What do we know about Fritz Springmeier?

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What do we know about Fritz Springmeier?

Postby biaothanatoi » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:40 pm

A psych I know who treats RA survivors is reading Springmeier's stuff on RA - you know, "Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave" - and I'm trying to point her towards better stuff eg Sara Scott, Valerie Sinason, Kevin Marron, etc. <br><br>What is Springmeier's deal? I've read a few interviews, but I'm wondering if anyone knows anything more about his background, involvement with RA survivors, etc. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby ir » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:55 pm

the stuff that on the net, he presented himself as former programmer, and accompanied a survivor whose name I forgot now (a woman) in her quest for deprogramming. i read his lengthy accounts, and without assessment of veracity, it has a resonance with those who have been victimized by MC programming. <br>I think he actually believes in the existence of a specific cult-group with historical/spiritual roots, and I don't actually think these generational groups of satanic domination exist in that form, but I think programming has it as a "cosmogeny" instilled in the victim. this is the only way I am able to make sense of the contents that is coming out of my brain. For instance, I have had geyser like burst of information coming from ME on -<br>Henry the 8th and his relationship with Ann Bulleyn, on very detailed format, and I am israeli, hardly knew of the story except that he existed; i had tons of informatino coming from me on hermetic golden dawn people, mainly Ann Kingsford and Edward Maitland, again in the most minute, specific details; all of this within a certain structure of events, or historical/spiritual causality, related to jews as well, kaballa, messianic ideas about women being the next messiah, about ann bulleyn being an incarnation of that "returning lady", and a host of blavatzky information.<br>reading sprinmeyer assisted me in a non logical, non rational way, but also was extremely triggering and difficult. I decided to suspend judgment on who he was and where he is coming from, and just use the material to trigger myself and let more stuff out. from my programs, I can see that someone is instilling a world of ideas, but that does not mean they actually exist. in fact, since I know for sure those perps are mad as can be, I tend to dismiss any concept coming from that source. <br>I read somewhere that he was harassed and attacked by cult members for this disclosure, which renders him more reliable. <br>I also communicated, about 7 years ago with another person who claimed to have been a programmer (from the US marine, who lived near Monterey somewhere). Although I am not sure what his story is, he certainly had acquaintance with my program and so i was able to "unlock" certain sort of "closed circles" in the system.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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ps, name of that person, maybe rings a bell

Postby ir » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:00 pm

presented himself as Charles (Chuck) Coffee.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: ps, name of that person, maybe rings a bell

Postby Dreams End » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:18 am

Associated with army of god. In jail. No sources. Luciferian Jews. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Postby mr e » Fri Dec 16, 2005 6:21 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> Associated with army of god. In jail. No sources. Luciferian Jews.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Um ... I've read a lot of Springmeier's stuff. I don't recall anything even remotely anti-Jewish or singling out Jews. <br><br>mr e <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Dreams End » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:00 pm

You mean like this:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Cromwell was financed by Jews, and helped the Jews gain power in England. Cromwell was willing to go along with the Jews, because he became convinced of British Israelism. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Since the core of the conspiracy of power is Jewish,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the attitude of those allied with it hinges on their attitude toward the Jewish people.Bloodlines of the Illuminati 11. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>According to one source "it was estimated that they controlled half the wealth of the world."