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Re: Masonic conspiracy theories

Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Jul 02, 2006 4:29 pm

Good thread on a subject that interests me a lot. It must be remembered that there are a great many people in this world who tend to exhibit a violent allergic reaction to the slightest whiff of a conspiracy. Any conspiracy. I'm married to one, in fact, which has allowed me to observe the effects closely over several decades. I, for whom history seems to be composed mainly of conspiracies, find it very interesting when they are so vehemently denied. There is perhaps some hidden process occurring that isn't immediately obvious, even to the thinker himself--perhaps even a deliberately induced....wait--that sounds like a conspiracy! ;o)<br><br>Actually, I had little interest in the Masonic conspiracy subject until something very strange happened to me in January of 2004. I'd begun walking (and listening to music on a new iPod) in order to lose some weight I'd gained. A decade before, I'd been diagnosed as "highly dissociative", but I had no idea that walking and listening to music was an extremely dissociation-inducing combination for people like me. <br><br>And for that reason, I was very surprised (and upset) when I became aware of what appeared to be an alternate personality that was surfacing in my mind every time I walked one particular route--around Lake Merritt in Oakland, CA. and past a large ornate Scottish Rite Masonic temple. This personality seemed to be fixated on the temple itself and her yearning to get to it was distracting enough that it actually made me walk the Lake more frequently than I would have chosen to do on my own. I dropped 50 lbs. in very little time, in fact, and got my doctor off my back, which was a lovely side effect.<br><br>When I went online to research Multiple Personality Disorder, I found out that it is now referred to as Dissociative Identity Disorder. I also found out some rational answers to personal mysteries, like the fact that a lifetime of "missing time" now made sense (and, happily, without the dubious addition of abducting aliens). But some of this personality's traits were very disturbing--she was 14 and had been a prostitute for as long as she could remember. And she had a powerful, very compelling personal connection to Masonic temples for which she had no explanation. Not to that temple in particular, but to any one anywhere.<br><br>I began digging in my past, which has a lot of large blank spots, for any personal connection to Masons and could come up with only one odd memory of my maternal grandmother telling me that her husband, my grandfather, was secretly a Mason. This is disputed by other members of the family, and all the records I've been able to find have him a member of the Kiwanis Club, not the Masons. He was a well-respected local business owner and politician in my hometown in western PA.<br><br>But I also have a vivid memory of that same grandmother taking me to what I thought was a church for some kind of religious ceremony. I was given a crystal goblet of red wine to drink, which awed me, since I was 4 years old and had been raised Roman Catholic (like my father's side of the family) and thought that only priests got to drink the wine during Mass. And I remember the black and white tiled floor we were standing on, too, since I'd never seen one in a church before. I have loathed them ever since, too, for no reason I can think of.<br><br>My 2+ years of research since that January have led me down some very strange paths. Lily, as the alternate personality calls herself, turns out to be almost identical to alters that many other women have. And since I've begun pursuing this inquiry, I've run into a degree of denial in most people's minds around this subject that I don't think is self-generated at all. I think that there is a "snicker factor" being deliberately inculcated in the American public, particularly, that is serving to deflect inquiries into serious human rights abuses that are ongoing and very, very covert.<br><br>And some of them are said to have been perpetrated inside Masonic buildings after hours, without the knowledge or consent of the rank and file members. While I reject the paranoid ravings of some of the Fundie Christian groups who have posted much of the online information on Masonic conspiracies and I deplore having them for bedfellows in my own research, the fact remains that some of what they say matches up with Lily's information perfectly. Some of it, not all.<br><br>I only discovered Rigorous Intuition recently, so I have no idea if Jeff has addressed this subject, but I'd love a pointer to any articles he's written on this or related subjects. His writing on alien abduction vs. covert/intel ops human abduction (which is how I found this site) is so much more balanced (from my POV) than most of the True Believer/disinfo dreck that I wade through daily that I nearly wept with relief when I read it. Ditto for his great interview of Kathleen Sullivan. I came here hoping to find an active thread on it, but alas....<br><br>LilyPat <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonic conspiracy theories

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:04 pm

lilypat, i remember you from freedomcrowsnest. nice to see you are still around. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masonic conspiracy theories

Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:26 pm

Hi, dude. Yeah, still looking for a place where I'll find real discussions without having to coat myself daily with heavy-duty flame retardant due to having offended True Believers. Or cliques of any other sort. But it ain't easy. I was impressed with Jeff's writing and decided to see if folks here would be able to discuss volatile issues without gratuitous flame-outs. I figure if folks here were attracted to his blog, then we must have some common ground, right?<br><br>LilyPat, Ever Hopeful <p></p><i></i>
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Re: here, lemme help

Postby yesferatu » Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:49 pm

Thanx for the link. I am a fan of the late Frithjof Schuon. I enjoy his studies of American Indian spirituality. They had no BOOK. I haven't read enough Guenon, but personally I am not sure what you meant by "mystic fascism" in regard to the "perennial tradition". Fascism of any sort happens in groups. <br><br>Studying the perennial tradition has merit. <br>If some groups with a hierarchy use that material for group-think adherence, it is just a cult. Schuon had a nice little "cult" going in Bloominton, Indiana of all places prior to his death. That was his prerogative. <br>He "said the group, known as Tariqah Mariamiah, ``is a spiritual society for prayer which exists for those Sufi followers of my principles.'' Schuon also said his ``personal affinity is for the Red Indian cultural form'' but he denied requiring anyone to follow that form. Schuon's interest in Native American religion dates to the 1950s when he studied with and was later adopted by both Sioux and Crow Indian tribes. He has also written extensively about Native Americans, including The Feathered Sun, published in 1990. ``All I ask is that someone accepts what is in my books, prays and accepts certain moral and aesthetic principles,'' he said in the statement."<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.geocities.com/luclablaw/schuon_case_news_file.htm">link to Schuon "scandal"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>"The participants were members of what state police Detective Sgt. Jim Richardson called ``a non-traditional group operating under the guise of religion'' and what a former member of the group labeled a ``cult'' led by Schuon. Richardson said he began his investigation in mid-July after speaking with that former member, Mark Koslow, 35, now of Cleveland, Ohio."<br><br>The only problem with this scandal I found is that the swiss -born Schuon, for some odd reason, decided to form his group in the heart of sick puritanical xtian ameriKa, where anything but amerikan jezuz is prosecutable. <br><br>Schuon's preference was for a religion not founded on any effin "holy" BOOK but on the idea of The Great Spirit, and personal transformation thru personal insights with no hierarchy of dogma. Sure he had books he asked his followers to "accept", but try reading any of his books and tell me there are any classical cult brainwashing techniques...there are none. He blended sufism and Native American spirituality. <br><br>So mystic fascism does not apply, I do not believe. Not with Schuon anyway. Cult leader? Hell, anything not xtian in jezuz's amerika is a "cult". <br>RI, Jeff, and us would be called a cult by such people, and given the opportunity would try to prosecute Jeff. <br>Fascists create fascism after all. Fascism is a human thing, not a belief thing. Xtian prosecutors would love to use the term "mystic fascism" to go after any non-traditional group not following amerikan jezuz conformity.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: here, lemme help

