Is "Trance-formation of America" credible?

by **LilyPatToo** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 2:26 pm

Thanks for those links, cortez. Rereading what I've written in this thread about my own doubts about Mark Phillips, I think I need to reiterate that the most important thing is that Cathy's story gets out and is heard. Even if it's not entirely correct, it's mostly correct and in so many of the details, it agrees with my own memories. It's easy for MC survivors to get caught up in who's CIA and who's "playing" us, since we've been "played" our whole lives and we're deeply paranoid. For us, it IS a matter of life and death when we decide to trust a man who says he's going to rescue us. We have to be minutely aware of all the ways that that man might be the death of us. But the public just needs to learn that this barbarism is ongoing. That needs to be the focus and survivors are hampered by our fears when it comes to getting the word out. That said, it was very interesting to me that one of the students at Berkeley mentioned that reading Cathy's terrible story was *desensitizing to them*. That's a subtle form of disinformation (if it IS disinfo) since it works in a hidden way to inhibit that person from being outraged enough to take action against the Controllers. Interesting. LilyPat

by **rothbardian** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:19 pm

Cortez-- Thanks for the links. sw-- Thanks for the comment. LilyPatToo-- Thanks also. There is one other thing I don't understand-- If she has been completely controlled, why let her reveal these stories about Cheney (which, to my thinking was strongly corroborated, or so it would seem) and the drug-dealing ways of Bush, Clinton and others? The corroboration of some of these parts of her story would seem to cause most readers to believe most or all of the rest of her book...but these stories are very unflattering to a lot of powerful people.

by **LilyPatToo** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:08 pm

I wonder about that all the time, rothbardian. The answers I come up with vary with my general state of mind, but most of the time I guess I believe that the thought processes of spooks bent upon MC are beyond my ken. And that's a Good Thing in many ways--I can still call myself Human, for one thing. The stuff that has come out on the US programs often seemed totally bent to me, but it made sense to them and they were able to influence enough congresspeople that the schemes got funded. If you've ever read much about the intel guys from that era, you know how devious and multi-layered their thinking was. They were paranoid and, frankly, *nuts* themselves, IMHO. And then there's the fact that overly-complicated plans often (if not always) get fouled up--elements fall through the slats, so to speak. It may be that Cathy's revelations were planned for and then got out of hand. Phillips may have been in on it, but changed loyalties partway through. Or the person with oversight left the project. You wouldn't believe how badly-run these projects sometimes are--I know people who were in ones that apparently ended and they were simply cut loose to fend for themselves. These projects are run by bureaucrats, for the most part...think of the astounding fuck-ups that have been made in other more ordinary government programs--now imagine ones with very little oversight at all! Over 50 years of Murphy's Law alone can make for some serious gaps and overlooked potential problems in any human endeavor. As Phillips says in one of those videos--why Cathy's still alive and talking is a mystery to him. Why ANY of us are still alive is a mystery, unless there are so many of us that killing us all off would attract too much attention. I think about it daily, believe me. LilyPat

by **Joe Hillshoist** » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:47 pm

Lils having been aware of mind control for years as a concept and seen some interesting things on this site while I have been here i have to say I think your analysis of whats going on is the most accurate intelligent and grounded I have come across. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Over 50 years of Murphy's Law alone can make for some serious gaps and overlooked potential problems in any human endeavor.<hr></blockquote> Good one. Its always nice to hear an attitude that doesn't think those in power actually have it together. Seems to reflect reality.

