MTV banned portrayal of hypnosis in 1983?

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:16 am

(on edit: minor title correction) I'm looking into subliminal messaging physically embedded in media along with the usual overt themes the content is formed from. Looking for info on hypnotist Milton Erickson and whether Israel banned unlicensed hypnotism, I found this in a timeline about Richie Blackmore who we know from the rock band Deep Purple- <a href="http://www.blackmoresnight.com/ritchie_bio.html">www.blackmoresnight.com/ritchie_bio.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>1983 - Bent Out of Shape - which would feature the line-up of BLACKMORE, Glover, Turner, and newest additions, keyboardist Dave Rosenthal and drummer Chuck Burgi (formally of Brand X). The video for the single, "Street of Dreams," would be banned from the newly-formed MTV as it visually demonstrates hypnosis. In October, the band tours UK for the first time since 1981, mostly in support of the recent album. A month later, the album would generate interest in the States, subsequently reaching #34 in the album charts. Despite MTV banning the single, it does well without their exposure.<hr></blockquote> Smoke on the water, the fire in the sky... Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 6/12/06 5:29 pm

by **havanagilla** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:29 am

The law requires license for therapists and dentists who wish to incorporate hypnotism in their work (dentists for the pain management, but maybe this way they can also mollest or take your golden fillings away). Leisure hypnotism caused some flair here when one lady couldn't snap out for months, and was in a state of semi coma, or something, after a show. So those shows are now banned, but privately, I don't think it is a criminalized activity. Commercial use requires a license. -- Surely, interrogators here use it, even for recusontruction of military accidents (to recover the memory from soldiers etc.). Personally, I think many people in Israel are adept and use it in a dubious way on others. Why are you interested ? I just had a nightmare a few nights ago, that I am opening my door and a girl, 13 years old or so is putting her hand on my neck and hypnotises me, and then calls her gang in order to rob the house. not sure if it was hypnotism or about subdermal drugging. it was awful. i think criminal use of hypnotism is enhanced by various drugs/ chemicals, or even inducing some slight desease, as a flu (lowers one's resistance).

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:39 am

Hugh, I'm usually right there with most of the things you say here, but I seriously do not see Deep Purple pushing any kind of theta-state agenda for the bad guys..

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:11 am

No not Deep Purple. It's hypnotism I'm looking at. Understanding of psychology is suppressed lest the masses realize how they are governed. I was wondering whether hypnotism is even more so due to its weaponizable characteristics or just because it tells so much about our susceptibility to manipulation by professionals when I found that bit on MTV censoring it off the air. Wouldn't want to validate the idea of a Manchurian Candidate either, ay? (However, I would like to know why the studio Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention were in burned down as immortalized in Deep Purple's hit. That was when COINTELPRO was snuffing the Woodstock Generation icons. But that's another thread.)

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:29 am

I keep finding that the principles of manipulating one person are extrapolated to the national level, microcosm>macrocosm. So I'm looking closer at the processes of tapping the subconscious of one person such as through hypnotism to better see the institutionalized version. In John Marks' 'The Search for the Manchurian Candidate-The CIA and Mind Control: The Secret History of the Behavioral Sciences' the city of San Francisco was used quite alot for testing drugs, agent provocateur schemes, and even the damned Presidio Day Care abuse scandal with Michael 'MindWar' Aquino's involvement. The SF Bay area has a couple of periodicals that are very New Age-y and mystical but with some damned odd advertisements including hypnotists offering 'past life regression.' I wonder what experiments are still probably going on using the many 'believers' in mystery who might fall into the hands of Aquino-types.

by **thurnandtaxis** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:45 am

...if you DARE!!! (and, actually its Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow, and not Deep Purple...) <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=HM6gHdOpGr0&search=deep%20purple%20street%20of%20dreams">youtube.com/watch?v=HM6gH...f%20dreams</a> BTW, I'm reading "The Control of Candy Jones" right now, so thanks for this little apertif, Hugh. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thurnandtaxis>thurnandtaxis</A> at: 6/12/06 12:49 am

by **thurnandtaxis** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:54 am

Candy Jones' hypnotist/handler, Dr. Gilbert Jensen was based in the San Francisco/Oakland area.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:14 am

