Zombies and Ewan Cameron

[biaothanatoi]

I'm reading "The Serpent and the Rainbow" by enthnobotanist Wade Davis, which details his trip to Haiti to investigate reports of a zombie "poison". <br><br>There have been a number of well-documented cases in Haiti of people dying and being buried, only to return decades later. Some returned brain damaged but some were fully functional - and they reported being conscious but immobilised during their funeral and burial, and that they had been dug up and sold into slavery after a few days underground. <br><br>Some American anthropologists hypothesised that these people had been drugged with a naturally derived poison, so inthe late 70s Davis set out to investigate voudon and discover what constituted the poison.<br><br>I'm only part of the way through the book, but I came across something particularly creepy. While in Haiti, Davis meets Lamarque Douyon, an Haitian psychiatrist who was working with zombi victims, having previously trained at McGill University. Below is an exchange between Douyon and Davis, from page 59:<br><br>Douyon: "When I was at McGill, my adviser suggested that I test a number of plants commonly associated with the zombi folklore. We fed a preparation of datura to mice and induced a catatonic state for three hours. Unfortunately these experiements stopped when Professor Cameron left the institute."<br><br>Davis: "Was that Ewan Cameron?"<br><br>Douyon: "Yes, you know of him?"<br><br>This means that, just before Cameron left for Montreal, he was experimenting in zombie psychopharmacology ... *shudder* <p></p><i></i>

[marykmusic]

This Ewan Cameron?<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/coll/cameron/" target="top">osulibrary.orst.edu/specialcollections/coll/cameron/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> --MaryK <p></p><i></i>

[biaothanatoi]

No, that's a different guy. Ewan Cameron worked in Montreal in the late 50s and early 60s in a "psychiatric institute" that was revealed to be a CIA front. He experimented with LSD and electroshock "deep sleep" on nonconsenting clients, at times reducing adults to amnestic, infantile, pre-lingual states.<br><br>It was a form of "therapy" that was then exported to Australia in the 1970s, killing 26 patients. Investigations into their deaths were perfunctory and the clinic was only shut down after an expose by newspapers. A number of ex-patients (all having acquired PTSD and anxiety disorders following 'treatment') then confronted Dr Bailey, the head of the clinic, only to mysteriously commit suicide within 24 hours of meeting the doctor. <br><br>I understand that Bailey studied psychiatry in Canada whilst Cameron was practicing "deep sleep", and rumours linked Bailey's practice (and the apathy of investigating authorities) to CIA money. The Chelmsford Royal Commission was set up in the 1990s to investigate "deep sleep", but former victims have not been adequately compensated.<br><br>It's hard to peer through the mythology that has built up around MKULTRAm, CIA mind-control and occultism - but it's equally bizarre that Ewan Cameron was actually encouraging a student of his to investigate zombi-making in the early 1950s - just before heading up to Montreal to sedate and electrocute people for months at a time. <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

Cameron was a *very* sick fuck. His experiments were horrifically cruel -- blasting people with high doses of LSD, putting them in barbituate comas, and blasting them with more LSD when they woke up -- and repeating this cycle over months... and all the while pumping tape loops of the patients talking about their psychological problems into their ears.<br><br>He's the godfather of the type of psychological torture we see now in Gitmo, Abu Ghraib, and elsewhere.<br><br>Good find, bio. I read Wade Davis's book a long time ago and never caught that reference.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=professorpan>professorpan</A> at: 2/9/06 11:15 pm<br></i>

[robertdreed]

I seem to recall that one of Cameron's "patients" was the wife of a Canadian member of Parliament. Eventually, she came sort of unglued, and there was a lawsuit as a result, around the late 1960s-early 1970s.<br><br>It's a hypothesis of mine that the decision of CIA director James Schlesinger to reveal the existence of MK-ULTRA was a direct result of the revelations of that suit in the Canadian courts. Schlesinger wasn't CIA head very long. He may have had those programs brought to his attention due to the plaintiff and the plaintiff's attorneys, and decided to do the right thing. Or the CIA psycho-spooks might have found themselves in a position where they had to do a limited hang-out, and they apprised Schlesinger of the existence of the program.<br><br> I have no particular evidence of this beyond the fact that the Canadian lawsuit against Cameron apparently preceded the revelations. But regardless of who the DCI was during a given term, programs tend to have a sort of autonomous life in the shadows, and they aren't typically exposed unless they've become compromised, and it becomes absolutely necessary. <br><br>I don't think the MK-ULTRA revelations were anything like a way of baiting the public. As damage control, the revelations strike me as pretty extensive. They really had to give up a lot. And it's acknowledged that people like Sid Gottlieb of the TSS shredded a lot of the most incriminating details. <br><br>Gottlieb ended up doing something of a career switch, he later became an AIDS researcher... <p></p><i></i>

[havanagila]

I am not sure the discovery of MKUltra followed Cameron OR more so the investigation of the death of that scientist who jumped off the roof, after unwittingly being administered LSD. can't recall his name, but the "official" explanation of the MKultra scandal, is his family's pressure, accompanied by inside help, because this was an "elite" family, and part of the CIA. This makes more sense than It being a result of Canada's investigation of Cameron. <br>Has this been helpful ? I am starting to think it wasn't. except for helping some of us feel less "crazy" (now that its validated) nothing happened. It continues, and even the recognized victims were getting the run around, in canada as well. (one claim was settled only last year...Kastner, with not so high damages.). <br>To me, it looks like the discovery was incidental to a vendetta by the family of the CIA person, who was in fact part of the perps team. they do that, usually, namely, "get back" at the people who they feel wronged them. But the interest is not to correct or transform, just revenge, so it would be a limited hangout by definition. Just "teasing" the public...not very helpful.<br>---<br>Meanwhile, in Isael. Amy Ayalon, former chief of Navy and former chief of GSS (Shabak) is doing his share of election propaganda (he is senior labor candidate). BAcktalks by anonymous insiders implicate him in <br>1/ being a trainer of dolphins with the special marine force<br>2. being responsible for the biggest military scandal in ISrael, when dozens of special naval commandos died of cancer as a result of possibly intentional poisoning of the Kishon river (their training site). Backtalks implicate him in running some black op over there with the americans (possibly medical experiments ? bio warfare ?).<br><br>Ami Ayalon is indeed a strange bald robot person, ipersonating as a human being and a liberal to boot. he has an army of yuppies, mainly psychologists and doctors, who work on his image as a enlightened general/dictator. I think he is going tobe the next Shimon Peres...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>