.<br><br>"Millions of people have provable descents from medieval monarchs,'' said Mark Humphrys, a genealogy enthusiast and professor of computer science at Dublin City University in Ireland. "The number of people with unprovable descents must be massive.''<br><br>By the same token, for every king in a person's family tree there are thousands and thousands of nobodies whose births, deaths and lives went completely unrecorded by history. We'll never know about them, because until recently vital records were a rarity for all but the noble classes.<br><br>It works the other way, too. Anybody who had children more than a few hundred years ago is likely to have millions of descendants today, and quite a few famous ones.<br><br>Take King Edward III, who ruled England during the 14th century and had nine children who survived to adulthood. Among his documented descendants are presidents (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Zachary Taylor, both Roosevelts), authors (Jane Austen, Lord Byron, Alfred Lord Tennyson, Elizabeth Barrett Browning), generals (Robert E. Lee), scientists (Charles Darwin) and actors (Humphrey Bogart, Audrey Hepburn, Brooke Shields). Some experts estimate that 80 percent of England's present population descends from Edward III.<br><br>A slight twist of fate could have prevented the existence of all of them. In 1312 the close adviser and probable lover of Edward II, Piers Gaveston, was murdered by a group of barons frustrated with their king's ineffectual rule. The next year the beleaguered king produced the son who became Edward III.<br><br>Had Edward II been killed along with Gaveston in 1312—a definite possibility at the time—Edward III would never have been born. He wouldn't have produced the lines of descent that ultimately branched out to include all those presidents, writers and Hollywood stars—not to mention everybody else.<br><br>Of course, the only reason we're talking about Edward III is that history remembers him. For every medieval monarch there are countless long-dead nobodies whose intrigues, peccadilloes and luck have steered the course of history simply by determining where, when and with whom they reproduced.<br><br>The longer ago somebody lived, the more descendants a person is likely to have today. Humphrys estimates that Muhammad, the founder of Islam, appears on the family tree of every person in the Western world.<br><br>Some people have actually tried to establish a documented line between Muhammad, who was born in the 6th century, and the medieval English monarchs, and thus to most if not all people of European descent. Nobody has succeeded yet, but one proposed lineage comes close. Though it runs through several strongly suspicious individuals, the line illustrates how lines of descent can wander down through the centuries, connecting famous figures of the past to most of the people living today.<br><br>The proposed genealogy runs through Muhammad's daughter Fatima. Her husband Ali, also a cousin of Muhammad, is considered by Shiite Muslims the legitimate heir to leadership of Islam.<br><br>Ali and Fatima had a son, al-Hasan, who died in 670. About three centuries later, his ninth great-grandson, Ismail, carried the line to Europe when he became Imam of Seville.<br><br>Many genealogists dispute the connection between al-Hasan and Ismail, claiming that it includes fictional characters specifically invented by medieval genealogists trying to link the Abbadid dynasty, founded by Ismail's son, to Muhammad.<br><br>The Abbadid dynasty was celebrated for making Seville a great cultural center at a time when most of Europe was mired in the Dark Ages. The last emir in that dynasty was supposed to have had a daughter named Zaida, who is said to have changed her name to Isabel upon converting to Christianity and marrying Alfonso VI, king of Castile and Leon.<br><br>Yet there is no good evidence demonstrating that Isabel, who bore one son by Alfonso VI, is the same person as Zaida. So the line between Muhammad and the English monarchs probably breaks again at this point.<br><br>But if you give the Zaida/Isabel story the benefit of the doubt too, the line eventually leads to Isabel's fifth great-granddaughter Maria de Padilla (though it does encounter yet another potentially fictional character in the process).<br><br>Maria married another king of Castile and Leon, Peter the Cruel. Their great-great-granddaughter was Queen Isabel, who funded the voyages of Christopher Columbus. Her daughter Juana married a Hapsburg, and eventually gave rise to a Medici, a Bourbon and long line of Italian princes and dukes, spreading the Mohammedan line of descent all over Europe.<br><br>Finally, 43 generations from Mohammed, you reach an Italian princess named Marina Torlonia.<br><br>Her granddaughter is Brooke Shields.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.livescience.com/history/ap_royal_roots.html">www.livescience.com/histo...roots.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Oh well......

Postby slimmouse » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:30 pm

<br><br> At least mohhammed ( I assume thats who he means) has descendants who this guy appears to know about <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> Somebodys obviously gotten scared of Ickey recently.<br><br> Love to have a look at Matts CV.<br><br> Meanwhile, I guess Ive never traced my own royal lineage. Anyone here done so ?<br><br> I guess im the 245th cousin of some remote royal lineage somewhere.<br><br> Not the 12th of the queen mom though ( Bush) <p></p><i></i>
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And BTW...