by **LilyPatToo** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:47 am

Thank you for the compliment, Joe. I value it, because sometimes it's hard not to get swept up in the rampant paranoia that surrounds MC. The time I spent hanging out on MC boards kind of tempered me. There are so many, many damaged--even outright broken--people there that finally I had to just leave if I wanted to hang onto any semblance of sanity or contact with reality myself. Many of them attribute god-like powers to the Controllers, but to me they're just a bunch of sick bastards who have found a niche. MC is a narcissist's/sociopath's paradise. They may be really smart and really devious, but they aren't perfect and they don't run perfect programs. If they did, I'd not be here with enough wits to talk about them. I've survived marriage to one and I'm here to tell ya--they do make mistakes. Lot's of 'em. They're just ruthless at covering up afterwards. Cathy O'Brien is telling enough truth that I support her, but I do not trust blindly in anyone whose mind has been that messed-with...including me. Do you know that every evening, when I'm ready to shut down the computer, I check all the posts that I've made to boards, first? When you have other personalities living inside your head, you really need to be sure that what you've posted is *yours*. Program-loyal alters can do a lot of damage to a person's reputation if they get loose online.... LilyPat

by **bvonahsen** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:21 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>There is one other thing I don't understand-- If she has been completely controlled, why let her reveal these stories about Cheney (which, to my thinking was strongly corroborated, or so it would seem) and the drug-dealing ways of Bush, Clinton and others?<hr></blockquote> Because like all sick fucks they really want to get caught. Deep down, they want it out in the open.

by **Et in Arcadia ego** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:26 am

A big nasty zit hurts real bad until you bust it open.. ____________________ Some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night.

by **rothbardian** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:02 am

LilyPatToo (and anyone else who is interested)-- I noticed a little exchange on another thread about Springmeier that relates to this thread. I thought I'd put my thoughts over here (a little less confrontational)...but the evidence that Springmeier robbed a bank is not only FAR from conclusive but... ...Cisco Wheeler does a pretty effective job of showing how the media deliberately distorted the facts regarding this case. If you get through reading the details about these distortions in the media, the obvious question is: What are they covering up...other than the fact that he didn't rob a bank...or grow marijuana etc.? [I put an excerpt of Wheeler's writing at the end of my post here, along with the link.] I don't buy everything Springmeier says but, as you said, MUCH of his stuff has been verified and corroborated. So...whether he left a wife, and/or remarried another woman (Wheeler), I find it rather dubious to observe (as I have) any number of 'enlightened' left-leaners eagerly signing on to this 'Biblical morality'-based, lurid denunciation of Spingmeier's personal problems, on the part of a 'Bible-thumper' (such as you read about at the link provided by DE). Since when would secular lefties care whether a person was married six times, much less twice? There's a bit of political motive peeking out, I believe. He may in fact, even be MPD/DID himself, for all I know...but we know there are people just like that who, in the middle of their chaotic DID-overshadowed lives, are trying heroically to strike a blow. I just don't want to see a premature dismissal of the guy. I'm very haunted by the fact that he appears to have been 'put away', thrown in prison by the higher powers, for speaking out. Anyway, here is an excerpt from Wheeler's article detailing the pretty strong indications of fudging from the media: TONY HUNTINGTON--The Missing Link Conspicuously absent from the report is any mention of Tony Huntington, on whose mother's property all of the "evidence" used in KATU's report was found. Huntington and Bateman (Bateman rented a room in an out-building on the property) had been friends since childhood and lived on Huntington's mother's property. For five months after the Feds raided his place, Huntington lived with the knowledge that the illegal arsenal and 50 plant pot grow (complete with power diversion) would net him an approximately 120 year sentence. <img src="http://www.parapolitics.info/KATUrebutt/huntington.jpg" style="border:0;"/> Thus, five months after authorities raided his house, Huntington decided to finger Fritz for the Damascus Key Bank robbery in 1997 in exchange for leniency. Although KATU's report on Fritz mentions Bateman as one of the Key Bank robbers, missing is the fact that as prosecution's principal witness against Fritz--Huntington perjured himself on the stand by admitting to having taken an active role in the robbery on the day of the robbery. Huntington received a paltry 3 ½ years for his testimony against Fritz. Another of Huntington's lies which was not revealed in the courtroom, but was contained within the discovery paperwork for the case, is that Fritz used the robbery funds to finance a trip to Japan to promote his "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" book. When Reverend Izumi Koishi heard of this allegation he made two unsuccessful attempts to fly to Portland from Japan at his own expense, in order to appear in court to refute Huntington's assertion with cold, hard evidence. Sadly, the trial date kept moving around, so that Reverend Koishi lost money on two sets of non-refundable flight tickets. Fritz' former attorneys kept waffling on the decision of whether to let Koishi testify. However, before the third attempt was made by Koishi to appear, Fritz' attorneys decided not to let Koishi testify. After the guilty verdict was handed down, Reverend Koishi then flew in to offer support. He also brought the evidence that he would have shown in court--a receipt for a Citibank draft in the amount of $2,000 USD made out to Fritz so that he could give a talk about "Bloodlines of the Illuminati", which consequently got published in Japanese. Fritz' Japanese supporter's paid full perdiem on Fritz' visit. Not only did Fritz not have to spend one penny of his own from the moment he boarded the plane to go over there, he received a $2,000 fee for speaking. OTHER ALLEGATIONS AGAINST SPRINGMEIER: "Springmeier, a white separatist known for his anti-government writings..." FACT: Fritz has never been a white separatist and, in fact, has a "rainbow coalition" of friends and supporters. His writings can be characterised as exposing the illuminati and anti-corrupt government. "ultra right wing extremist Fritz Springmeier." FACT: Fritz is neither left wing or right wing. "Ultra right wing extremist", "white separatist", these are smear labels used by lazy journalists. From Video-"Fritz Springmeier considered himself a member of a loose-knit group known as the Army of God. Experts on US hate groups say the Army of God is a loose-knit group with no formal membership rolls." FACT: First of all, notice that the above statement contains built in deniability--"loose-knit group" and "no formal membership rolls". These two qualifiers mean that they have absolutely no proof that Fritz belongs to the Army of God. Moreover, Fritz has never considered himself a member of the Army of God and every longterm friend of Fritz' that I have asked about this, not only denied it, but laughed at the thought of it.  In summation, the entire piece was done to smear Fritz and to ruin his chances for a fair retrial. Finally, while KATU is correct in stating that Fritz has been critical of mainstream media, he would never plot to bomb their studio. The mainstream media should look to themselves as the possible source of their own destruction. Fritz and I will continue to seek justice and to vindicate his innocence. We look forward to the appeals. http://www.parapolitics.info/KATUrebutt/rebuttal.htm Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rothbardian>rothbardian</A> at: 8/10/06 2:08 am