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:04 am

My wife is reading War and Peace at the moment.<br><br>Apparantly its got Freemasons stuff in it.<br><br>They have 3 precepts:<br><br>1. To protect and pass on the mystery, whatever that is.<br><br>And to study it in the knowledge they wll never get it.<br><br>2. To develop yourself in relation to the mystery. To improve yourself to be worthy of it.<br><br>3. In the process to do the same to society. To improve its general "goodness" and improve the lot of everyone.<br><br>It has 7 rules or concepts that the above must fit with.<br><br>Discretion (keep the orders secrets, but could be a deeper concept.)<br><br>Obedience (to higher ranks in the order, which is sooo open to abuse, but even an anarchist like me can recognise some situations where hierarchies work well. Not into blind obedience tho.)<br><br>Morality (nothing wrong with having personal morality, but public morality is a joke.)<br><br>Love of Mankind. (I am assuming thats "humankind, and the old jokes are just that.)<br><br>Courage (always good, better than bravery, which implies a bit of stupidity. Courage involves being aware of the consequences.)<br><br>Generosity. (Always good, especially if its unconditional. The Sufi's supposedly say "Be haughty, but Generous."<br><br>Love of Death (As in love of life -> and death being a part of life, the opposite to birth. Not the opposite to life itself. The idea behind it as explained in the book, is to be fully aware of ones impending (but hopefully distant) death, so as to do better with life, and to love it for the Gift it is.)<br><br><br>A couple of thoughts spring to mind.<br><br>1 Is that where Castenada flogged his ideas from?<br><br>2 It seems preety cool, except for the subtle way obedience to the orders aims becomes impregnated into the highest ideals. What happens if the order and thew mystery come into conflict?<br>Whose will prevails, the order or the mystery. Of course the smart arses in the higher ranks of the order will say that even their sin serves the mystery, and they are probably right. Such is the nature of Mystery.<br><br>But that never justifies their sin. Its probably just the mystery's way of saying "I am important, the order is a human and fallible as anything else. Transcend it."<br><br><br>Yfu<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Schuon's preference was for a religion not founded on any effin "holy" BOOK but on the idea of The Great Spirit, <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I wish I could remember the name of a bloke, first name Kevin, old aboriginal man. He's published, and respected, perhaps dead for a few years.<br><br>he said something about written law.<br><br>Words to the effect of:<br><br>Our law is not written in books. its is written in the land the stars and us. As soon as people write down laws they look for ways to rewrite them, and reinterpret what they mean.<br><br>You can't reinterpret our law. it is a law. <p></p><i></i>
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Hoffman's 'Sources'

Postby Quentin Quire » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:31 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Youve gotta laff sometimes at these people who mock some sources.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Like Hoffmans 'Revionist History' website riddled with blatently anti-semitic and Holocaust denying material? That's not a laughing matter - it's disgusting.<br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hoffman's 'Sources'

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:02 pm

Research the Illuminati for very long and you're likely to end up with some really repulsive bedfellows. If you're just doing the research out of idle curiosity, you can presumably just drop the source and walk away. But if you're doing it to try to figure out terrifying personal mysteries, it's not so easy to dismiss even the really unsavory sources completely. <br><br>It was in Hoffman's writings that I discovered the first and only reference to a programming practice to which I've been subjected several times in just the past couple of years--the so-called "Monarch smile". That validation was very important to me, since it was not found in any other mind control program survivor's writings and as such could not be the result of accidental contamination of my memories of the events.<br><br>I don't recall where Hoffman learned of it, but Stanley Kubrick used it in "Eyes Wide Shut" too, so it's likely to be a real part of at least one of the MC programs promoted by the Illuminati. Even if Hoffman is a jerk, that piece of information is real and I know that not from internet links, but from personal experience. If I were to have dismissed Hoffman on the basis of his disgusting personal prejudices, I might not have ever found validation of a small piece of personal evidence....<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hoffman's 'Sources'

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:26 pm

I tattoo low-level Masons all the time. They're supposed to be forbidden from brandishing distinguishing marks that bind them to the group, but many elect to do it anyways(especially african-americans).<br><br>I've read/studied/conversed-with the Masons for several years now, and the only direct observations I can make are these:<br><br>The low end of the Mason gene pool is occupied by the 100% clueless who do the bulk of Mason work, which is largely beneficial to the local community.<br><br>The family members of high-end Masons are 100% clueless about what their family member 'knew', and upon their deaths little to nothing noteworthy was ever produced in their effects, even by family members that were also Masons..<br><br>It's also interesting to reveal that when I talk to these guys, I get a different story than what I've seen mentioned in some places online. There's several books, some the obvious(Holy Blood, Holy Grail, and a few others) that are openly rejected by Masonic lodges, but privately, they're required reading for new Mason pledges..<br><br>Ironic and humorous all at once. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=etinarcadiaego@rigorousintuition>et in Arcadia ego</A>  <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.sickle666.com/images/Arcadia.jpg" BORDER=0> at: 7/3/06 1:29 pm<br></i>
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black and white tiles

Postby rothbardian » Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:55 pm

<br>LilyPatToo--<br><br>You stated: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"And I remember the black and white tiled floor we were standing on, too, since I'd never seen one in a church before. I have loathed them ever since, too, for no reason I can think of."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Jeff had an article about this stuff a while back. A young child who eventually became a murder victim of the Masons (apparently), had been drawing pictures of black and white tiled floors. Below is the link. You might be careful as to any 'triggering' effect it might have.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/08/what-do-kids-know.html">rigorousintuition.blogspo...-know.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: black and white tiles