(If that's the video of her trip to the doctor to see her carving, ulp, I've seen it. Very real looking and very disturbing. Almost as disturbing as the injuries our many wounded vets will live with from the Bush wars.) This seems to me the best description of what scientific fascism does on a mass scale, induce neurosis and collective emotion. Sports serves as a mass hypnotic event with Nuremberg rally elements. From page 188 of Marks' 'The Search for the Manchurian Candidate' in the chapter about the (John) Gittenger Personality Assessment System (PAS)- <blockquote>Quote:<hr>In 1963 the CIA's Inspector General gave the Technical Support Services assessment staff high marks and described how it fit into operations: "The [Clandestine Services] case officer is first and foremost, perhaps, a practitioner of the art of assessing and exploiting human personality and motivations for ulterior purposes. The ingredients of advanced skill on this art are highly individualistic in nature, including such qualities as perceptiveness and imagination. The PAS seeks to enhance the case officer's skill by bringing the methods and disciplines of psychology to bear. ...The prime objectives are control, exploitation, or neutralization. These objectives are innately anti-ethical rather than therapeutic in their intent."<hr></blockquote> This article on the dangers of hypnotism underscores the subject's preparation before hypnotism and the influence of the group in affecting the individual. State-controlled 'news' and 'entertainment' function to prepare the American subject for its 'Manchurian Candidate' assignment, war. Read this as being instead about inducing war instead of hypnotism to see if it works- <a href="http://www.dangers-of-hypnosis.co.uk/stage_hypnosis_how_it_works.html">www.dangers-of-hypnosis.c...works.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>DANGERS OF HYPNOSIS STAGE HYPNOSIS AND HOW IT WORKS The main thing with stage hypnosis is the expectation and anticipation of the audience. Possibly the most important factor in achieving instantaneous trance is the prestige of the operator, and his skill to control the audience. The greater prestige the operator has, the greater the belief of the masses in his power and influence. This is why all performing hypnotists say they are "The World's Number One" and so on and so forth. For me, just having the title "Doctor" added prestige. Let us imagine that a hypnotist is performing in your town or city. Posters are displayed advertising this hypnotist to be "The World's Number One" and other exaggerated claims such as "Master Of The Mind". In the eyes of the general public who don't understand mind and crowd control, the hypnotist is a person with amazingly mysterious powers and skills. The stage hypnotist uses the ignorance of the masses to his advantage. People are drawn to see the show with preconceived ideas. Their own susceptibility to suggestion already heightened, they are already in a level of trance. Speed hypnosis, or instantaneous hypnosis is then fairly easy to achieve by a skilled operator. All stage hypnotists and hypnotherapists know about post-hypnotic suggestions. The pre-hypnotic suggestion is less widely recognized or mentioned in books on therapy, yet it is highly important, and that cannot be stressed enough. The pre-hypnotic suggestion is vital in both areas of hypnosis. It goes back to the old saying, "As a man thinketh so is he". What you believe will be true for you, especially when trance is induced. Therefore if you think that after having experienced hypnosis you will have a headache, you will most likely have one. If you think that it might drive you insane, then it could. If you think it will be a good laugh, then it will be. But remember, there is no general rule of thumb! With a stage setting many people are drawn to see the show as if by some compelling inner force. They are already controlled by their own fears and anticipation. Some of the audience are already on the verge of, or already in, a level of trance. Moods and feelings are contagious. The more packed the audience the more likelyStage hypnosis and how it works - Hitler. Hitler studied hypnosis and crowd control. He had a fascination around hypnotism and mysticism. you have a crowd. A large gathering of people does not necessarily make a crowd. A crowd is when the gathering of people are all experiencing similar thoughts and emotions, and this creates an element of collective unconsciousness. Man is a gregarious animal, and his mind can and does lose its individuality and personality when in a crowd setting. This is of course how mobs and riots occur. This is how a skilled politician can sway a crowd. This is how Hitler hypnotized a whole nation. A skilled stage hypnotist will use this to his advantage. To turn a gathering of people into a crowd you need eloquence. You need to have everybody's attention, and as you talk to them and they listen, by suggesting what they will or will not experience, by adding strong emotional content, with repetition, with their minds collectively focused on a single pointed idea, that idea being trance, you already have most of the crowd in trance, and they don't even know it! In some ways it could be described as a form of telepathy. There are numerous different types of telepathy. Most people when they hear the word telepathy think of mental telepathy. Probably the most common form of telepathy is emotional. With a good crowd you have a very strong form of emotional telepathy. This of course can work for you, or against you if you don't understand it. It is the gut feeling, literally coming from the solar plexus region. It is an invisible energy which not only do we feel, but we also transmit and receive. It is as if the solar plexus is the main emotional radio of the body. When we are close together as with a crowd these feelings transmit more easily from aura to aura, from person to person. This is why there is likely to be total panic when a fire occurs in a public building like a nightclub or cinema. A skilled operator can sense this, whether he is consciously aware of it or not, and can use it to his advantage. When the call for volunteers arises in a hypnotic show certain individuals just can't help but put themselves forward, moved by an invisible compelling force. That is to say, the positive pre-hypnotic suggestions of the hypnotist have already been made, and they come forward as the post-hypnotic suggestion is made calling for volunteers. The fact is that they are already being controlled because they are already in an element of trance. Their trance may have started when they first heard about or saw a poster advertising the event. It may have occurred only minutes beforehand. But it has already occurred. So to summarize how stage hypnosis works, it is mass hypnosis. There is a level of collective unconsciousness, which is generally emotionally oriented through apprehension, based on fear. A gathering of people is transformed into a crowd. A crowd is dominated by suggestions of which it is unconscious.<hr></blockquote>

