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Postby 4911 » Fri Jul 21, 2006 7:17 pm

Control.Factor.(2003)<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0330171/">www.imdb.com/title/tt0330171/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>anyone seen this?<br><br><br><br>"Genre: Action / Sci-Fi / Thriller / Mystery (more)<br> Tagline: When your thoughts are not your own. (more)<br> Plot Outline: An average everyman discovers he's the unwitting target of an ultra secret domestic black-op centering on mind control.<br>User Comments: Good variation on a popular theme (more)<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/22/06 5:43 am<br></i>
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MK Movie

Postby 4911 » Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:42 am

I rented it yesterday.<br><br>This is a must see for you. Very much of what is mentioned about mind control on this forum is contained in this movie.<br><br>Implants, population control, remote brainwave adjustment, targeting individuals, etc etc.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/22/06 5:46 am<br></i>
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Re: MK Movie

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Jul 22, 2006 1:24 pm

Any topic put in a movie that is not a documentary gets muddied, not 'exposed' or 'explained.'<br><br>Americans are inundated with mixed messages, limited hangouts, and outright bullshit.<br><br>No wonder few can tell fact from fiction anymore. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: MK Movie

Postby LilyPatToo » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:34 pm

Thank you for the mention of it, 4911--I try to see all the movies with mind control themes that I hear about. I think my favorite (as far as entertainment value goes) is a 1997 movie with Mel Gibson, Julia Roberts and Patrick Stewart -- <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118883/">"Conspiracy Theory"</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>To me, MC movies are, at the very least, making a lot of people who've lived their lives in blissful ignorance of it aware of its existence. Certainly, I don't believe that we can expect to see anything that the Controllers don't want us to see, but at least the history of government-sponsored MC (MKULTRA era, ususally) is shown in most of them. And, let's face it, most people will never learn about that in school. There seems to me to be no hope at all of ever defeating it unless the voters realize that it exists.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: MK Movie

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:45 pm

I have a question. I <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>do</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> believe these programs exist, although I'm not sure as to the degree of success of practice. My question is this:<br><br>If these programs are as effective as they're discussed here, what stops them from using MK individuals as mini-Gladios as domestic policy instruments?<br><br>I mean, instead of 9/11's alledged foriegn perpetrators, why not use regular 'Americans' with a small army of MK's to make the argument that Martial Law is needed in this country? It would seem to me that they'd be perfect agents for inplementing problem/reaction/solution endeavors, but I don't see that happening here.<br><br>Why? <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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Re: MK Movie- 1997 'Conspiracy Theory'

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sat Jul 22, 2006 3:58 pm

Thanks for finding this, LilyPatToo.<br><br>As someone who's regularly told that I'm a paranoid swimming in "confirmation bias" when I point at suppressed history in keyword hijacking, I'd like to point out the main character's names in this movie with the blurb-<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Plot Outline: Jerry Fletcher is a man who sees conspiracies everywhere. But if you keep doing that long enough, sooner or later you're going to get one right...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The very expression "conspiracy theory" is a linquistic weapon used to suggest that organized criminal activity is only in the mind of the insane.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><br>Cast overview, first billed only:<br>        Mel Gibson        ....         Jerry <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Fletcher</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>        Julia Roberts        ....         Alice <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sutton</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>1997 is a year when the internet's revelations of US government dark histories are becoming a problem for USA, Inc.<br><br>Two names of significant whistleblowers on elite culture and its spook cabals are-<br>1) L. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Fletcher</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Prouty<br>2) Antony <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Sutton</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <br><br>Search up their work and you'll see why their names are woven into this movie. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: MK Movie- 1997 'Conspiracy Theory'

