Implanting 'false memories' to help dieters

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Implanting 'false memories' to help dieters

Postby FugitiveInitiate » Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:21 pm

This article disgusts me on so many levels I can't even comment on it. <br><br>(Anyone familiar with SRA knows the damage Elizabeth Loftus and the 'false memory' movement has done to survivors and the therapists who are dedicated to helping them.)<br><br>---------------<br>Aug. 3, 2005, 3:53PM<br>Researchers play mind tricks to help dieters lose weight<br>By ROSIE MESTEL<br>Los Angeles Times<br><br>In their battle against the bulge, desperate dieters have tried drugs, surgery, exercise, counseling, creams and even electrical fat-burning belts.<br><br>Now some psychologists have a new idea: Lying.<br><br>A team led by psychologist <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Elizabeth Loftus</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> of the University of California, Irvine, found that it could persuade people to avoid fattening foods by implanting unpleasant childhood memories about the food — even though the event never happened.<br><br>In a paper published in Tuesday's edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the team said it successfully turned people off strawberry ice cream and, in earlier studies, it has done the same with pickles and hard-boiled eggs — in each case, by manipulating the subjects to believe the foods made them sick when they were children.<br><br>The scientists say they also have successfully implanted positive opinions about asparagus by convincing subjects that they once loved the vegetable.<br><br>The method, if perfected, could induce people to eat less of what they shouldn't and more of what they should, Loftus said.<br><br>In the ice cream experiment, Loftus and her team asked 131 students to fill out forms about food experiences and preferences, including questions about experiences with strawberry ice cream. The subjects were then given an analysis of their responses that was supposed to indicate their "true" likes and dislikes.<br><br>Forty-seven students, however, were inaccurately told that the analysis made it clear they had gotten sick from eating strawberry ice cream as a child. Of these, almost 20 percent later agreed that they had been sickened by the treat and that they intended to avoid it.<br><br>The findings were stronger in a second experiment where students were asked to provide details about the imaginary strawberry ice cream episode. In that case, 41 percent of the subjects given erroneous information later believed the tale and said they intended to avoid the food.<br><br>Weight-control experts expressed interest in the study, but were skeptical about using implanted memories as a dieting technique.<br><br>Deliberately implanting memories "raises profound ethical questions," said Stephen Behnke, director of the ethics office of the American Psychological Association.<br><br>The food studies are the latest in a string of memory experiments by Loftus, a professor of psychology and criminology at UC Irvine.<br><br>Loftus is most famous for her position on recovered memories of childhood sexual abuse. Based on her work, she has suggested that most of these memories were probably false. <p></p><i></i>
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bad logic

Postby Dreams End » Fri Aug 05, 2005 1:57 am

This sort of stuff helps to reinforce the invalid logic:<br><br>False memories can be implanted by hypnosis(anyone whose gone to a hypnosis performance at a fair can attest to that.<br><br>Therefore all "recovered" memories are false.<br><br>Hey, here's a fun fact: Most "recovered" memories are not recovered during hypnosis or even during therapy. It's most often some sensory trigger that does it. <br><br>Here is an absolutely superb site on abuse memories. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.jimhopper.com/memory/">www.jimhopper.com/memory/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I had absolutely no idea that so much solid research had been done in this area. There are tons of different studies here, all suggesting that traumatic memories are indeed often lost to partial amnesia (they don't use the word "repression" because that takes them into the realm of speculating on the mechanism that creates the amnesia...not the point of these studies) and that memories of trauma that are restored after a period of amnesia about the incidents are of the same reliability as continuous memories of such incidents.<br><br>One of the interesting studies actually looked into the abuse memories that had been recovered and sought verification. They were able to do so a surprising number of times...even obtaining confessions from perpetrators on an occasion or two.<br><br>I won't excerpt the studies here, but this is a treasure trove of data. It's actually worth a longer post but I don't have time at the moment.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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badscience

Postby jenz » Fri Aug 05, 2005 6:29 am

Thanks Dreams end for this reference. In the Loftus experiment, 20 per cent of those whom they attempted to con into believing that the data they had collected proved ice cream made them sick as children, agreed that it had? alternative explanation - it had actually made them sick, say at least once, as children. having been sick on ice cream once doesn't put a child off the food does it? I've known people who find getting sick on lager no disincentive to trying the substance again, and again. SRA detractors will use any amount of bad science to prove their point. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: badscience

Postby ZeroHaven » Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:14 am

Hey! I do that to myself to some degree. "Cleaning makes me happy", "I enjoy working" and visualize myself doing it and being happy. Self-hypnosis?<br><br>The science story here doesn't really reflect hypnosis tho. What it does show is that there's a whole big group of people who are very very gullible and easily swayed by authority. Someone tells them a big fat lie and they not only blindly accept it, but integrate it into their thinking. <br><br>I wonder if these diet people are simply exploiting the groundwork that's already been done in turning average folks into blathering unthinking sheeple. I cannot fathom that humans are naturally that stupid. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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Re: badscience

Postby FugitiveInitiate » Fri Aug 05, 2005 7:40 pm

Dreams End, thanks for that excellent site.<br><br>Zero, I couldn't agree more about turning people into unthinking sheeple. Everything seems to be working together toward this end. <p>"The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein</p><i></i>
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Re: badscience

Postby ZeroHaven » Fri Aug 05, 2005 9:33 pm

I just wanted to add that this story made it to the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/3510/" target="top">Museum of Hoaxes</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->.<br>One commentor put it best: "I'd hate to see what effect normal TV advertising has on them." <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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