by **km artlu** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:40 am

Hugh -- while you're looking into hypnosis a bit, thought I'd mention that I've seen quite a few reports in Fortean Times over the years of robberies using hypnosis. Most if not all seem to have happened in Europe. (my recall of details on this not so good) The key element of interest to me is that the victims didn't know the perps and control was achieved in an instant, lasting for the duration of the event. One example involved the victim withdrawing everything from a bank account and handing it over. Maybe 'hypnosis' isn't technically the right word. Whatever it is, it has been done.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:59 am

Looks like hypnotism is like mercury-amalgam dental fillings, "no problem, just enjoy it." A man became a paranoid schizophrenic after a stage hypnotizing but the British judge threw the case out in 1998 and his Oxnard Hypnotherapy acts as if it was all a minor misunderstanding. <a href="http://www.hypnos.info/pages/stage.html">www.hypnos.info/pages/stage.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Although Oxford Hypnotherapy has no interest in Stage Hypnosis, we have no judgement to make on the rights and wrongs of its use. Many famous hypnotists over the years have worked in entertainment as well as therapy - for instance Ormond McGill and our own Paul McKenna, a very popular stage hypnotist who, over many years has captured the public's imagination with his well known television and media appearances. If you want to learn hypnosis yourself, we recommend this free audio course from hypnosis downloads: Learn Hypnosis in 5 Days - Free! <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/150850.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/150850.stm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Friday, 14 August, 1998, 18:25 GMT 19:25 UK Hypnotist cleared The hypnotist and stage performer Paul McKenna has been cleared by the High Court of turning a man who took part in his live stage performance into an "aggressive schizophrenic". The High Court in London ruled that Christopher Gates, who sued Mr McKenna for £200,000 in damages, had not proved that he was affected by the experience of acting as a volunteer from the audience. After handing down his judgment Mr Justice Toulson said that it was "perfectly understandable" Mr Gates should have believed that his sudden descent into schizophrenia was caused by the hypnotic experience. He added that although his ruling would be a disappointment to Mr Gates and his "devoted" girlfriend Beverley Gibbs, his "misfortune in developing the disease" was of "natural origin". .... Speaking outside the High Court Mr McKenna said he was "delighted" by the ruling, which he said cleared audience participation shows like Blind Date and The Generation Game. He said he was now planning a new series of his own shows in the UK. (photo with caption) Christopher Gates: Admitted to hospital nine days after taking part in McKenna's stage show Mr McKenna said the judge's decision "will bring about an end to the series of alarmist sensational stories about hypnosis being dangerous." <hr></blockquote> continued BBC article with the plaintiff's lawyer, Martin Smith- "It was never going to be an easy case but with three eminent professionals, one of them at the cutting edge of research into what happens to the brain during hypnosis, concluding that Chris's illness was triggered by what happened on stage, we thought we had enough to win. .... Mr Smith added the judge "set great store by the fact that there was no evidence before him of similar cases. For legal reasons we were unable to put before the court details of several cases involving Mr McKenna, with which we are dealing, in which other people allege they have suffered damage after taking part in hypnotic shows". He said that if these cases had been put before the judge along with that of Mr Gates, "the outcome might have been different". .... Friday, 14 August, 1998, 18:25 GMT 19:25 UK Hypnotist cleared Paul McKenna and manager Paul McKenna with his manager, Clare Staples, on the steps of the HIgh Court after hearing the verdict The hypnotist and stage performer Paul McKenna has been cleared by the High Court of turning a man who took part in his live stage performance into an "aggressive schizophrenic". The High Court in London ruled that Christopher Gates, who sued Mr McKenna for £200,000 in damages, had not proved that he was affected by the experience of acting as a volunteer from the audience. After handing down his judgment Mr Justice Toulson said that it was "perfectly understandable" Mr Gates should have believed that his sudden descent into schizophrenia was caused by the hypnotic experience. He added that although his ruling would be a disappointment to Mr Gates and his "devoted" girlfriend Beverley Gibbs, his "misfortune in developing the disease" was of "natural origin". On learning of the ruling Mr McKenna said: "While we feel great sympathy for Mr Gates and his family, today's verdict has proved conclusively that hypnosis was not and could not have been the cause of his schizophrenia." Speaking