Postby slimmouse » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:33 pm

<br> Ask yourself what happened to Edward VIII, when he fell in love with a commoner.<br><br> That was less than 80 years ago.<br><br> Then GET with the programme <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Icke's royal bloodline theory

Postby bvonahsen » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:43 pm

There are almost as many ways to play games with geneology as there are in statistics. You can also play simular games with numbers like the old "pick any number and I'll guess what it is..." This parlor trick relies on well known properties of number theory. None of the above are miraculous, they are slieght of hand.<br><br>David does have a few good things to say but he is completely gullible and accepts anything anyone tells him. Like reptillians materializing out of thin air, just on someone's say so. Or crop circles, which are complete bunk. And on and on and on...<br><br>But mixed in is just enough truth to make it appear.... welll... <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>almost</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> plausible. <br><br>There are true wonders and mysteries in this world, shape-shifting reptillians aren't one of them, thank god, or blessed be or whomever. <p></p><i></i>
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And Eddy marries a commoner ?

Postby slimmouse » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:56 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There are almost as many ways to play games with geneology as there are in statistics.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Too funny.<br><br> meanwhile, Old Eddy 8 marries a commoner, and for some apparently (if you are to be believed) amazingly strange coincidence, he is forced to abdicate. The only guy in our noble history incidentally.<br><br> Let me tell you something BV.<br><br> Once of a day, I too, thought it was nothing but mere coincidence that the FBI could find a terrorist passport amidst the rubble of the Twin towers, whilst at the same time all the black boxes were dissolved in the heat and sheer volume of the explosion <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: And Eddy marries a commoner ?

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:20 pm

Icke is, well, icky when it comes to some of the stuff he promotes, but I've got to say that he's one of the few big-selling authors who will talk to government mind control program survivors and actually get their stories out to a large audience. Most have to self-publish if they want anyone to know what happened to them. One of the things that really, really impressed me about the RI blog is that Jeff interviewed a very (in MHO) credible survivor--Kathleen Sullivan--in a respectful and thoughtful manner.<br><br>But Icke is a lot less discerning, unfortunately. One of my favorite Icke stories is from Cathy O'Brien (not exactly a bastion of discernment herself) who repeatedly told him that she did NOT see GHW Bu$h turn into an alien reptile at all....she saw him <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">try out a holo-projection device on himself that appeared to replace his head with that of an alien reptilian</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->. But, over and over again, she heard that Icke was insisting upon repeating the story inaccurately and using it to support his own wild theories, despite her correcting him each time.<br><br>The main reason I'm now learning how to do genealogy is see if I have any indication in my family tree of why I was selected as a small child for an MKULTRA era MC program. That doesn't mean that I put any stock in the Illuminati obsession with bloodlines myself, but I have seen evidence that they do have markers that they look for when selecting victims. And I have a niece and a nephew who were raised by a Jesuit-educated father. So I'm curious about our antecedants.<br><br>BTW, that most recent public fascination with bloodlines that was sparked by Baigent, Lincoln and Leigh's supposedly non-fictional "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and its supposedly fictional offspring "The DaVinci Code" is based upon very shaky ground--the original authors' primary source turned out to be a con-man who planted fake documents in the French National Library. And they got some of their "begats" wrong, too.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: And Eddy marries a commoner ?

Postby bkkexile » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:43 pm

Wasn't John Kerry supposed to win the last election due to his 'superior' royal descent? Icke brought to my attention that all the Presidential victors for a long time had had 'stronger' noble bloodlines than their opponent. This statistic came from some geneaological 'bible' out of the UK (name escapes me but I 'verified' it). <br><br>And apparently JK had more royal blood cells than Dubya, so he shoulda won. The illuminati wuz robbed! Robbed I tells ya! <p></p><i></i>
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A Test

Postby Pah » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:23 am

Open two windows in your browser:<br><br>In one google `pics of queen mum`<br>In the other `pics of George Bush senior`.<br><br>Select and minimise one pic of each (facial close-up best) and compare them side by side at face value and tell me what you see??? <br><br>Continue test with the following:<br><br>Queen/Ronnie Reagan<br>P.Charles/Blair<br><br>and my personal fave, <br><br>Elton/Robbie.<br><br>EWS.<br><br>ps. For a reversal of the results just compare Harry/Charles!<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pah@rigorousintuition>Pah</A> at: 7/3/06 11:39 pm<br></i>
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Re: A Test

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 7:48 am

Royal bloodlines.<br><br>How many asian men are apparantly descended from a particular Khan?<br><br>I heard there is a huge percentage of asian men, so that means a huge percentage of the population of the planet, descended from someone who lived after Jesus. (Have no ref for the Kahn theory, but have heard it so many times over the years that true or false, its obviously accepted as true.)<br><br>What about the 7 sisters (What, 7 sisters, who where??)<br><br>Worldwide the myth of the 7 sisters appears time and again. In all sorts of forms, they are archetypal.<br><br>Anyone ever hear anything that could imply a connection between that myth and DNA? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A Test

