Solara? Triggers?

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:16 pm

I have no idea what you're talking about. I didn't know that I used any Hebrew terms, one perhaps, which doesn't transliterate properly into english, especially in the esoteric sense. You'd have to be more specific.

by **israelirealities** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:23 pm

Sefirot, daat and kelipot are all Hebew words. They have esoteric and modern uses. If I were you, I'd first look them up just as words, cause that's what they are. If I did Kabbalah (which I wouldn't recommend to anyone - the people in this business are sharlatans, sorcerers and the followers are gullible food on their plate), I'd look up the term as it was devised in the Hebrew, you'd be able immediatley, with YOUR intelligence, to see how the regular mundane word was used in the metaphorical sense for the explanation of the mystical concept. But anyway, I'd first look up the words, cause they are just plain words (they sound "awesome" cause they are a different language).

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:37 pm

oh, well I'm aware of that. What does that have to do with anything? Most of the "Kaballah" interpretations I'm using are "christianized" anyhow. The actual semi-old Jewish mysticism isn't nearly so convoluted, and its modern equivalent (ala Madonna) is recently invented. I'm aware that they're mundane terms, especially in regards to modern usage, but they are the "accepted" terms for certain esoteric "concepts" which the words themselves are no more capable of describing than they would be in any other language. "Kaballah" as an institution is perhaps only a few hundred years old, at best. However, in various Gnosticisms the "concepts" are recurring and much older. We use the Hebrew words for them, essentially because they sound unlike Western words, and help to convey to the mind (of one who isn't familiar with Hebrew) that we aren't speaking of mundane things. I wasn't attempting a definition of the words, but the "concepts" as relevant to westernized Occultism. I was explaining what I meant when I used the term, not what would normally be meant by the term. I personally don't like these terms as they are both inaccurrate and unneccessary, but they are those used by my peers, so I am bound to them. (I'm more familiar with Hebrew than you might think, me being a silly American boy and all, but I gather your meaning now, and I thank you for your well meant advice) I'm not a kaballist. I do study many things that would today be filed under this label, so I often use "their" (western occultism/modern QBLH) terms when speaking to others. My own personal preference actually Voudoun terms, as I find they have more precise esoteric meaning. Of course, Hinduism and Buddhism also have precise terms for imprecise concepts, so they're useful too. Its just "Zandoric" might've been harder to google, then again maybe not. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">

by **Col Quisp** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:02 pm

Hey HH, I'm a lapsed voudonist myself. Who is your met tete? I have a hunch, but probably wrong. Gran Bwa? Mine, for better or worse, is Erzulie Freda. She is never satisfied.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:45 pm

.: Do what thou Wilt shall be the whole of the Law (etc. etc.--ad infinitum) Didn't know there were any hounsi at all hiding out here. Good to know. How's the relationship working out? One of my Santeria 'acquaintances' introduced me to Yemaya [stells maris] whom I assume is an aspect (one of dozens) of Ezrulie, she was quite...pleasant, to say the least. As an Occult practicioner of the Western Vein specifically Thelema v. Sumer, I have a pleasant ongoing dialogue with Ogou [Bhathalah] as he is a "type" of the Prime Graeco-Egyptian deity of Thelema: Heru-Ra-Ha. That is, "he" is a combination Trickster/Martial/Demiurgic Christ-figure, and an archangel of the Benai Elohim in this sense. ("Gren mwe fret" is 2nd veil Thelema via Ogoun Badagris, I should say) But he isn't my patron, just my compatriot. As for my "master": During the lave tête I was "dedicated" to the service (& vice versa) of Loko Ati-sou. We get along splendidly. We both like the same kinds of girls, hang out in the same places, listen to the same music, all in all, a match made in Heaven[Yesod]. Loko has been very loyal, so I cannot complain. Back in the day I would occassionally "Servir a deux mains", so to speak(Hence my dealing with "Qlippothic" entities/energies), but I stopped 'cause it kept giving me asthma problems trying to juggle all those "balls". Love is the Law, Love under Will :. Cheers, SHCR

by **Col Quisp** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:58 pm

Om HA, HH! You never know where we'll turn up. Heh. Well, I haven't fed the loa lately so I'm in big trouble. Voudon is REAL, not just mumbo jumbo. Erzulie Freda has taken me for a ruff ride. She took my husband from me cuz he was aligned with Legba (one of HER husbands!). She is jealous and wants more more more luxury. Never enough. Her bitter tears are the waters of return. Get my drift? Thought you would.