Postby NewKid » Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:48 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I mean, instead of 9/11's alledged foriegn perpetrators, why not use regular 'Americans' with a small army of MK's to make the argument that Martial Law is needed in this country? It would seem to me that they'd be perfect agents for inplementing problem/reaction/solution endeavors, but I don't see that happening here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You're getting ahead of the plot here. <br><br>Seriously, I think that could ultimately be a possibility, and there may very well be folks within certain rightwing and leftwing dissident who fit that description. As to why you would use foreigners for 9-11, I think it's mainly because there was a widespread consensus that we needed an external enemy to start the clash of civilizations. Although there's probably huge internal disagreement on which Muslim countries should be targetted, I think you had a broad coalition ready to make them the new boogeyman every since the cold war ended. I think the Brezinski, Kissinger, Schultz, Poppy, Neocon, etc. factions all pretty much agreed that you needed a new enemy image. And if you don't have one, go out and create one. Sam Huntingdon and Bernard Lewis talk about this stuff. So do Strauss and Carl Schmidtt and the NeoCon intellectual godfathers. <br><br>Running parallel with that in the 90s I think were people like McVeigh and those within the rightwing patriot movements (not necessarily MK zombies or anything though). Certain elite factions seemed to be quite worried about the rise of militias and patriot movements in the US during the 90s, and I think those people were viewed (whether rightly or wrongly) as a much greater domestic threat than any left-based activists. What I see in OK city is some sort of fight over who the real patsies for that were supposed to be. McVeigh and Nichols got the prize, but the Neocons keep claiming that Iraqis in Oklahoma or Yamsi Youssef types were responsible. (And I think there is evidence that those groups may have mixed at one point.) The problem is that narrative makes no sense in the public mind. So I don't know, but I think the fact there were those other bombs in the building and the fact that the initial story said it was muslims may mean that there was some game playing going on with who the patsies were going to be. <br><br>The other thing is I think there is no consensus at this point about bringing martial law to the US. I think a great number of people within what you would call the ruling faction or whatever very much value the illusion of legitimacy that the US democracy has (or had pre-Bush) and don't want to see the windowdressing torn down. (DLC democratic party types, wall street democrats, George Soros, democratic foreign policy crowd, etc.) At least not yet. Other factions probably see the windowdressing as not worth the price (Bush factions). Once they've seen how little the public reacted (with any real action) to 9-11, Iraq, the expansion of govt power, etc. I think there's a feeling among some of these people that they don't need to keep up the pretense of being a great democracy. Hell, the afterdinner speeches and commencement addresses were boring anyway. Frank Zappa hit it on the head. <br><br>(See here for Harvard neocon who's quite outspoken about the direction he thinks the country should go in.) <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/563mevpm.asp" target="top">www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/563mevpm.asp</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><br>edit: I thought this was pretty cute. This is from an interview with Shadia Drury, a Strauss critic at the University of Regina in Saskatchewan:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Danny Postel: Finally, I’d like to ask about your interesting reception among the Straussians. Many of them dismiss your interpretation of Strauss and denounce your work in the most adamant terms (“bizarre splenetic”). Yet one scholar, Laurence Lampert, has reprehended his fellow Straussians for this, writing in his Leo Strauss and Nietzsche that your book The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss “contains many fine skeptical readings of Strauss’s texts and acute insights into Strauss’s real intentions.” Harry Jaffa has even made the provocative suggestion that you might be a “closet Straussian” yourself! <br><br>Shadia Drury: I have been publicly denounced and privately adored. Following the publication of my book The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss in 1988, letters and gifts poured in from Straussian graduate students and professors all over North America – books, dissertations, tapes of Strauss’s Hillel House lectures in Chicago, transcripts of every course he ever taught at the university, and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>even a personally crafted Owl of Minerva with a letter declaring me a goddess of wisdom!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> They were amazed that an outsider could have penetrated the secret teaching. They sent me unpublished material marked with clear instructions not to distribute to “suspicious persons”. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-77-1542.jsp" target="top">www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-3-77-1542.jsp</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=newkid@rigorousintuition>NewKid</A> at: 7/22/06 6:53 pm<br></i>
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Re: MK Movie- 1997 'Conspiracy Theory'