(50) The Federal Reserve Bank of New York was controlled by five banks which owned 53% of its stock. These five banks were controlled by Nathan M. Rothschild & Sons of London. Control over the U.S. Fed is basically control over the world’s money. That fact alone shows how immense the Rothschild Power is. If one examines who has been appointed to head the Fed, and to run it, the connections of the "Federal" Reserve System to the Rothschilds can further be seen.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>or this:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The Rothschilds’ have several agents which their money got started and who still serve them well, the Morgans and the Rockefellers. The Rockefellers were Marrano Jews.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This article goes on to talk about how the Rothschilds control the Catholic Church and just about everything else. Notice above how the Morgans and Rockefellers are said to "serve" the Rothschilds. <br><br>I'll admit that Sprinmeier's overall conspiracy theory goes well beyond Jews and his version of Jews is the secret cabal within Judaism etc. etc. But it is clear that the Jewish financial control is central to his thesis. Not sure how you could miss it. More here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.whale.to/b/blood_q.html">www.whale.to/b/blood_q.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Since we are on the subject, here is a fascinating article about Fritz. It is written from the perspective of Christians who I guess had worked with him and includes testimony from his wife. For bioathanoi, who I know is trying to find some reliable info and for others who follow this topic, notice the familiar pattern here. Fritz finds a woman who is a victim of the Illuminati, proceeds to "deprogram" and "protect" her, then becomes her lover...<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>WHO IS FRITZ SPRINGMEIER<br><br>Fritz Artz Springmeier is regarded as one of the foremost authorities on the Illuminati and mind control. He has been on numerous radio shows and spoken at several conferences. A prolific writer, Springmeier has published several books, most notably, Be Wise As Serpents, The Watchtower and the Masons, The Top 13 Illuminati Bloodlines, The Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Controlled Slave and Deeper Insights.<br><br>Although Mr. Springmeier has disseminated a plethora of intriguing information, a veil of mystery surrounds this renowned researcher. Born in Garden City, Kansas on Sept. 24, 1955, Fritz’ previous name was Victor Earl Schoof, which he legally changed in 1987. The most recent name he uses may, in fact, be likened to a puzzle. Several survivors of ritual abuse and mind control have indicated being profoundly triggered after seeing or hearing his pseudonym. Fritz was the name Josef Mengele used while hiding out in South America. "Spring" in occult lingo means new. Meier may be a derivative of the German word meister, which means master. Hence; the new master in the likeness of Josef Mengele.<br><br>Arthur Alexander was either an Uncle or Grandfather on his mother’s side. One source claims Fritz' birth name is Arthur Alexander, Jr., however, this has not been cross referenced or objectively substantiated. Fritz’ father worked as an agricultural engineer for the United Nations and was assigned to such locations as Nepal, Libya, and Hawaii. After Fritz graduated from high school, he allegedly attended West Point. When Texe Marrs checked into his credentials, he found out there was no record of Fritz (or Victor Schoof) ever attending there.<br><br>Springmeier became interested in the Jehovah’s Witnesses, even though he supposedly became a Christian during his ‘teen years. While attending Kingdom Hall, he met a woman who he eventually married and had a child together. This marriage did not last long, as his wife filed for divorce on the grounds of child abuse – a charge that was never proven. The custody rights of their young son went to her. Disgruntled over the court decision, Fritz kidnaped the boy and fled to Oregon from the mid-west. He eluded law enforcement for about two years and was finally captured by the FBI. Springmeier was sentenced and served an unspecified amount of time in a federal prison. Some time after his release, he went back to Oregon and became involved in a counter-cult ministry to JW’s called, Witness Inc.<br><br>Due to unresolved disagreements with the leadership of the organization, he abruptly left. Shortly thereafter, Fritz joined another ministry but departed for reasons unknown. Around this time period, Springmeier met a Christian woman and married for the second time. He jokingly told her the reason he married her was because of her bloodline, which comes from an Illuminati family. She later came to the realization that it may have been closer to truth than not.