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Postby yathrib » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:56 am

Masons are bad because they aren't as "Christian" as the author thinks himself to be. <p></p><i></i>
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at the top the Masons

Postby bamabecky » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:52 pm

at the very top (not sure how far down it goes - one book said 33rd degree) are Luciferian (definitely NOT Christian). This is also true of the Jesuits (4th vow and above). Lower levels of Masons are clueless and hoodwinked into thinking masons are a good thing. They are NOT! Lower level Jesuits suffer the same illusions. <br><br>The average American Mason is really a good guy who has no clue what he has gotten himself into. Try telling one of them and see how far you get with it.<br><br>Anyone with a 33rd degree gets automatic SERIOUS scrutiny from me. I will not vote for one.<br><br>So, Nemo how about your father was he a Mason also? My grandfather, uncle and father were all 32nd degree, they were not promoted any higher because they believed and worshiped Jesus Christ, as do I.<br>Bama<br> <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>
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Re: at the top the Masons

Postby professorpan » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:46 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> This is also true of the Jesuits (4th vow and above).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Bullshit. If you have a source that isn't a fundie Christian, please post. Otherwise, bullshit. <p></p><i></i>
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Everybody has an opinion

Postby bamabecky » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:07 am

You are certainly entitled to yours Professor. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">I will not get into a spat with you over sources.</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> YOU will not be persuaded no mater how many sources were listed. I could say your remark was "this pejorative" or "that", but again, I refuse to throw gas on your fire. Flame away while I walk away. <br>Bama<br> <p>Be the Media! Write a personal essay to your friends and family, telling them what's going on and tell them how and where to find more info.</p><i></i>
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Re: Everybody has an opinion

Postby professorpan » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:36 am

Well, if you are going to "be the media!" as your sig suggests, you should act like an honest reporter and offer a source. Otherwise, why should I pay attention or care? <br><br>And don't give me the "you won't be persuaded" crap. I've been persuaded to believe things I thought were bullshit -- when sufficient evidence was presented to me.<br><br>That's all I'm asking. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Everybody has an opinion

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Fri Jun 09, 2006 2:08 am

i have been persuaded that notwithstanding this lodge or that lodge's dubious activities, that the freemasons are on the whole not the bad guys theyve been made out to be.<br><br><br>of course, there goes any shred of credibility i ever had here. but fuck it. and no, im not a mason. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Everybody has an opinion

Postby yathrib » Fri Jun 09, 2006 9:17 am

Homeslice:<br><br>It's like i said before. If these reactionaries and troglodytes hate the Masons, than they can't be all bad. Would you want to live in a world run by some of these antimasons? Not me! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Everybody has an opinion

Postby dbeach » Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:26 pm

The Killing of the King<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Everybody has an opinion