Postby orz » Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:20 pm

What I find interesting is that in movies generally, the Conspiricy Theorist is always right! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> How does that gel with your ideas HMW? In any number of thrillers/sci-fi, the main character is some angry guy who everyone thinks is crazy but turns out he was right + only he can save the world <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br>Also, certainly it's possible that the names in the movie are references to the names of the real people you mention... but so what? A hollywood writer researching conspiricy theories in order to write about them would likely make such references... what I keep coming back to is... so what? I can certainly agree that 'Conspiricy Theory' could well be propaganda (haven't seen it but i don't imagine it's a thoughtful and intellgent treatment of the subjecT!)... but so what if the characters names are similar? again, how does this actually detract from the real info you're linking this to?<br><br>I don't think you're movie-literate enough to have considered this, so here's something to chew on: just think how often movie protagonists (or other characters of a heroic sort) have the initials "J.C" <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Any topic put in a movie that is not a documentary gets muddied, not 'exposed' or 'explained.'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This is where we differ... just nonsense...<br><br>Try these:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Any topic put in a novel that is not a documentary gets muddied, not 'exposed' or 'explained.'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Any topic put in a painting that is not a documentary gets muddied, not 'exposed' or 'explained.'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Any topic put in a poem that is not a documentary gets muddied, not 'exposed' or 'explained.'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Any topic put in a song that is not a documentary gets muddied, not 'exposed' or 'explained.'<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Great art is more true, valuable, and educational than most supposed 'factual' material.... <br><br>Do you propose that all fiction is evil and should be banned? Or are we just not allowed to address politics, religion, history or anything to do with human nature in our art? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>And if you really imagine any documentary is remotely close to being 'true' you have even less of a clue about the mechanics of cinema that I thought... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I guess this explains tho why you're so super-cynical about fictional media but lap up any half-baked tabloid news report that contains the type of material you like... <br><br>For example the whole zombie thing, where you seemed to overlook the overt, <i>actual propaganda</i> (ie the fairly irrelevant 'rave' and 'zombie' elements of the story being really overdone to turn it into a 'dangers of rave' scare story) while arbitarily connecting to basically whatever you personally had happened to see that week which was zombie-related... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: MK Movie

Postby anotherdrew » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:08 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If these programs are as effective as they're discussed here, what stops them from using MK individuals as mini-Gladios as domestic policy instruments?<br>I mean, instead of 9/11's alledged foriegn perpetrators, why not use regular 'Americans' with a small army of MK's to make the argument that Martial Law is needed in this country? It would seem to me that they'd be perfect agents for inplementing problem/reaction/solution endeavors, but I don't see that happening here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'd say that would put these people to far forward, it'd be too easy to research their past, who they are (were), where they come from. Plus their needs to be a whole storyline behind 'the enemy' - they'd have to gin up a full scale underground network, then there would be the problem of all the people trying to join and/or start their own branch copycats out of control, it'd be a mess. To some extent the McVeigh case may have been a test for going down that road, he was complaining about the military having done 'something' implants (?) I think. <br><br>A purely domestic enemy doesn't open up their options as much either. Invading the middle-east is an important goal to these loonies. We MAY see extensive domestic use of MC assets in the not too distant future. They would be used to make up the exoteric core of the 'bad guy group.' If the republicans hold on to power past these next elections, then it will be time to roll-up the "fifth columnists" as I've already seen them hinting at. If that's going to happen, they're likely ramping up production so to speak, bringing in new bodies. They would most likely be a different type than the sort we're more familiar with that had been developed and worked with since a very young age. This 'soldier' type would be more suddenly taken and would be considered far more expendable.<br>Can anyone think of where they might find a large population of young not-too educated men who, if they went missing, may well have no one to come looking for them? Maybe no one to even file a missing persons report? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: MK Movie

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Sat Jul 22, 2006 10:16 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Can anyone think of where they might find a large population of young not-too educated men who, if they went missing, may well have no one to come looking for them? Maybe no one to even file a missing persons report?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Florida, for one..I can't find it right now, but see my 'Florida eats it's young' thread. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>
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Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:34 pm

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm33.showMessage?topicID=86.topic">Florida Eats Its Young</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Good questions

Postby LilyPatToo » Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:46 am

Wow--lots to respond to, but I've been away all day in very hot areas of California and I'm braindead from the heat<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :x --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/sick.gif ALT=":x"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> First thoughts upon reading down the thread -- <br><br>et in Arcadia, thank you for mentioning the Gladios--a swift trip to Wikipedia significantly expanded my knowledge base about them and I found it fascinating stuff. As for your question, it was a very good one:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If these programs are as effective as they're discussed here, what stops them from using MK individuals as mini-Gladios as domestic policy instruments?<br><br>I mean, instead of 9/11's alledged foriegn perpetrators, why not use regular 'Americans' with a small army of MK's to make the argument that Martial Law is needed in this country? It would seem to me that they'd be perfect agents for inplementing problem/reaction/solution endeavors, but I don't see that happening here.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>NewKid and anotherdrew actually replied with basically the same points that I would have brought up myself. Plus, I do believe that we survivors HAVE been used in numerous murders/assassinations over the past 50 years, just not in large-scale terrorist actions. The few Delta-type alters I've found inside my own alter system so far seem to have been designed and trained to work alone or with small teams, but my knowledge about them is very limited.<br><br>Every MC program survivor with whom I've been in communication worries about being a "sleeper" agent who will be triggered into action by a broadcast code at some point in the future. We've already seen how instantaneously we can be made to switch personalities by a handler with our current codes. The last few times it was done to me, I'd learned about mind control and was as vigilant as I could be, but the switch was still *complete*--nothing but blank missing time for me.<br><br>It costs money to monitor a slave and keep their memory barriers intact, so that implies that SOME use is still planned for those of us who continue to be followed and accessed...the question is what? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>About "Conspiracy Theory" -- it's surprisingly well-done, IMO. It's been a while since I saw it, but at that time I felt that it accurately portrayed the character of an MKULTRA doctor (Stewart, as a genial sociopath). And Gibson's performance was very, very good as a decent, friendly, but deeply paranoid taxi cab driver who's survived one of the programs with just enough mental functioning to cope with a pretty circumscribed and limited life. He edits a small conspiracy zine, but doesn't understand what's happened to him. I can unhesitatingly recommend it to anyone interested in US govt. MC programs. I'd need to see it again to be able to pick out the fine details that I now know more about than I did back when I first saw it, though. Maybe it's time to rent it again...hell, I should just *buy* a copy at this point!<br><br>Any other movies anyone wants to recommend? I have a list somewhere that I should dig out tomorrow....<br><br>LilyPat<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=lilypattoo>LilyPatToo</A> at: 7/22/06 11:54 pm<br></i>
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Re: Good questions