by **LilyPatToo** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:13 pm

Wow. Even after all the time I've spent immersed in this tricky subject, I didn't see that one coming at all. And I should have, given all the other people who have been murdered or smeared or have ended up sitting in prison cells because they crossed the Controllers. I wonder about those two so-called journalists--were they "gotten to" or were they just regurgitating the crap fed to them by the people who set him up? There ARE writers who are that lazy.... Thank you for posting that, roth, since I know for a fact that at least some of Springmeier's writings are very accurate. I wish I was able to simply sit down and read all of it, but someone has made that impossible. My eyes literally scoot off the page when I try and I have problems focusing, even though I've always read extremely rapidly and with good comprehension. In fact, I read a couple of hours a day on MC, without those problems occuring at all. That makes me suspect that it's a very specific block that was installed via post-hypnotic suggestion. But perhaps that's actually a Good Thing, since it keeps my memories from being contaminated. Now, when I retrieve something, friends search the Springmeier material for me and almost all of the time, it's there in very specific form. For one example, last Christmas Day, I was standing in the lobby of a movie theater in Berkeley, having just seen "Memoirs of a Geisha", waiting for my husband to fetch the car, since it was pouring rain. I was in a very reflective mood and had enjoyed the movie a lot, but all of a sudden I was aware of the sound of frantic weeping inside me and I saw an image of Lily, my Beta alter, crying hysterically as a rock fell through her, smashing thin panes of glass. As each one shattered, she became more and more frantic. I felt tears actually spurt out of my tear ducts in my eyes with such force that they splashed against the inside of my glasses! This made NO sense to me. I'd never heard another survivor describe it and never run into it in my reading. Lily had been locked away from me by an accessing 15 months before, so I'd not experienced any co-presence with her, let alone any orgies of grief. I asked her to explain what was happening, but all she was able to do was to convey that she now understood what it meant to be a professional mistress/prostitute and that now she understood the cruel things that the politician with whom she was obsessed had said to her once. Then our car pulled up and we spent the next couple of hours at a party, so my brief contact with Lily ended. The next day, I posted at another board about all this on a MC-themed thread that I tend there and asked for help in figuring out what the hell was going on. A friend scoured Springmeier's writings and found it almost at once--an alter like Lily is kept functional by walling off all her pain, rage and grief behind mirrored glass. And as long as the glass isn't shattered, she feels none of it. No matter how badly she's treated, including even extreme physical and emotional abuse, she remains very docile and compliant and receptive to the men who use her. I went on to look in the writings of other survivors for references to shattering glass and quickly found that it's an extremely common theme for the ones who are awakening from their tranced lives and it's always associated with contact with negative emotions. But I didn't know that the day Lily had her meltdown. And how the heck did Springmeier know it if he hadn't learned it from a survivor who'd been a programmer? It's such a specific reference and the result was exactly in line with what he said it was used for that it convinced me beyond a doubt that he was tapping an accurate source of MC programming information. Any idea if he's had any success with the appeals? I couldn't find any links to other pages from that one you linked to--are there more of her writings on whatever site it's from? LilyPat