Postby dbeach » Sat Jun 10, 2006 7:29 pm

The use of terms like "Bullshit " and other insults are a proven method to silence debate and seem to be used by the same so-called fellow travlers.<br><br>Believe what ya want BUT the hieracrchy of EVERY organiaztion seems to be corrupt and self serving SOS<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html">www.revisionisthistory.or...ill33.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>"Preface to King-Kill/ 33: James Shelby Downard's Vision<br>This excerpt from the essay "King-Kill/33" has been out of print since 1987 and the publication of the first edition of Adam Parfrey's conspiracy anthology, 'Apocalypse Culture.' Subsequent editions of 'Apocalypse Culture' (including the current Feral House edition), do not carry it. <br><br>The Campaign for Radical Truth in History (<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hoffman-info.com)">www.hoffman-info.com)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> is pleased to make this excerpt available once again, on the occasion of the 33rd anniversary of the immolation of America's only Catholic president, John Fitzgerald Kennedy. May his surviving murderers be yet brought to justice. <br><br>Convicted Mafia hit-man Charles Harrelson, a suspected Kennedy assassin, is incarcerated in a Federal prison for the contract killing of a federal judge. (The suspect is the father of "Natural Born Killer" movie star Woody Harrelson, who was directed by "JFK" filmmaker Oliver Stone). Journalists have thus far shown little interest in attempting to interview the senior Harrelson and persuade him to provide information which might lead to the arrest and conviction of those responsible for Kennedy's killing. <br><br><br><br>KING-KILL/33° <br>Masonic Symbolism in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy<br><br><br>The information I present in these pages on the Kennedy assassination is well-known to certain news agencies who have chosen to suppress it, just as the motivation for the assassination has been plunged into cryonic secrecy. Masonic betrayal of the "common man" involves archetypes of fertility and death symbolism seemingly motivated to bring about syncretism in opposing principles in order to green Israel, rebuild the Temple of Solomon and establish a One World government. <br><br>It is by way of Masonic sorcery that the union of opposing principles is supposed to be brought about. The criminals who stage-managed Dallas in the killing of Kennedy have controlled the American people's will in exchange for a sleep without nightmares. I publish this in the wake of the situation Charles Seymour alluded to: "The moralist unquestionably secures wide support; but he also wearies his audience." Most Americans are beyond being tired; the revelations have benumbed them.<br><br>Most Freemasons apparently have no idea of the evil that is part of Masonry, and if they do know about it they don't believe it. The same holds true for most members of the "Clandestine Lodges" and Masonic-oriented fraternal organizations as well as Androgynous Masonic Societies.<br><br>It is certain that onomatology, or the science of names, forms a very interesting part of the investigations of the higher Masonry.... --(Encyclopedia of Freemasonry) <br><br>When the ancients saw a scapegoat, they could at least recognize him for what he was: a pharmakos, a human sacrifice. When modern man sees one, he does not, or refuses to, recognize him for what he IS; instead he looks for "scientific" explanations-to explain away the obvious.<br><br>--Thomas Szasz, (Ceremonial Chemistry)<br><br>The "science of names" word wizardry forms only one segment of the science of symbolism used by Masons. The JFK assassination encounters this science in a decisive way and contains a veritable nightmare of symbol-complexes having to do with violence, perversion, conspiracy, death and degradation. These elements are important not only as cause-and-effect in the murder of a president but in the ensuing reaction of the people of America and the world.<br><br>The fertility and death symbolism in the "Killing of the King" rite which is part of Greening Ritualism that has to do with JFK, has been suppressed because examination of it must necessarily link it to "Freemasonry" and its mysticism, as well as to the political influence it exerts. Obviously this would do some damage to public confidence in:<br><br>a. Masonic progressivism. i.e. Iiberty, equality, fraternity.<br><br>b. Those who have shielded the conspirators.<br><br>c. The entire mental concept that passes for knowledge about the genuine nature of the government of the United States.<br><br>Mystical Toponomy<br><br>Mystical toponomy incorporates word wizardry (onomatology) and the Masonic science of symbolism. In considering my data it would be helpful to consider a dictum of Einsteinian physics: "Time relations among events are assumed to be first constituted by the specific physical relations obtaining between them."<br><br>My study of place names imbued with sorcerous significance necessarily includes lines of latitude and longitude and the divisions of degrees in geography and cartography (minutes and seconds). <br><br>Let us take as an example the "Mason Road" in Texas that connects to the "Mason No El Bar" and the Texas-New Mexico ("The Land of Enchantment") border. This connecting line is on the 32nd degree. The 32nd degree is the penultimate Masonic degree awarded. When this 32nd degree of latitude is traced west into the "Land of Enchantment" it becomes situated midway between Deming and Columbus, New Mexico. <br><br>Slightly to the north of the town of Columbus are the Tres Hermanas (three sisters) mountains. It is approximately 32 miles between Deming and Columbus. The Three Sisters mountains are a minute and some seconds south of the 32nd degree line. When this line is traced further west it passes the ghost town of Shakespeare at a distance south of the town which is roughly equivalent to the distance which the 32nd degree line passes north of the Three Sisters mountains. The names "Shakespeare" and "Three Sisters" find a connection in the tragedy Macbeth which comprises such a large part of JFK assassination imagery.<br><br>When this 32nd degree line is traced a little distance farther west, into Arizona, it crosses an old trail which meandered north of what is now another ghost town but which at one time was called the town of "Ruby." Part of the old winding trail became known as the "Ruby Road." The town of Ruby acquired its name officially on April 11, 1912, and was notorious for many brutal murders which had ritual aspects. Four of these homicides occurred in a store attached to the post office which had been erected over the grave of a Catholic priest.<br><br>Continuing on with mystical toponomy, one encounters the fact that Ruby road twists north into the area known as the Kennedy and Johnson mountains.