Postby Iroquois » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:59 pm

Joe Hillshoist,<br><br>In a couple of searches I came across very different theorized numbers for Khan's descendants, but those numbers are still based on conjecture as far as I know. It basically involves working backward from one or more common sequences of DNA molecules in the Y chromosome of Asian men that seem to lead to a common male ancestor in the 12th/13th century and suppose, since Khan was believed to have sired many children, that it must be from him. Oxford Ancestors offers a service where they will test a man's correlation for various paternal lineages, including descent from the the alleged Khan.<br><br>They have a similar service that identifies ancestry among one of 36 matrilinial lines based on a person's mitochondrial DNA. They refer to the 7 matrons that are the source of nearly all Europeans as the "Seven Daughters of Eve". Though, I think this is more of an attempt to use the Seven Sisters myth to market their product to their primary demographic rather than an attempt to essentialize those particular mDNA lineages.<br><br>36 World Clans: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.oxfordancestors.com/images/pdf_worldclans1.pdf">www.oxfordancestors.com/i...clans1.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>7 Daughters of Eve: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.oxfordancestors.com/images/pdf_sevendaughters1.pdf">www.oxfordancestors.com/i...hters1.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The multi-cultural myth phenomenon of the Seven Sisters (as personifications of the Pleiades star cluster) is a pretty interesting topic, but one I'm not all that well versed in. I have not, however, run across a tradition that views them as ancestors of 7 corresponding "Tribes of Man". I would guess if there is such a myth, it is relatively modern, but not based on mDNA.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: A Test

Postby friend catcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:14 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The multi-cultural myth phenomenon of the Seven Sisters (as personifications of the Pleiades star cluster) is a pretty interesting topic, but one I'm not all that well versed in.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I had someone start talking to me outside a petrol station two years ago about that star cluster, as the makers badge of my car uses it. I'd never paid it any attention before or since but the old guy went off on a mystical discourse where 7 sisters was mentioned. I ended up trying to get away without seeming too rude and had no idea what he was talking about. My friend was really fascinated and kept him going. It was only after ten minutes of weird talk that I counted the stars on the badge and realized ther were six, and said so. He got pissed off and told me that in Japan only six of the stars are visible and they had to look really hard for the seventh. Pretty sure he tried to curse me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 7 sisters

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jul 04, 2006 1:21 pm

Over the years I have come across countless variations from just about everywhere.<br><br>I find it interesting thats all. After reading about Stanleys work on non codified DNA sequences conforming to linguistic tests, well tests of text for linguistic properties, it seems it could just be one of those spontaneous things. Which is even more interesting...<br><br>But thanks for the details all the same, I wasn't aware it applied only to europeans, tho recently I heard there was no way to use DNA differences to determine race, so maybe it is an across the planet thing. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 7 sisters

Postby LilyPatToo » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:10 pm

Actually, there have to be DNA differences to determine race, since things like skin color are derived from random but beneficial mutations and natural selection due to just how beneficial the differences turn out to be. ie. slightly darker skin appearing in a sunnier climate or being short and squat in a very cold climate.<br><br>But the differences are miniscule, compared to the entire genome, hence the well-meant statements that there's no difference, genetically-speaking, between races.<br><br>Unfortunately, despite the vanishingly small differences, there are folks laboring even as we speak to create genetically differentiating bioweapons.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 7 sisters

Postby anothershamus » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:00 pm

friend catcher; the stars on your car emblem match the bolt pattern in the rear end of your car. I was a taxi driver in anchorage ak and following all the cars I saw the rear ends and matched them up with the logo. whether they match up with a star cluster or not I do not know. I really like the idea of the politicians being alien as it would explain a whole lot. One of my friends was distracted watching d. rumsfeld on the tv and he had a moment, out of the corner of his field of vision, of seeing rummy as a mantis insectoid. When he looked directly at the tv he just saw rummy. I noticed that angela merkel and rumsfeld both like to do the hand thing. right after I noticed that I kept looking for pics of them togeather and saw them side by side at press boxes and both of them were wearing black their hands hidden from view and their shoulders were hunched. really weird, They looked like the mantis side kick on space ghost coast to coast. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 7 sisters

Postby friend catcher » Tue Jul 04, 2006 4:18 pm

thanks for that and I had a similar experience watching a UK politician called Hazel Blears. Talking about Gauntanemo blahblahblah, Suddenly reacted quite strangely and thought you're not human,empty eyes like a shark, - no soul, if you get my drift. Strong stuff for me as I don't relate to terms like that. As for car badges I just googled and <br> <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"SUBARU" is a Japanese word meaning "unite." It is also a term identifying the Pleiades star cluster in the constellation Taurus that includes six stars visible to the average eye. According to Greek mythology, Atlas' daughters turned into this group of stars.<br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Which I never new. Going to check the bolt pattern now and see what's there <p></p><i></i>
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