by **rothbardian** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 3:32 pm

LilyPatToo-- Extremely fascinating (yet wrenching stuff). I certainly hope a few people are checking in with this thread. I'm not saying I know exactly who the good guys and bad guys are. But this 'bank robbery' thing and the list of charges that were brought, and the media smear, all went a long way to convincing me Springmeier is being done in by the PTB. One of the more glaring indications of smear is associating him with this clunky "Army of God" outfit. Springmeier is so utterly non-left/non-right...the idea that he would join this backwoods, teeth-missing, ultra right-wing group, is laughable. Springmeier, for example, is completely aware of the centuries-old PTB scams in creating huge wars and 'false flag' atrocities. In fact, he has been one of the leaders in exposing that kind of thing and many of the details behind these PTB maneuvers. If you go over to the "Army of God" website, their big celebrity, Eric Rudolph (the guy who bombed the Atlanta Olympics and a couple of abortion clinics), displays a completely uninformed and utterly clunky "6th grade history class" grasp of world history...an unadulterated "FoxNews" worldview. A couple of quotes from Rudolph: "And as the planes crashing into the building on 9/11 showed clearly, the Western world will once again be called to the barricades." "The Koran's teachings were never able to change this practice, and the failure of Westerners to understand this is why we are perplexed by the widespread support in the Arab world for such actions as 9/11 or suicide bombers that blow themselves up in crowded discos" "It takes an incident like 9/11 to breach this cocoon of safety surrounding people's existence, confronting them with a reality their ancestors had to deal with on a daily basis." But because Springmeier has associated with 'known' Christians (tsk, tsk) and is alleged to own a Bible (the horror!) there is a rush from lefties, to sign on to a PTB media smear job. It just irks me. I don't care if somebody is Christian, Hebrew, Buddhist or Dolphin...I just want the truth and the facts. Apologies to everyone for my 'venting'. You may now go back to your business. P.S. Lily, if you're reading this, I wonder if you ever run across "Svali". She is a prolific Internet writer who was also MPD/DID. Almost all of her articles start off with the warning "This may be triggering." But her info was spectacular for me. She also goes into great detail about how the DID is implemented. She was, herself, one of the 'technicians'. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rothbardian>rothbardian</A> at: 8/10/06 1:34 pm

by **LilyPatToo** » Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:49 pm

Yes, I did find Svali's writings online early on and she too has proved to have a number of the missing pieces from my own puzzle. Did you know that she recently went missing? <a href="http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/53557.htm">Here</a> is an article on it. Be forewarned that it's by Greg Szymanski, though.... LilyPat

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