<br><br>Johnson Mountain is supposedly named after the general manager of the Peabody Mining Company who also had a town named after him which was the location of the Keystone and Peabody copper mines. The 32nd degree of latitude is but a few seconds from Johnson. In this frontier town on a December evening, 1883, a Colonel Mike Smith and a man Mason were ambushed by gunfighters described as being of questionable reputation and questionable character. These terms are employed in Masonic writings:<br><br>He [Captain William Morgan, victim of an early 19th century torture-murder by Masons] was a man of questionable character and dissolute habits, and his enmity to Masonry originated in his refusal of the Masons of Leroy. (Encyclopedia of Freemasonry).<br><br>A "keystone" is the designation for which, when set in place, "keys" or locks the whole. A symbolic keystone is vital to the legend of the Masonic Royal Arch Degree of York. The earliest known record of such a degree is in the annals of the city of Fredericksburg, Virginia, on December 22, 1753. Fredericksburg is also the location of the "House of the Rising Sun," a masonic meeting place for such notables as founding fathers George Washington and Benjamin Franklin (of Hell-Fire Club fame) and George Mason.<br><br>The Killing of the King<br><br>Never allow anyone the luxury of assuming that because the dead and deadening scenery of the American city-of-dreadful-night is so utterly devoid of mystery, so thoroughly flat-footed, sterile and infantile, so burdened with the illusory gloss of "baseball-hot dogs-apple-pie-and-Chevrolet" that it is somehow outside the psycho-sexual domain. <br><br>The eternal pagan psychodrama is escalated under these "modern" conditions precisely because sorcery is not what 20th century man can accept as real. Thus the "Killing of the King" rite of November, 1963 is alternately diagnosed as a conflict Needless to say, each of these groups has a place in the symbolism having to do with the Kennedy assassination.<br><br>But the ultimate purpose of that assassination was not political or economic but sorcerous: for the control of the dreaming mind and the marshalling of its forces is the omnipotent force in this entire scenario of lies, cruelty and degradation. Something died in the American people on November 22, 1963-call it idealism, innocence or the quest for moral excellence. It is the transformation of human beings which is the authentic reason and motive for the Kennedy murder and until so-called conspiracy theorists can accept this very real element they will be reduced to so many eccentrics amusing a tiny remnant of dilettantes and hobbyists.<br><br>President Kennedy and his wife left the Temple Houston and were met at midnight by tireless crowds present to cheer the virile "Sun God" and his dazzlingly erotic wife, the "Queen of Love and Beauty," in Fort Worth. On the morning of November 22, they flew to Gate 28 at Love Field, Dallas, Texas. The number 28 is one of the correspondences of Solomon in kabbalistic numerology; the Solomonic name assigned to 28 is "Beale." <br><br>On the 28th degree of latitude in the state of Texas is the site of what was once the giant "Kennedy ranch." On the 28th degree is also Cape Canaveral from which the moon flight was launched-made possible not only by the President's various feats but by his death as well, for the placing of the Freemasons on the moon could occur only after the Killing of the King. The 28th degree of Templarism is the "King of the Sun" degree. The President and First Lady arrived in Air Force One, code-named "Angel."<br><br>The motorcade proceeded from Love Field to Dealey Plaza. Dealey Plaza is the site of the Masonic temple in Dallas (now razed) and there is a marker attesting to this fact in the plaza. <br><br>Important "protective" strategy for Dealey Plaza was planned by the New Orleans CIA station whose headquarters were a Masonic temple building. Dallas, Texas is located ten miles north of the 33rd degree of latitude. The 33rd degree is the highest in Freemasonry and the founding lodge of the Scottish Rite in America was created in Charleston, South Carolina, exactly on the 33rd degree line. <br><br>Dealey Plaza is close to the Trinity River. At 12:22 p.m. the motorcade proceeded down Main Street toward the Triple Underpass, traveling first down ("Bloody") Elm St. The latter was the scene of numerous gun fights, stabbings and other violence, and it is the location of the Majestic Theatre, the pawn shop/negro district, and industrial district. <br><br>It was also the home of the Blue Front Tavern, a Masonic hangout in the grand tradition of "tavern-Masonry": Sam Adams and the Masons of the American Revolution did much of their conspiring at the Green Dragon Tavern in Boston. One of the many bars claiming the honor of being the first Masonic lodge is the Bunch of Grapes Tavern, also in Boston.<br><br>The Blue Front was the site of the "broken-man" ritual in which various members of the "Brotherhood of the Broom" swept the floor and tended some fierce javelino pigs. The Blue Front was once a fire-house and was still sporting its fire-pole in the late 1920s. This is extremely germane symbolism. The national offices of the Texaco Oil Corporation are located on Elm St., Dallas. Its chief products are "Haviland (javalino) Oil" and "Fire Chief" gasoline.<br><br>On the corner of Bloody Elm and Houston is the "Sexton Building." "Sexton" is heavily laden with graveyard connotations. It is closely associated to the beetles of the genus Necrophorus or Sexton Beetles, so-called because they bury the remains of tiny animals with their eggs.<br><br>Bloody Elm, Main, and Commerce form a trident pattern in alignment with the triple underpass as any Dallas map will show. Many analysts contend that at least three assassins were involved in the crossfire ambush of Kennedy.<br><br>It is a prime tenet of Masonry that its assassins come in threes. Masonic assassins are known in the code of the lodge as the "unworthy craftsmen." Because Masonry is obsessed with earth-as-gameboard (tessellation) and the ancillary alignments necessary to facilitate the "game," it is inordinately concerned with railroads and railroad personnel to the extent that outside of lawyers and circus performers, no other vocation has a higher percentage of Masons than railroad workers.<br><br>Minutes after John Fitzgerald Kennedy was murdered three "hoboes" ("unworthy craftsmen") were arrested at the railyard behind Dealey Plaza.<br><br>No records of their identities have ever been revealed nor the "identity" of the arresting officer. All that remains of those few minutes are a series of photographs which have reached legendary proportions among persons concerned with uncovering the real forces and persons behind the assassination."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Nice to see someone else is up to speed.

