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Postby orz » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:45 pm

Out of interest, I looked at the article... seems in your rush to find rave/zombie/gun connections you've not even read it properly! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>had gathered <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>after a larger party nearby</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> titled "Better Off Undead."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>She said the girl's boyfriend called her Saturday morning to say that they had <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>gone to the house following</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> an electronic dance party on Friday night — a "zombie rave."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So it wasn't an attack ON a rave, but an attack on some people who'd BEEN to a rave... not the world's biggest distinction but I know you're keen on 'detail' HMW... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> So did all your sinister video game programmers, british TV producers and Borders shelf-stackers who were all in on this get it a bit wrong + not quite achieve the desired effect, or what!?<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:56 pm

sorry for 3 posts, i thought the 2nd didn;'t work at first...<br>so i'll randomly add:<br><br>RE: the video, yeah pretty harsh, but I guess the combination of a certain element of media fakery plus Brown doing various trickery not explained in full made it possible to do sufficiantly risk-free for the TV company to legally/insurance-wise be able to shoot it...<br><br>What disturbed me most is how cheap + dated the game's graphics looked! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Surely noone would buy into that as a genuine arcade machine.<br><br><br><br>also <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>(Remember the movie 'Mulholland Dr.'? You know what I'm referring to, right? Yup. More keyword hijacking to hide dirty laundry. )<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Uh, you do realise Mulholland Drive is an actuall road in Hollywood, on which events in the film happen? For that matter, I've never really understood how this 'keyword hijacking' is supposed to 'hide' anything... <br><br>Seriously, please could you explain how the fact that a David Lynch film called Mulholland Drive exists, takes anything whatsoever away from totally unrelated info about a person called Mulholland?<br><br>It's funny you should mention that movie actually, if you've seen it: the scary italian film producer demanding that the hip young director rig his audition to chose a specific girl is the scene that springs to mind when I try and imagine how these obscure references would get put into movies <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 7/20/06 4:06 pm<br></i>
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I think Hugh may be onto something

Postby johnny nemo » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:07 pm

I watched a news story on the local Fox station about a guy who traded a red paperclip for different things until he was able to trade up to a house.<br><br>I then went to google and typed in the word "paperclip" and the story was, and stiil is, the first thing that pops up.<br>It bumped an article about "Operation Paperclip" further down the page.<br>It's still on there, but now it's second from the bottom. <br><br>It seems to be deliberate, IMHO.<br><br>The same news station ran another story about a company named Archaio that lets government agencies download 3D blueprints for buildings, in case of emergencies (ala the Matrix). <br><br>The odd thing is that the sales guy showed the software to the Phoenix Fire Dept. and then, 3 hours later, they need the software because of a hostage situation on the 18th floor of a building.<br>How convenient. <br>Reminded me of the drills they were running during the London bombings.<br><br>Go to their site and click on the Fox 10 Phoenix News story, and you'll see what I mean.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.archaio.com/">www.archaio.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: orz's stunning details

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:02 pm

Yeah, I know about the party after the Zombie Rave.<br><br>Yeah, I know about the actual Mulholland Drive in LA and it's namesake.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I've already considered the details and gave you my opinion.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>That was the reason I posted it. But thanks anyway. lol.<br><br>But tell me this, since you're helping with details. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Why is there so much grey blob redaction of this topic at the discussion board of the Seattle Post Intelligencer?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Or am I the only one who isn't allowed to see much of the postings there due, perhaps, to a cookie on my computer?<br><br>Anyone? Bueller? <p></p><i></i>
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Postby professorpan » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:05 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Mentalism and magic" are not about entertainment for a long time now. They are about confusion in the name of commerce and control since 1947.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>What a ridiculous crock of shit.<br><br>You're comparing what I do -- entertain and mystify people who <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>pay</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to see me perform -- with <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>bombing</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> people?<br><br>Really?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Resisting Total War calls for waging Total Peace by sanctioning honesty and truth instead of amusing each other with shadow plays. (Sound too 'purist' or 'politically correct'? Consider the question 'what would COINTELPRO do? and then do the opposite.)<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So in your rather fascist worldview, there's no room for magic and illusions? Sorry, that's insane and Orwellian. Is there room for books, movies, and songs that don't get your ideological stamp of approval?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>See info on the magician who advised the CIA, John Mulholland. (Remember the movie 'Mulholland Dr.'? You know what I'm referring to, right? Yup. More keyword hijacking to hide dirty laundry. )<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>David Lynch lives on Mulholland Drive -- perhaps that's why he chose that name for the film? Nah. In your world nothing is simple or straightforward when it can be wrangled into your illogical, convoluted theory of search-engine manipulation. <br><br>And one magician advising the CIA means what . . . that all magicians are sinister tools of the PTB? Let's run them all outta town, those damn prestedigitators!<br><br>Your theories have become parodies of themselves. <br><br>Sorry, I'd rather live in a world where magicians help people enjoy themselves and access their sense of wonder and mystery than in an ideologically pure world in which all entertainment must be run through the filters of HMW-sanctioned TRUTH and HONESTY.<br><br>Every time I think you've gone off the deep end, you surprise me by leaping farther into the bizarre. I guess I should be grateful for that -- you have expanded the boundaries of solipsistic, paranoid pareidolia and surreal confirmation bias into an art form. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby Project Willow » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:13 pm