<br><br>In the early 1990's, Fritz decided to go into full time ministry, along with being a stay-home dad with their new born son. While doing research on the Illuminati, he came across a woman by the name of Linda Anderson, who uses the alias, Cisco Wheeler. She is reputed to be a survivor of MK ULTRA-MONARCH programming. Springmeier became fascinated by her vast wealth of information, which he used extensively in his newsletters and books. This fascination soon turned into an obsession as Fritz started regularly spending the night at her house in order to protect her from being accessed. Strangely, Cisco’s husband lived in another dwelling next to the house, but did not seem to mind Fritz staying there. Springmeier’s wife, however, was quite concerned and upset over her husband s close relationship with Cisco. He would tell those close around him that his wife did not understand how important it was that he stay close to Cisco because her life was in jeopardy and he was one of the few people that could truly help her.<br><br>As a result of all the turmoil within the Springmeier family, their youngest son was experiencing severe emotional problems. Fritz’ wife took him to a therapist for an evaluation. The therapist felt the youngster may have been traumatized through sexual abuse. Another counselor also evaluated the psychological report and drew the same conclusion.<br><br>One day, Fritz’ wife found a black box under their bed. To her astonishment, there were several fake ID’s with Fritz’ picture on many of them. He used such aliases as Ian McDiarmid, Peter Dunne, Amos Eicher, and Vernon Schwartz. Fritz’ wife could no longer deal with his deceptiveness, insensitivity and abandonment so she filed for a divorce.<br><br>Shortly before the couple parted, Fritz and Cisco went to a mind control symposium in Texas and introduced her as Mrs. Springmeier. Many thought he was arrogant and obnoxious as he constantly interrupted the speakers and thought he should have been a presenter because of his vast knowledge about MPD, mind control, and ritual abuse. Also around this time, he was given a large sum of money, specifically for the the reprinting of two different books he’d written. Much to the dismay of the benefactor, he used only a small portion of the money for the books as most of it was used frivolously on personal items for Linda. The books were already made and stored by someone who was formerly in ministry with Fritz and who worked as a liaison between him and the printer.<br><br>In July 1996, Fritz and Cisco tried to get the books from this individual by banging on his door around 3:30 A.M., but were told he needed to pay the printer for them first. This infuriated Fritz who called the police and accused this person of stealing his books. The police talked to the printer to get his side of the story and he reconfirmed that the books were not officially the property of Springmeier because he had not paid for them. The police then told Fritz and Cisco to vacate the property, which they proceeded to do with much disdain.<br><br>In 1997, Springmeier wrote a letter, peculiarly titled, "Affidavit," to those on his mailing list. He charged Terry Cook, Ron Patton, and his second ex-wife, with conspiracy to bring his ministry down. Much of this confusing and poorly written letter was riddled with innuendos, half-truths and lies. For instance, he mentions, " Several people from the Terry Cook and Ron Patton group called Texe Marrs and simply slandered me with outright fabrications." First of all, there was never a connection between Cook and Patton. Mr. Patton called Terry Cook once regarding information about Carl Sanders. He also concocted a story saying Ron Patton had been under the tutelage of the Jesuits and was an alcoholic before converting to Protestantism. There is no evidence to substantiate these erroneous claims either. Further along in his writing, Fritz comments that, "Several people have told me my ex-wife is controlled by demons and given her life to Satan." Once again, he makes outlandish accusations to discredit those who he perceives as trying to destroy his ministry. His ex-wife has been attending a strong Bible believing church for several years and the leadership and congregation can attest to the solid faith she has in Jesus Christ.<br><br>This letter may have, in fact, been written as a form of damage control because Ron Patton had written an article titled, "Exposing the Exposers," in the Spring 1997 issue of his newsletter, Endure To The End. Essentially, Patton questioned why Springmeier aloud himself to be interviewed by the CIA front tabloid, CONTACT (December 17, 1996). Ron makes an interesting observation: during the interview, Fritz acknowledges his calling in life is to be a religious and social reformer. Coincidentally, in his book, The Illuminati Formula Used To Create A Total Mind Controlled Slave, he states on page 14 that one of the occupations the programmers select and groom for a young child under mind control is a religious and social reformer. This presents the question: why would Fritz use such precise wording to describe himself and why would a Christian use such ambiguous terminology for his calling?