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:54 pm

rothbardian, thank you for the link--my time is limited and catching up with all the articles that Jeff has written is going to take me a long, long time. Back when I first learned about mind control programs (late summer/early fall of 2004), the survivor who found me didn't want me to read anything at all, in order to avoid contaminating my memories, which were then flooding back to me at a tremendous rate. But someone else posting to the alien abduction board where we met took it upon themselves to email or PM me with a link to the newpaper stories about this same case. I can still remember the chills it gave me to look at the photos reproduced there. My Lily had given me the image of that floor just months before then.<br><br>A note on the name Sarah--it's also the name of the child that, according to French legend, Mary Magdalen gave birth to--the daughter of Jesus. And it's the name of the 'Egyptian servant' who, in another South of France legend, accompanied Mary Magdalen, St. Maximin and other saints who arrived upon the shores of France in an oar-less, sail-less boat that had carried them all the way from Israel after Christ's crucifixion.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: black and white tiles

Postby LilyPatToo » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:12 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There's several books, some the obvious(Holy Blood, Holy Grail, and a few others) that are openly rejected by Masonic lodges, but privately, they're required reading for new Mason pledges..<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>et in arcadia, really? They're required reading?! Wow. Stranger and stranger....<br><br>How about Picknett & Prince's books?<br><br>LilyPat<br><br>PS Did you know that Picknett herself had a cameo in the "Da Vinci Code" movie? She was that Goth-made-up woman sitting behind Langdon and Sophie on the London bus. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: black and white tiles

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:27 pm

LilyPatToo, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I do not recall hearing any Masons refer directly to the authors you mentioned, but in addition to 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail', this is another book I was told they were required to read:<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1931412758/002-5104449-8075200?v=glance&n=283155">The Hiram Key</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>The main reason the conversation came up is because I 'seed' conversations in my tattoo room by leaving certain books in sight to elicit discussions with clients while I work on them.<br><br>Some have been pretty damn interesting, lemme tell you.. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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Re: black and white tiles

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:40 pm

By the way, I make no claims either way as to either of those two books' validities. Everyone has an agenda.. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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Re: black and white tiles

Postby LilyPatToo » Wed Jul 05, 2006 11:45 pm

Hah! I have "The Hiram Key" too<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> The Picknett & Prince book that I was trying to remember the title of was "The Templar Revelation"--if any of their books are given to Masons to read, I'd expect it to be the one. It just about blew me away back when I first read it<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> And I also have "The Temple and The Lodge" by Baigent and Leigh. And you are SO right about all the agendas--I'd give my eyeteeth to know who's promoting what and why, wouldn't you?<br><br>My alter Lily gave me a vaguely Masonic image a few weeks ago that I'm going to paint (I'm an artist). It has an unusual black and white tiled floor--the light tiles are actually sort of cream-colored and very worn. And they have esoteric symbols carved into them. The title is "Merovingian Princess". Lily's standing on the ancient floor, looking up at the viewer, wearing a vaguely Medieval dress. And instead of her feet, two *fish tails* come out from under the hem of the gown. On the wall that's in shadow and barely visible behind her is carved the word "MORIAH". Oh, and honey bees are flying up from her in a counter-clockwise spiral. <br><br>Some of that she may have gotten from my mind, but the rest....?! I've been told that she's an alter from the right side of my brain--she's not very verbal and communicates mostly in pictures. This image is the first major communication from her in a long time (I was accessed 2 years ago and my whole alter system was shut away behind reinforced memory barriers), so I'm determined to get this painting done as soon as I can. It's important to her in some way. When it's finished, if this thread's still active, I'll post a link to a photo of it.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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re: black and white tiles

Postby rain » Thu Jul 06, 2006 12:01 am

LilyPat, my head is just spinning from the implications of what you're saying.<br><br>do you have a working hypothesis on what 'alters' are ?<br>ie: are they a 'complete package' inserted or do the inserts meld with what's already there ?<br><br>and, I've been itching to ask, can you say how you were/are accessed ?<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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