DE,<br>I remember flash studies being done when I was a kid.<br>About 10 years ago you may have noticed that brief white screen flashing became prominent on tv, especially during commercials.<br><br>I haven't studied the flash effect yet, so I can't say much more than that.<br><br>However, I don't think the full mc thing is that easy. It's easy when you take a kid and spend lots of time on them. It's harder with adults, but all you have to do is read Estabrooks, or Marks for that. I would rather the reports on the creation of hypnotic couriers out of military personel be widely disbursed than an entertainer's video.<br><br>Oh, and thanks for that bit on Corydon Hammond in the other thread. Neurobiofeedback is extremely effective in training mc subjects, especially when you amp up the level of reward and punishment to love vs. torture. Use a child and it indeed becomes patterned internal behavior. I have a drawing of it on my website. Interesting sideline he chose. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I think Hugh may be onto something

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:15 pm

Ah, yes. The Red Paperclip exchange project.<br><br>The gag is that he started with a big red paperclip and kept exchanging it for something else until he worked his way up to...a house. <br><br>The publicity helped him along and the story, besides hijacking Project Paperclip yet again, was turned into a pro-capitalism allegory.<br><br>"See? Everyone who plays can win cuz we all get what we want!" Classic 'opportunity' fable.<br><br>I found two movies about the Presidion in SF where there was a terrible day care sex abuse scandal in the 1980s involving Lt. Col. Michael 'MindWar' Aquino.<br><br>One movie was released in 1988 when the San Jose Mercury News (I think) carried an article summarizing the long legal fallout and the other movie was released in 2005.<br><br>The latest DVD format is a good excuse to rerelease old propaganda movies with the keywords and themes desired.<br><br>Go look at the featured DVDs at Borders and look for militarist, pro-men/anti-women/anti-black themes. Loads of 'em.<br><br>And you can see the date it came to the store on the price tag. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I think Hugh may be onto something