by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 12:25 am

My appreciation with Voudou (and its variants) is precisely because its REAL. Of course, a lot of Occultism is real, but as "direct effect" as this is. I try to feed the monster as often as possible, so as to avoid its crankiness. Voud is not for the timid, nor for the dabbler. Its entities, even the "nice" "good" ones are a hell of a lot scarier than the "evil" "demons" of western religion. Loko has been my ally in many "contests" with the 'Zandoric'-type threads of the Molech worshippers. And Gu really hates that Merqdat, "fucking pussy child eater" says. (Ogou sez Molech is moving right now, btw) I find that even the Pre-Sumerian "lovecraftian" cthonic entities, like the Molech variants, are scared of the bigger LOA. One must be careful riding with the Loa, as one will often find one is riding alone. The Loa are jealous gods.

by **banned** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 3:53 am

...that woman who couldn't sing? No wait, that was Pia Zadora. What's a met tete? Tete is head. Do I want to know? I googled, found a French site that said Le Met Tete was: "( la Force Cosmique double, l'Esprit Guardien)" Do you think Yemanja had anything to do with Katrina?

by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am

met tete, is your "rider". Your "patron saint" so to speak in this post-African religion. Most hounsi have (at least) one such shadow matter entity that accompanies them. An aspect of their god of dedication. Like a "familiar" to a witch, only scarier and/or more useful. Yemaya is a fairly nice girl. Its unlikely she'd hurt so many of her own people. She's always been friendly to me. Of course, we've never met "directly", so to speak, so I can't say for sure. "Zandor" is a composite name for groups/individuals(dead or alive)/school/type of Loa. Black Magick. VERY black. Its flavor is the equivalent, roughly, of the icky things described above. I suggest against looking too closely into it. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|">

by **israelirealities** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:49 am

Also suggest against looking to close into Kaballa. I don't know why it became so fashionable these days, must be something to do with money...<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"> I am not surprised that major battles are now waged against the law, and lawyers, cause this is the only medicine against ritual crap. the law.

by **banned** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:50 am

Ever since a Ouija board got snarky with me and my cousin when I was in junior high and scared the living crapola out of us so bad we threw the board in the box and my cousin ran it down the street to the person she borrowed it from, my feeling is, I dowanna talk to these entities, don't care who they are, what their name is, what religion believes in them. Don't want any part of them. I've already mentioned elsewhere having been attacked by demons I didn't even summon, someone else did and sic'd them on me. Very unpleasant. Cannot IMAGINE actually calling one up for 'fun.' On the other hand, there are times I wish I was psychokinetic and could make certain people explode like jars of botulinic jam. SO it's not like I'm holier than thou.

by **Homeless Halo** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:05 am

I don't call them up for "fun". Well, sometimes, but not often. Mostly for information. QBLH is somehow trendy now in America. I find its usefulness is limited to semantics and a way to store/explain numerological correspondences. As a lens through which to view Occultism in general, it makes it easier to explain to people who don't actually DO Occultism. Its also fun to compare/contrast modern Jewish mysticism with first and second temple mainsteam Judaism and/or "Jewish" Gnosticism of various sorts (like Jesus, for instance). A "demon" by the way, is a generic term, and could easily refer to the "nice" kind as the "mean" kind. And all the kinds who are both/neither(like Satan). I find the egregore to be infinitely more useful, in a practical sense(DOING things), than a summoned Goetic "demon" or anything of that sort. The Nkisi works well for this. As does the Chaotic pardigm's "thoughtforms" although the Modern Ritual Magicians methods are somewhat weak and watered down as they exist in mostly the bubblehead "New Age" form today. You can make a "guard dog" egregore to bark/bite other etheric parasites that invade your "space". This is essentially what the "positive" Nkisi is. Ouija is fun, and doesn't neccessarily require "outside" influence. I tend to work it more in the sense of "automatic writing" or something similar. My biggest issue with Ouija is how freaking long it takes to get anything coherent.

by **banned** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:21 am

We asked "What is your name?" It answered "Jemama." We giggled because it was a funny name. The thingie took off and spelled out lickety split "You are stupid girls who laugh at what you do not understand." ZOWIE back in the box and outa the house. My mother refused to have one in the house, said it was evil, but my cousin brought the borrowed one over from the neighbor when Mom wasn't there. For once, my mother was right.

Solara? Triggers?

IR:

Re: IR:

re: Kaballah

Re: re: Kaballah

[Ku-bha-sah] Colonel:

Re: [Ku-bha-sah] Colonel:

Col

Wasn't Zandoric...

banned:

Re: re: Kaballah

Don't worry, I won't.

well

Didn't take us long.

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