outside the High Court Mr McKenna said he was "delighted" by the ruling, which he said cleared audience participation shows like Blind Date and The Generation Game. He said he was now planning a new series of his own shows in the UK. Christopher Gates Christopher Gates: Admitted to hospital nine days after taking part in McKenna's stage show Mr McKenna said the judge's decision "will bring about an end to the series of alarmist sensational stories about hypnosis being dangerous." He added that although he sympathised with Mr Gates, who received legal aid to bring the case against the hypnotist, the case had cost the taxpayer hundreds of thousands of pounds "yet it should never have come to court". "The Legal Aid Board were presented with the evidence before trial by my lawyers and should then have made an independent assessement that this case was inherently flawed." "The time has come for the waste of taxpayers' money and injustice to non-legally aideddefendants to end." 'Bitter disappointment' Mr Gates - a former furniture polisher who had told the court he lost his job as a result of the hypnosis - and his girlfriend were said in a statement from his solicitor, Martin Smith, to be "bitterly disappointed" by the judgment. "It was never going to be an easy case but with three eminent professionals, one of them at the cutting edge of research into what happens to the brain during hypnosis, concluding that Chris's illness was triggered by what happened on stage, we thought we had enough to win. Martin Smith Martin Smith, Christopher Gates' solicitor: "We thought we had enough to win" "The judge has found that the illness and the hypnotism were merely an unfortunate coincidence." Mr Smith added the judge "set great store by the fact that there was no evidence before him of similar cases. For legal reasons we were unable to put before the court details of several cases involving Mr McKenna, with which we are dealing, in which other people allege they have suffered damage after taking part in hypnotic shows". He said that if these cases had been put before the judge along with that of Mr Gates, "the outcome might have been different". Mr Smith said the judge had not ruled that stage hypnosis was safe. "We are quite certain that in future all stage hypnotists will give a proper warning of the dangers involved in volunteering to take part in a stage hypnosis show," he said. The judgment follows from a two-week hearing last month in which Mr Gates, from High Wycombe, said that nine days after going to see Mr McKenna's stage show, during which he was invited up from the audience to take part, he suffered an acute schizophrenic episode and had to be admitted to hospital. Mr Gates, 30, had told the court he was still hearing voices four years after seeing Mr McKenna's show, and would be forced to take drugs for the rest of his life as a result of his condition. Mr McKenna had denied negligence and said Mr Gates' illness was not caused by being hypnotised. 'The star of the show' After volunteering to take part in the show the hypnotist told Mr Gates he was a ballet dancer, Mick Jagger, an interpreter for aliens from outer space, a contestant on the show Blind Date, the conductor of a orchestra and a naughty schoolboy. He also told him he was wearing special glasses that allowed him to see people naked. Mr McKenna took the stand during the hearing and told the court he remembered Mr Gates as the star of the show. Mr Gates told the court that following his performance he suffered severe headaches and was unable to sleep that evening. The next day he began giggling and crying at a redundancy meeting at work. He later lost his job. He said he heard "mumbling voices" which he believed belonged to Jesus or Moses. 'Afraid to have a shower' Christopher Gates and Beverley Gibbs Gates and his girlfriend, Beverley Gibbs, arriving at the High Court during the hearing His girlfriend. Beverley Gibbs, wept in court when she testified that Mr Gates became convinced he was going to die and that God was watching him. He became too scared to go to the toilet or have a shower because he believed Paul McKenna was lying in wait for him, she said. Mr Gates also believed someone from the TV show Coronation Street was sending him subliminal messages from the fictional pub the Rovers' Return, telling him to stop drinking. On another occasion he started laughing uncontrollably at a Freddie Starr show, the court was told. Mr McKenna told the court he would never subject stage volunteers to a "traumatic, frightening and humiliating ordeal". "My show is a fun show which people choose to participate in or choose not to if they wish." Mr McKenna denied Mr Gates' allegation that he was brought out of his trance in an unprofessional manner. Asked whether he believed hypnosis could trigger schizophrenia, the hypnotist said: "No, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now." In his closing speech to the court at the end of last month's hearing Mr McKenna's counsel, Roger Henderson QC, had warned that all hypnotism stage shows may have to stop if he found that they brought on mental illness.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 4:15 am