<br><br>Throughout the years, Fritz Springmeier has made numerous predictions of what will come to pass, yet were unfulfilled. In one of his newsletters in 1992, he adamantly predicted a December stock market crash due to the nation’s banks collapsing. However, he did admit he was inaccurate in his forecast and sent an apology letter to those on his mailing list. In another 1992 newsletter, he predicted that President George Bush would be reelected. Again, Fritz sent another letter to his readers to explain that his inside source told him of Bush’s inevitable second term in the White House, but the elite must have changed their minds and decided on Bill Clinton. In yet another document, entitled, Important Messages from the Desk of Fritz Springmeier, he unabashedly remarked, "The leadership in both Russia and the U.S. are preparing for war. From 8:00A.M. to 6:00P.M. on June 6, 1996 the proper [planetary] alignments will occur to detonate numerous nuclear devices." Of course, no catastrophic event Springmeier was predicting ever occurred. In 1999, Fritz writes a lengthy article: The war in the Balkans is following a script to create WWIII. In the beginning of the article, he states, "Over two weeks ago, this author was given inside information that the New World Order (NWO) had pulled all their key people -- specialists, and so forth out of San Diego, CA. These people were given a secret high-level briefing which told them to leave San Diego by April 3 [1999] and that their reason to leave was that Russia was going to drop nuclear bombs on San Diego, Seattle, NYC . . ." As we well know, this did not take place either. Springmeier apparently believed this was going to occur as he illegally entrenched himself on someone’s property in Eastern Washington.<br><br>In conclusion, one could surmise, after thoroughly analyzing the evidence presented that Fritz Springmeier does, in fact, have a hidden agenda. Although he has put out an enormous amount of information on topics relating to the NWO, he tickles the ears of the listeners and readers, thereby exploiting his expertise as a cover or front. Granted, some of his books have been an invaluable asset to many counselors and therapists whose clients are SRA and MC survivors, but has it proven to be a cure-all for complete de-programming? Several survivors have commented that while staying at Cisco’s house, there were sexual relations going on between the two of them. Is this appropriate conduct for a man who calls himself a Christian? Also, if Fritz is such an expert in de-programming, where are all the survivors he has personally helped and why hasn’t Cisco been set free from her programming?<br><br>The Holy Bible warns us of wolves in sheep’s clothing and in due time, the Lord reveals who are truly His and who are of the devil. Let us not forget that this is a spiritual battle and souls are at stake. We should therefore pray that Fritz Springmeier be genuinely convicted by the Holy Spirit and surrender before the throne of Jesus Christ.<br><br>This is a letter from Mrs. Gail Springmeier (his second wife) that she wrote to Texe Marrs.<br><br>THE LETTER FROM MRS. GAIL SPRINGMEIER<br><br>Written to Texe Marrs, Director<br>Power of Prophecy Ministry<br>1708 Patterson Road, Austin, Texas 78733<br><br>Dear Texe and Secretaries,<br><br>This last month has been a confusing time in the life of this family. I’ve acted in a way that seemed expedient for the safety of my children and myself. Texe, you and your staff members have always been very kind, patient, and polite during my interactions with you, and I want to give all of you a personal explanation as to why our phone suddenly was changed to an unlisted number, that you could no longer reach us. I also want to give you my personal apology for not informing you long ago about my husband’s moral failings, his abandonment of his family, and the major problem he has with authority.<br><br>For the past 16 months Fritz has lived outside our family. I can count on two hands the number of times that he has spent the night in our home during that time. He has basically been using his home as an office. He has been "de-programming and protecting" this Satanically-ritually abused woman, who has Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). Perhaps you have seen a copy of the book they co-authored "An Illustrated Guide to Monarch Mind Control," by Fritz Springmeier and Cisco Wheeler. Cisco is the name of an alter ego within the MPD system, of a woman whose name is actually Linda Johnson.