Postby slimmouse » Sat Jun 10, 2006 9:43 pm

<br> Nice to see you KNOW the score Dbeach <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> Youve gotta laff sometimes at these people who mock some sources.<br><br> Although I have to admit, I listened to the gatekeeping sheep myself for long enough.<br><br> But of course ultimately, the truth WILL set you free. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nice to see someone else is up to speed.

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:30 am

im starting to see the differences finally.<br><br>there are the "white" lodges and the "black."<br><br>the lines get crossed between them: each infiltrates the other. <br><br>it is a great victory to make the good guys look evil to the world.<br><br>once upon a time, when the masons were firmly at the helm of state, they created a nation where king and pontiff held no sway, and brought enlightenment principles like freedom and liberty, as <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>flawed as those ideas were at the time,</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> and enshrined them as principles of governance that made the USA the light of the world for a long time.<br><br>think about it. if you think the US is one of the best alternatives in the world, warts and all, as a place to hang your hat, thank a mason. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nice to see someone else is up to speed.

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:34 am

look at what happened after the us was formed/declared independence:<br><br>they were infiltrated, undermined, financially, politically, and look how it looked within 100 years: the banks were in charge, the corporations were on the rise, and fascism cmae into the world, as a wee newborn, and began the dance we call the bethlehem slouch.<br><br>now if the masons were so evil and all, why the enormous effort to mess up what they made?<br><br><br>look, im not saying these guys made a true, perfect union...im saying you can learn a lot about a group by looking at their enemies.<br><br>for example, we KNOW damn well that fascism has been arguably the most evil boogyman the world has ever seen. at least i know...how did they feel about the masons?<br><br>who was the first nation to recognize the first masonic republic in the world...it wasnt even france, it was morrocco for gods sakes! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Nice to see someone else is up to speed.

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Sun Jun 11, 2006 12:36 am

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killing of the king

Postby yathrib » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:31 am

I used to be impressed by this essay, but now I think it's one of the most bizarre pieces of B.S. ever written. As Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and K of the K has plenty of the former and *none* of the latter. <br><br>BTW, in reference to Hoffman and Downard, I happen to be one of those old-fashioned leftists who still thinks Nazis are profoundly uncool. And why are these types even concerned about the killing of someone like Kennedy? One would think they'd want to do it themselves... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: killing of the king

Postby dbeach » Sun Jun 11, 2006 1:57 am

MAYBE they did?? ..murder JFK and this is a front piece.<br><br> If most of these crimes and assasinations by the PTB consists of multiple illusions .. MAYBE its another ??<br><br> Illuminati maybe more accurately referred to as Illusionatti <p></p><i></i>
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