Postby 4911 » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:16 am

"Any topic put in a movie that is not a documentary gets muddied, not 'exposed' or 'explained.'<br><br>Americans are inundated with mixed messages, limited hangouts, and outright bullshit.<br><br>No wonder few can tell fact from fiction anymore."<br><br><br>HMWins, thats pretty clear...and I think anyone interested in a movie like Control Factor thinks the same way - so they made it and put some truths into it - soon as people see it in a movie, they automatically question its validity. <br><br>I mean its reverse psychology intended to make the audience think "Oh if they made a movie about it, it cant be true"..I caught myself thinking this often after watching it.<br><br><br>"I mean, instead of 9/11's alledged foriegn perpetrators, why not use regular 'Americans' with a small army of MK's to make the argument that Martial Law is needed in this country? It would seem to me that they'd be perfect agents for inplementing problem/reaction/solution endeavors, but I don't see that happening here."<br><br><br>The way its unfolding, they can hit multiple birds with one stone. <br><br>1. Through the half-assed way 9/11 was officially explained and the resulting illegal iraq war, they can create dissidents at home, which they can use as a pretext for martial law anywhere down the road anyhow. Any citizens who think so much for themselves as to disbelieve the official story are undesirables anyways, from a neocon pov. Right now the neocons are simply watching who among the citizenry exposes himself as their enemy. They got the domestic surveillance programs to do just that. Soon itll be time to fill those detention centers Brown Kellog & Root built for the "immigration problem" - doubtless it will be more than immigrants who get put in there. <br><br>2. The 9/11-born iraq invasion creates REAL terrorists abroad to keep the warmachine running, a new enemy was needed anyways.<br> <br>3. The iraq war enables them to steal more resources in the ME to keep the whole apparatus oiled while simultaneously profiting from reconstruction and other faked endeavors. Halliburton is making wads off it - and you know whos in Halliburton.<br><br>The way they did it is more profitable for the neocons who engineered it. Anyways it probly WAS a small bunch of MK controlled citizens/mercs/ex-spooks who pulled it off. Neocons blamed OBL anyways to get the ball rolling.<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcUQg3DadaA&mode=related&search=">www.youtube.com/watch?v=f...ed&search=</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/23/06 4:39 am<br></i>
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Re: Good questions

Postby anotherdrew » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:55 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Oh if they made a movie about it, it cant be true"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I think that about 40% of the population actually think (or feel) that "Oh if they made a movie about it, it MUST be true"<br><br>As for my "can anyone think where" question, one source to consider is the very vulnerable international undocumented migrant laborer, of which the US now has a populaton numbering in the millions.<br><br>Will try to see this movie tomorrow.<br><br>but another one out now... someone start a thread for scanner darkly if it hasn't been done already. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 7/23/06 4:12 am<br></i>
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Re: Good questions

Postby 4911 » Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:57 am

"I think that about 40% of the population actually think (or feel) that "Oh if they made a movie about it, it MUST be true"<br><br>Im with ya, but I think the sort of person who is attracted to this particular kind of movie will think the other way, just because being attracted to the content of the movie prerequites the kind of doubt. In my eyes, thís film is targeting the other group of people, the ones who think for themselves. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/23/06 4:00 am<br></i>
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