Postby Dreams End » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:29 pm

If I might rehijack my own thread. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Don't take everything you see so literally. Mentalism and magic are about entertainment -- making people think "what if?" Magic and mentalism both have a large bag of tricks and techniques to work with to create powerful illusions. And do you believe you're seeing reality when a magician saws a woman in half? If not, why should you believe Derren is using NLP to make people believe they're in a videogame?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Here's the issue and unfortunately Pan is a mentalist and so he can't go blabbing too much about secrets. <br><br>But as an "illusion" this is the easiest thing in the world to fake. Just grab some actors and point the camera and shoot. There is an unspoken agreement...likely about dead these days...that when we see such acts on tv, the magician is not simply relying on special effects or a completely staged event. What would be the point? I'd rather watch Superman fly in a movie than a magician in front of a green screen.<br><br>So sure it could be fake. But I can't think of another definition of "fake" that would be other than everyone is acting.<br><br>The woman in another video apparently hypnotized over a pay phone. If she's an actress or if he just said "I'll give you 100 quid if you'll pretend to sleep". Well, that's one thing. <br><br>But if they aren't actors...then I can't figure out what other elements could be "fake." <br><br>The reason it freaked me out...and I'm sorry Lily, I should have put a trigger warning (my wife freaked out just at another vid where he blends is own commands in with all the loudspeaker chatter that is constant in a mall and makes everyone raise their hands at the same time. Were they all just paid to do that? What's the point? ). is that it was done so easily. I wouldn't be that impressed if this was a stage show where he hypnotized the guy and then said "now you are in a videgame..."we've all seen that kind of show.<br><br><br>One thing that suggests staging is that no hypnotism professional associations have come after him. While I wonder if a trance can be induced from a video game, I do not wonder that someone could be hypnotized and placed in a situation like that. And that could really screw somebody up.<br><br>If Brown had gotten at him before...maybe did a consensual hypnosis thing and implanted the suggestion to come to the pub and be triggered (which is what it is) by the lights...this is only slightly more reassuring...but at least it suggests it's not so easy to hypnotize someone and place them into a nightmare.<br><br>I don't believe a magician saws himself in half, of course. I'm just failing to understand what it is about that video that is illusory. Unless, as I said, the whole thing was faked...which would suggest to me that mentalism is headed for a downfall.. How does this sell:<br><br>"See a bunch of actors pretend to be hypnotized and do crazy things..."<br><br>The other videos were interesting as well...I'd be curious on your take.<br><br>For example, in one, he deluges a guy with questions about directions to someplace and then asks for his wallet and watch and the guy gives them and off Brown walks. Doesn't matter if it's NLP or not...that was a sobering thing to see....and we all suspect high level salespeople of such things.<br><br>Or making the martial arts student feel a punch that doesn't actually touch him (in front of a very pissed off kung fu master brought in from China). Then he does it from behind as well. <br><br>Either that guy is faking it, or the lead up (or maybe some more surreptitious work earlier) put the guy in a highly suggestible state.<br><br>One of the things Brown talks about on the website is how he gets people in a state of compliance by deluging them with confusing questions. From the experiences of my sister and my own research, I know cults rely on this. They put you in a room for long periods of time and throw tons of information at you and it breaks down your ability to assert your own will or even figure out what that is. (My sister is part of a splinter group of "The Way International" which is less authoritarian so she seems okay...but doesn't question ANYTHING they teach.)<br><br><br>Again, I don't know if Pan can respond...but I'd love to get some idea of what the middle ground between "hypnotizing" and totally faked might be. <br><br>As for NLP, I've always assumed it was bunk...though I know high level folks believe in it. (Tony Robbins can walk on hot coals...big deal, so can an eight year old if the setup is right) I am curious about it, but I can't see manipulating others that way unless it was clearly marked "entertainment" or "experiment".<br><br>The vids are also interesting in terms of demonstrating principles of advertising (the mall scene again...unless that is faked) and mass suggestions (Wikipedia describes a show in which the audience was given suggestions via flashed messages and other means to forget what they'd seen and then after, claimed not to remember.) Was that faked? Does it matter, if not fake, whether it was NLP or whether they were actually hypnotized and instead were merely acting on a desire to please authority or whatever? <br><br>I may have overstated the case here. He said the guy came in off the street randomly. If that guy is an actor, then I'd be pretty pissed as that doesn't count as magic or mentalism to me. When I see a mentalist on the stage guess a number someone else is holding, if I am not assured that this person isn't just an actor then what's the point? And if that is his game, surely he'll get outed eventually. I suspect one of Chris Angel's tricks was exactly that. <br><br>According to one site, Brown gets HIS volunteers by tossing a toy into the audience which is to be tossed twice more and whoever catches it is the volunteer...that's at least some reassurance of random selection.<br><br>This all gets into the larger issues of hypnosis...what's possible and what's not. And readers around here certainly know that our fine government thought LOTS of things were possible and got, in one case, a secretary to shoot (no bullets...but she didn't know) someone else via hypnosis and she remembered nothing. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The HMW and Prof Pan Show