<br><br>In March 1995, Fritz and Cisco traveled to a symposium in Texas using the names Fritz and Cisco Springmeier. The shared the same motel room and were generally known to be husband and wife. It was several weeks later that I discovered this when someone called for Fritz and assumed that I must be Cisco when I answered the phone. I also know for a fact that Fritz and Cisco share the same bedroom at her house (supposedly always in different beds), so that he can protect her from being triggered by "astral-projections," and access in general. Although Linda's husband lives in his own apartment behind the garage on the same property, I have no understanding of how he tolerates his wife's sleeping arrangements.<br><br>I have been prayerfully trying to break Fritz away from this situation. Every Christian friend that knows about this situation has told him that he needs to put his family before "ministry" and his personal needs, and that he needs to realize that he is abandoning his family. I have tried to be loving toward him, and be as supportive of his ministry as I can. I have tried to show him that there is room for his ministry at home. Finally, however, I have come to realize that I can't draw him away from Cisco, and that I'm now very little more than a Christian front for a "ministry" and the writings of a man badly deceived and outside of the protective cover of any Godly authority structure.<br><br>I love my husband, but for the sake of our children and Fritz's soul itself, I will no longer support his "ministry," nor will I hide his sin. Our children have suffered greatly by Fritz's abandonment. Our 14 year old, Michael, is actually my child from my first marriage and his father is deceased, however, Fritz has been his step dad for half his life. Michael no longer respects Fritz, because he is old enough to see what is going on and how badly his mother is hurt by Fritz's lack of attention. Sadly, the fact that Fritz lives with Linda has become common knowledge with our 4-year-old, Erick, and he acts out his anger with aggressive attitudes and hitting.<br><br>Also, Fritz's "ministry" is not supporting itself. Just a couple of weeks ago Fritz was suggesting that we borrow $17,000.00 on the equity of our home to pay the printing of 3000 "Top 13 Illuminati" books (so he could sell 1000 of them to you).<br><br>My teaching job is the mainstay of this family, and besides our great provider, our Heavenly Father, our home is our only security. We have no savings, investments, etc., only our home and hundreds of unsold "Watchtower and Mason" books. By the way, Fritz still owes $2,500 to the publisher who printed those. The money from your last order was supposed to go directly to the publishers. It is unknown how it was spent, but it didn't get to the publishers.<br><br>The reason I changed our phone number is so that I would no longer need to explain that I had no idea when Fritz would be home, nor did I know when he gets up in the morning. I have simply refused to be a Christian front any longer. On Friday, August 25, 1995, Fritz was served with divorce papers. I need to see a repentant heart and behavioral change over a long period of time, before I'll even consider living with him again. So far, he is very angry with me, and acts out the appearance of being very unjustly treated. He states that I still don't "support his ministry and never have." I believe he sees "support" in dollars and cents, because a friend and I together saved him from several lawsuits for mail fraud last Summer and Fall, essentially saving his "ministry." You may remember getting calls from people wondering who this Fritz Springmeier was, and whether he should be trusted when he would cash checks, and not process an order for six months, or so.<br><br>I believe our friend and I did you a great disservice by saving Fritz from the consequences of his own action last year. Fritz wasn't every appreciative of our help, however, yet he shouldn't be able to look me in the face and say "you never have supported my ministry." It simply is not true.<br><br>In the first paragraph of this letter I referred to the safety of this family. I married Fritz, because I was in love and I felt he was a devoted Christian and a victim of his first wife. The fact remains, however, that Fritz is a convicted felon, and he spent time in prison. His crime was interfering with custodial rights and kidnapping his son. He was on the run with his son by his first marriage, James, for almost four years. During this time he used false identification under 6 or 7 names. A couple of weeks ago, I found this ID carefully filed away in a file box, with his current driver's license blown up, as if for examination for duplication. Fritz is trained as a grapho-analyst, and is a talented graphic artist. He has made his own driver's licenses before and a trusted friend says he has created more false ID. He saw Fritz with a current Canadian passport and credit cards under the name of "Amos Eicher," one of the aliases he used on the run. Why? I'm not sure, but I feel that he must be getting ready to run again. Until I can be sure of why he needs this ID, I'm seeking supervised visitation for Erick.