(Seems that only hypnotherapy can reveal some old abuses that amnesia masks but courts are inclined to rule that hypnotherapy 'taints' the subject.) <a href="http://www.csj.org/infoserv_articles/scheflin_alan_commentaryborawick.htm">www.csj.org/infoserv_arti...rawick.htm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Borawick Case The fact pattern in Borawick is not unique, thereby making the case all the more important. In essence, a young woman, Ms. Borawick, began recalling that she had been sexually molested by relatives nearly 30 years earlier. Several months before the memories returned, she had seen a lay hypnotist for chronic fatigue and stress. During three of the hypnosis sessions, the lay hypnotist used “regression therapy” to return his patient to her early childhood. During these sessions, Ms. Borawick remembered and described certain aspects of the abuse. The lay hypnotist did not pursue the subject outside of trance, and Ms. Borawick had amnesia for the events she described. The lay hypnotist insisted that he had not used suggestive questions or techniques, but there were no audiotapes or videotapes available for independent examination. When Ms. Borawick’s memories returned outside of trance, many months after the hypnosis sessions had ended, she sued her aunt and uncle for the past sexual abuse she now recalled. Ms. Borawick was told by the courts that the hypnosis prohibited her from testifying about her recollections. The trial judge explained that the lay hypnotist was not sufficiently qualified to perform the hypnosis so her memories could not be deemed to be reliable. .... For experts in the areas of cults, cult indoctrination techniques, brainwashing, and coercive persuasion, there is an interesting irony worth mentioning. Proponents of the “false memory” movement have argued that repressed memory does not exist and that expert testimony on the subject should not be admitted into court under the Frye or Daubert standards addressed in Borawick. Many of these “false memory” advocates have been experts in cult cases arguing that brainwashing theory is scientifically valid. If the “false memory” views they profess should prevail, there is a strong possibility that courts will also shut the door on brainwashing theory. United States v. Fishman (1990), where two leading anticult theorists were held disqualified from testifying, signals the potential victory cults may have in demonstrating that brainwashing theory has not received sufficient scientific support. To the extent that “false memory” proponents succeed in their goal of weakening psychotherapy in general as a science, they may also succeed in strengthening the sway cults hold over people. Experts may be forbidden access to courtrooms to explain social influence theory, coercive persuasion, and mind control tactics and techniques. Borawick may be applauded because it reaches the right legal result, but also it demonstrates how so-called neutral experts can contaminate not only the law, but also the very basis of human knowledge. The United States Supreme Court has been asked to review the Borawick decision (Petition, 1996). If it does so, we must hope that the Court will do three things: (1) review the scientific literature closely on hypnosis, memory, and repressed memory, (2) uphold a flexible, liberal test for the admission of hypnotically refreshed recollection, and (3) give Ms. Borawick her day in court. The first point allows the law to be built on science, not political belief. The second point provides that courts will dispense justice by hearing the claims of those who have been cruelly injured by others. The third point is one of simple fairness: Ms. Borawick wants the opportunity to state her claim before a judge in a pretrial hearing. Why is that too much to ask?<hr></blockquote>

by **FourthBase** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 5:27 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Sports serves as a mass hypnotic event with Nuremberg rally elements.<hr></blockquote> Hugh, seriously, let's open a seperate thread about sports. I've tried to tell you that there's plenty for our side to champion in sports, lots of parallels and lessons. Sports do not necessarily promote fascism. Sports do not necessarily encourage war.