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Your theories have become parodies of themselves. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Prof Pan, your straw man 'regurgitations' have also.<br><br>Wild exaggerations of things I don't say. Routinely. <br><br>1) I made a clear statement (I thought) about why I think confusing people is harmful due to adding more weight on the seesaw side of disinformation than truthful evolution towards a rational respect for cause and effect (evidence and accountability) and thus away from war, torture, terror, and eugenics.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Unless the 'trick' is revealed to show what to look out for.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Some of the attributes that are thought to make one more susceptible to hypnosis or suggestion is intelligence, imagination, and a positive attitude towards fantasy. Seems quite positive, doesn't it?<br><br>But what a double-edged sword that is. <br><br>Because we think with the images and vocabulary we are offered. Hence the scientific fascist push towards religion, faith, superstition, spectacle, fantasy, EMOTION. <br><br>Once pushed out to emotional sea, all you can do is ride THEIR waves.<br><br>2) I made a clear statement (I thought) about why the association of the magician Mulholland with the MK-ULTRA death of Frank Olson was worth covering up since it specifically implicated Rumsfeld and Cheney in the cover-up.<br><br>Remember them? Rumsfeld and Cheney? Nevermind. Just trivia.<br>No, I'm not saying David Lynch is in on the hijacking. Think higher. Remember, intelligence agents use sincere people who happen to be doing what is desired and grease wheels or add publicity or time the release with other events or...get the idea? <br><br>So Prof Pan is a 'mentalist.' I did not know that.<br>Don't take it personally, Prof. But confusion kills. I'll try to be clearer myself. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/20/06 7:55 pm<br></i>
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His Manatee's Voice

Postby orz » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>I've already considered the details and gave you my opinion.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>That was the reason I posted it. But thanks anyway. lol.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Your opinion seemed contrary to these details and made no sense.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>That was the reason I replied to it. Thanks anyway. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But tell me this, since you're helping with details. Why is there so much grey blob redaction of this topic at the discussion board of the Seattle Post Intelligencer?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Uh.... your monitor needs cleaning maybe? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Seriously, I dunno... no grey blobs at my end; i can read the comments tho the page doesn't display too well... just bad html/php i guess...? Hope you can sort it out... if you're worried/paranoid about cookies just open your preferences + clear out any suspicious ones... or the whole lot if you don't mind having to re-login to some sites etc... <br><br><br>As for the red paperclip thing... well... what are you saying? <br><br>I mean, that guy's series of trades did happen,... right? (as certainly as anything documented on the internet <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> )<br><br>... is he working for the CIA? was the entire series of trades (with real live people who you could no doubt contact easily for verification) faked? If not, what if he'd failed to trade successfully and not got the media coverage? I saw his blog when he first started out, I don't see any reason to suspect that he personally is anything other than a guy who got lucky with an internet gimmick...<br><br>I mean..... DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS IN ANY WAY SINISTER OR <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>INTENTIONALLY</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> RELATED TO PROJECT PAPERCLIP APART FROM THE FACT THAT IT INVOLVES THE DREADED WORD 'PAPERCLIP'!!!??? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>I then went to google and typed in the word "paperclip" and the story was, and stiil is, the first thing that pops up.<br>It bumped an article about "Operation Paperclip" further down the page.<br>It's still on there, but now it's second from the bottom.<br><br>It seems to be deliberate, IMHO.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>It seems to be THE WAY GOOGLE WORKS IM-not-so-very-HO!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>IE: The story is popular due to news + blog coverage... thus lots of people link... thus it gets high ratings. <br><br>I guess that could be considered 'keyword hijacking' if you imagine that bumping project paperclip info one notch down on google is worth that much effort someone! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Go look at the featured DVDs at Borders and look for militarist, pro-men/anti-women/anti-black themes. Loads of 'em.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Welcome to Hollywood. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>HMW, I'm not here just to mock your theories, but I can't just resist commenting because of the absurdity of what you seem to be saying. Forgive me if i've misunderstood, but the logic you use seems to be extendable to pretty much <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>everything in the world ever</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> being a keyword hijacking subliminal message... Do you really seriously believe that the featured DVDs in Borders spell out covert evil memes? <br><br>Have you worked at borders? do you know what the system is for deciding which dvds are featured? Here's an idea: go strike up a conversation with someone who works there... maybe you will find out that these DVDs are selected in a mundane and non-orchistrated way... or maybe the employee will look worried and whisper to you the dark secret rumours of shadowy figures determining their shelf-stocking systems... <br><br>Either way you'll be learnining something as opposed to making stuff up on the internets. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>What if I started playing your game + look at what's in the sale section in HMV... what if it signifies a totally different agenda!? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> maybe they're advocating peace and love through judicious placement of cut-price prog rock albums? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>maybe... oh I don't know... any old nonsense i could make up would be as convincing (ie not at all) as your mixed bag of zombies. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>was turned into a pro-capitalism allegory.<br><br>"See? Everyone who plays can win cuz we all get what we want!" Classic 'opportunity' fable.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>- I ACTUALLY AGREE with this bit... I don't understand how you can be perceptive about this kind of thing (ie the usual sensible ideas about how totally evil the media is that any reasonable person could see) and then totally go off on one about how two vaguely similarly themed films being released vaguely around the same vague time are specially titled... FOR EVIL! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: His Manatee's Voice