<br><br>I don't even know who this man is any more. In recent months I have told Fritz that the only reason that I stuck with him were because I loved him and, although I didn't always agree that what he was doing was right, that I firmly believed that he thought he had God's approval for what he was doing. Well, I no longer believe in him, and I thought it only right to tell you openly and honestly that his life style is no longer Christian, and now you can determine how you want to deal with his "ministry."<br><br>I will say it again, I love Fritz and find no pleasure in discrediting him. In fact, last winter I wrote a long letter to the publishers of "The Little Cloud Report," Camille Blumstrum, defending my husband against their anti-Semitic accusations (I remember that you also wrote in his defense – thank you). I’m much more used to defending rather than discrediting, but I can no longer defend Fritz.<br><br>Again, I apologize for the "front" I maintained through July and the first weeks of August. I was trying to keep the appearance of a normal life, while finding out as much as I could about what Fritz was involved with. I realize that you have quoted Fritz in your books, and marketed his books, and I really hated to be a party to this and to put you in this position. God bless your ministry, and direct you in His way.<br><br>Gail Springmeier<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.eaec.org/expose/FritzSpringmeier1.htm">www.eaec.org/expose/Fritz...meier1.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Finally, on his recent legal troubles, Army of God, etc:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Our Existence is Unknown<br><br>By: John Stevens Investigative reporter<br><br>Fritz Springmeier, noted anti-government extremist with possible ties to the Army of God was convicted in federal district court in Portland, Oregon on February 12, 2003 for his involvement in a 1997 armed bank robbery. Proceeds from the robbery may have been used to finance paramilitary training.<br><br><br>For years, Springmeier has been a prolific author, as well as lecturer of anti-government extremist subjects. He has widely traveled the United States selling his books, lecturing and promoting his ideology. He may even have been recruiting new members for his paramilitary army.<br><br><br>Seemingly, I was the only media representative attending Springmeier's trial. It appears there is a media blackout on anything pertaining to him and his various anti-government<br>affiliations.<br><br><br>As reported in my February 18, 2003 story entitled "Dear John," I mentioned Jeff Weakley, Pastor of God's Remnant Church who is also connected to the Christian Patriot Association. Pastor Weakley was convicted in June, 2002 in federal court for his part in operating an illegal warehouse bank through the Christian Patriot Association. The warehouse bank allegedly handled millions of dollars.<br><br><br>I interviewed Pastor Weakley two years earlier. As I entered his office, I noticed him diagramming a flow chart. He immediately covered it up. I made note of what was on his chart and questioned him about it. He stated the flow chart listed loose verses strong connections to God's Remnant Church.<br><br> <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>The flow chart revealed God's Remnant Church/Christian Patriot Association as the hub of a wheel. The spokes reflected, in part, the following groups and individuals: Army of God, Springmeier, militias, KKK, Charles Stewart/Common Law Court, Neo-Nazis, Skin-Heads, NSV, Bo Gritz, hocked guns and the Indianapolis Church.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Pastor Weakley stated Springmeier may be the "leader (and) brains behind Army of God cells (and) activities." He further said there are "many invisible members," they are "very dangerous" and "I could get hurt" if I pursue my investigation. Further, individuals who go after the Army of God are "walking dead men."<br><br><br>God's Remnant Church, according to Pastor Weakley, is a Christian Identity Church. A 1986 Government publication prepared for federal criminal investigative and intelligence agencies by the Treasury Department states "Organizations with a propensity towards violence" include Identity Churches and Groups.<br><br> <br><br>The same publication defines the Christian Identity Movement as being a "spurious-Christian movement believing that white Anglo-Saxons, not Jews, are the 'true Israel' and God's chosen people." Anti-Semitic doctrine is central to their belief system.<br><br> <br><br>Many of the various "home-grown" anti-government extremists share the Identity Movement's theological views. The hard-core adherents believe a "Holy War" is necessary.