by **Dreams End** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:06 am

I'm not sure the original article says what you think it does. specifically, I think (not sure) that it is illegal to show the procedure of hypnotism on television or whatever because of the danger that viewers will be hypnotized by watching. BBC guidelines on this: <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/editorialguidelines/edguide/harm/hypnotism.shtml">www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/...tism.shtml</a> I couldn't find something similar about US television but I am pretty sure such guidelines exist. Could be just a "cover" reason, but the rule does make sense on its own merits. There are no secrets about the actual process. It's not that difficult as anyone who has seen such stage shows would be aware. Well, I think there may be one secret: that hypnotism is easier and more powerful than we are led to believe. While we are at it, let's add Martin Orne to the list...MKULtra researcher, hypnotism expert and founder of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. By the way, the full text of Marks' book is available <a href="http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/lsd/marks.htm">here.</a> I didn't click on any links above, so maybe you also linked to the whole thing. Anyway, as I said, I think one of the big secrets is that hypnotism is easier and more powerful than we are led to believe. The whole "no one will act against their core beliefs under hypnotism" is simply a myth. In any event, you could make them believe circumstances were such that they wouldn't even feel they were violating their core beliefs. I also think that RA perpetrators and, I think, even "simple" sexual abusers of children, employ hypnotism knowingly or unknowingly. Trauma can bring on a dissociative state that is similar to the hypnotic trance. Even without training, perpetrators I think have a sense of this. And it wouldn't take much to actually get the training needed. Think how much more powerful hypnotism would be for someone who has constant access to the subject, authority over the subject and perhaps is abusing that subject. Then add in the drugs and, I imagine these days, some high tech assistance...very powerful. I now feel fairly certain this happened to my wife. Right now, she is starting to get some memories back. They are not pleasant and starting to be more specific, but only involve her dad and specific sexual abuse. Not anything even about her mom yet. However, I feel fairly certain she's just hitting the tip of the iceberg. And I have indications that hypnotism, formally or informally, was employed on her. The other night, she was very agitated as all the voices inside were talking at once. I simply repeated in a soothing voice a few times that everyone inside should sleep (I wasn't trying to hypnotize...just trying to be calming) and she went to sleep very suddenly and almost immediately. This has happened one other time, but I've also used the repetitive phrase about "sleep" on another occasion or two that did not lead to this, so I'm not sure what the differences are. And as I've mentioned before, one of her young parts has talked about going to Oz in her sleep when certain words are said, and only visiting one particular place and talking with one character (the lion). In other words, it sounds like a hypnotic script. Thing is, while I believe that larger networks of government sponsored abuse etc exist, I think it's probably not that hard for anyone to learn how to do this. I sat in on a hypnotism session with her therapist (we fired that therapist after this) and there's really not much too it...especially if the subject is prone to dissociative states. As for Candy Jones...still haven't read that book but her husband was an "amateur hypnotist". He studied the techniques but reportedly only used them once, when he uncovered her story. Sort of like how Mark Phillips just happened to have training in how to deprogram MKUltra victims when he met Cathy O'Brian. I've heard an interview with Candy Jones...sure had me convinced so I don't know what role her husband played...maybe it really was just a coincidence. I have heard that people have found inconsistencies in her story but not sure what they were. Also, it's interesting that back in the early seventies, this subject was evidently not taboo for the left (who will now not touch this sort of stuff...I say this AS a leftist in sadness and frustration.) A friend of mine inherited a very large cache of left materials going all the way back to the thirties...really archive quality stuff and maybe he will make these things available for researchers. Old newsletters, books, etc. And the Candy Jones book was there. Nowadays, this is only material for the "paranoid right." And being neither paranoid, nor right, I do find this frustrating.

by **AlicetheCurious** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:40 am

Hugh, reading your post above, I immediately flashed back to one of Franklin Graham's "evangelistic crusades" that I attended many years ago. I actually went sort of for a laugh, it was free, it was taking place a couple of blocks from my home, and I didn't have anything else to do. There were tens of thousands of people there, but he had them in the palm of his hand. People were crying, they were raising their hands, and when he called for people to come on down and declare Jesus as their Lord and Saviour, hundreds of them shuffled down and crowded around the stage, where, presumably, they left their names, addresses and phone numbers with Graham's staff. You couldn't be there and not feel transported by emotion. Was it the power of his preaching? Was it the presence of the Holy Spirit? (I like to think the Holy Spirit has better taste). Or was it an example of mass hypnotism? If it's the latter, then the rapid growth of mega-churches, with their "tv ministries" and their radio stations, is all the more ominous...

by **AlicetheCurious** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 12:02 pm

A CNN profile of Franklin Graham FYI: <a href="http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/people/shows/graham/profile.html">www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/...ofile.html</a>

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