Postby Dreams End » Thu Jul 20, 2006 9:57 pm

has anyone seen my thread?<br><br>I left it here a bit ago, but now I can't seem to find it.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I think Hugh may be onto something

Postby NewKid » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:01 pm

Paul McKenna does similar stuff as well. I think this is the guy who had a girlfriend break up with him on live tv or something. <br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MrJzClMrks&search=paul%20mckenna" target="top">www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MrJzClMrks&search=paul%20mckenna</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9194165071376020996&q=paul+mckenna" target="top">video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9194165071376020996&q=paul+mckenna</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby biaothanatoi » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:24 pm

The reason I don't buy it is because, if it were real, he's just filmed himself committing several very illegal acts that would land him in jail for a long time.<br><br>Also - the flashing lights = comatose trance bit ... I don't think so. You can't just switch someone "off" with a signal like that unless they've undergone some kind of classical conditioning. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby professorpan » Thu Jul 20, 2006 10:46 pm

LilyPat, I'm sorry that mind control skits or references upset you. I can understand that completely. But do I think such things should be verboten outside the SRA/MC community? For freedom of speech as well as artistic reasons, I'd say no.<br><br>DE -- Derren has formed a persona as someone who can manipulate and control perception and behavior. His style is relatively unique in the history of mentalism (though there have been similar approaches in the past, Derren has made it his specialty). <br><br>Being the creative entertainer he is, and living in our short-attention span world, he, like any magician/mentalist, needs to keep his name and reputation. So he comes up with novel ideas. Just like any creative artist, he comes up with some half-baked stuff, but eventually finds something compelling that sticks. In this case, the videogame scenario clicked -- and it worked, as we're seeing in this thread. <br><br>David Blaine has taken the mind-over-matter public stunt to new heights -- that's his current niche.<br><br>When you pose the question "Is he really doing X, or is he doing Y?" you're entering territory I can't answer. Exposure of methodology is the bane of magic. But I will say this: The goal of a mentalist is to make you wonder if it's real or not. Not to convince you that he's really a master manipulator, or psychic, or a clever reader of body language. Mentalists have always known that controversy benefits them. After every Derren Brown special, you can find thousands of web postings from people trying to figure out how he did X or Y, or those claiming they know how it's done. That kind of publicity is priceless. The same thing goes for Blaine.<br><br>I think the interesting thing Derren's magic does is make people question how easily they can be manipulated. That refutes Hugh's dismissal of such entertainment as being sinister or malign. If people start questioning how they can be forcibly led to a conclusion, or directed to do something against their best judgment, it could very well cause them to investigate behavioral techniques.<br><br>If you really want to understand how mentalism works, there are plenty of books and videos on the subject. The problem is, once you see how certain things are done, the "magic" of being fooled and mystified fizzles. That's one of the problems about being in-the-know. I have a hard time disengaging my critical mentalist self when I watch another performer -- I'm thinking "Is he using method X or Y?" <br><br>I'm sorry I can't say "Oh, here's how he did it." Mentalism is the most secretive branch of magic. But it's also the most rewarding to perform, in my opinion. Helping people to experience a moment of mystery in their lives, to astonish someone and make him or her experience a sense of child-like wonder -- that makes me feel like I'm doing something very positive. It's nice to see people gasp, and smile, and leave the lobby having conversations about what is possible in the often dreary, mundane, soul-crushing world.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby greencrow0 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:01 pm

The scenario probably went something like this.<br><br>Guy advertises for some university students to participate in some psychological role playing for a fee. Apparently that's big in the UK...paying young people to be medical guinnea pigs.<br><br>Anyway, the guy agrees and signs a paper saying that he agrees to be 'scared' and to be 'hypnotized'. He will be paid for the effort.<br><br>He's then told to meet the other participants at a local bar where they will be given free drinks. That's all. They're just supposed to spend the evening drinking in the bar. However, as we saw, there was a trap waiting for the 'right' participant in the experiment.<br><br>GC <p></p><i></i>
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