<br><br> <br><br> Further, the same Government publication goes on to say "...They intend to cleanse our land with swords and violence resulting in a blood bath from one end of the country to the other and this will be a 'Holy War'." In addition, these extremists believe God has called them to action, through crimes of violence such as robberies, bombings and assassinations.<br><br> <br><br>Their beliefs are the antithesis of the Christian faith. They have corrupted the old Christian hymn, "Onward Christian Soldiers," from an exhortation of love to a philosophy of hate, violence and suspicion.<br><br><br>My "Dear John" story included quoted portions of a letter Springmeier sent me on October 7,1997. Some of the quoted statements follow: "... I am going undercover for a while, and will not be contactable... (My unit) is very limited financially in terms of cash flow.<br><br> <br><br> It might work out sometime for us to subcontract out a paramilitary operation for you... Please destroy this letter after you read it, our existence is unknown. If it looks like you need some additional manpower with firepower we might be able* to help..." (sic)<br><br><br>As I stated in my "Dear John " story, "I 'm unclear as to Fritz Springmeier's purpose or intent in writing me this letter.<br><br> I had only met with him a few times regarding another unrelated investigation. I did have a team, "TAG, " set up for an undercover drug operation in cooperation with out of state federal and military agencies. I suspect he misconstrued the nature of my team. "<br><br><br>Why would Springmeier, a professed Christian, a nationally recognized researcher, author and lecturer find it necessary to go undercover? Why does he have a paramilitary unit? Why is he offering me manpower and firepower?<br><br> <br><br>Why did he feel the letter he sent me needed to be destroyed? Why is it important for his unit's existence to remain unknown? Was his cash flow limitation and his need to finance paramilitary training the motive for robbing the bank?<br><br><br>Springmeier's conviction for his involvement in the 1997 armed bank robbery, his October 7,1997 letter to me, Pastor Weakley's flow chart listing Springmeier and his Army of God connection, the Pastor's strong conviction that Springmeier was involved in this particular armed bank robbery and Springmeier's own anti-government literature may support the theory that only the tip of the iceberg has been revealed.<br><br><br>The invisible arm of anti-government fringe groups surrounds us. Their existence is dependent on secrecy. Springmier is but one of many who embrace these doctrines; doctrines which may lead to violence and bloodshed. As Springmeier stated in his 1997 letter to me, "OUR EXISTENCE IS UNKNOWN."<br><br><br>February 28, 2003<br>John Stevens, investigative journalist (503)256-1656 email: ins@qcsn.com Copyright 2003 John Stevens All Rights Reserved<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.internationalnewssvc.com/investigative.htm">www.internationalnewssvc....gative.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Brittish occultism in Nazi ideologies of programmers ?

Postby ir » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:32 pm

now looking back again on the Springmeier "period" in my life, namely, a year i was obssessed with reading this and similar materials, i am wondering about the connection between those Nazi programmers and Brittish occultism. <br>While many victims (many, I mean those who have written in the internet and some books) point to Nazi contents and Kabbalah and Disney movies (american stuff, like wizard of oz), not much is written about the presence of Brittish occultism and themes in programming. Springmeier's "illuminati" maps, do make strong references to brittish cabals and societies and "themes". So, without lending credence to his materials, certainly SOMEONE entertains those ideas, even if they are not true. <br>My own experience with programming of entire "worldviews" contains Brittish themes and not american ones. (this along religious themes and kaballa).<br>This leads me to ask, what are the actual historical connections between German Nazis and Brittish Occultists. <br>If we accept the theory that MC programming is mostly the creation of nazi imported scientists and doctors to the USA, then where do Brittish themes enter ? Did Nazi occultism rely on say Alistair Crowly or such like, did Nazis from germany have supporters in England at the time of WW 2. Or is it possible that various MK Ultra programs were done in cooperation with UK, much like we discovered about Iraq, guantanamo etc. ...-<br><br>since I don't take the programs as being 'true', but as depicting the programmers' sick belief systems/techniques, I am sure there has to be a mundane explanation to the presence of Brittish historical materials, especially hermetic stuff, in my "library". <br>I wonder if there is something written on that somewhere, except the springmeier materials. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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