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Totally obscurational. Sowing confusion over MK-ULTRA.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:08 pm

An internet video about a video game about confusing fantasy and reality. Right. <br><br>Another 'Wag the Dog' <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>fictional narrative about real events to confuse the target audience of media-saturated youth.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The fakeness of this Derren Brown video contaminates the truth of the subject matter. Probably as intended.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Seems there's always room for another layer of hay around the needle of historical fact. So-called 'Manchurian Candidates' like Sirhan Sirhan (RFK patsy) and David Chapman (Lennon shooter) really have changed the course of American history.<br><br>The 3/26/06 Zombie Rave shootings in the Seattle area were already covered at this discussion board but worth repeating in light of this disinfo piece.<br><br>Anyone else see huge swaths of grey redacting the comments on the Seattle Post Intelligencer's website regarding the 3/26/06 'Zombie Rave shootings?! What the hell is going on here?!<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/soundoff/comment.asp?articleID=264472&source=mypi">seattlepi.nwsource.com/so...ource=mypi</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Back to reality-<br><br>A former US soldier recently DID shoot up a bunch of kids at a rave (dance event) where the dress-up theme was...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>zombies.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Of course, then he killed himself.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002890297_shooting26m.html">seattletimes.nwsource.com...ng26m.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The killer remained an enigma Saturday night. The one message he left behind: the word "NOW" spray-painted on sidewalks and the steps of a home nearby.<br><br>"We have absolutely no idea of what the motive is," Kerlikowske said.<br><br>The killer was in his mid-20s, came to the area five years ago from out of state, and had had "very little" involvement with police, Kerlikowske said. The chief did not elaborate except to say his record was nonviolent. The shooter's identity was being withheld.<br><br>Kerlikowske said the victims ranged in age from their midteens to early 20s.<br><br>A witness said the man was "sloppy," about 6-foot-1 and dressed entirely in black. Witnesses said he had been invited to a party at the home after a large "zombie rave" Friday night at the Capitol Hill Arts Center. The dance had been billed "Better off Undead" and partygoers were given a discount on admission if they dressed up as ghouls and zombies.<br>....<br>"Welcome to the Columbine of Seattle," said one young woman who declined to give her name but said her boyfriend had been shot.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This guy had also previously shot up a statue of a moose. Could've been a test-run and a successful one at that.<br><br>And the New York Times that weekend (Sunday edition in stores the day before when the shootings happened) had a featured article about how <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>ZOMBIES</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in movies represent the generalized angst of the times. And the front counter at Borders that week was featuring a CD by rock band...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Rob Zombie</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br>Does this real violence smell like media steganography triggering a military programming victim for some plausibly deniable random violence to anyone else?<br><br>Raves are today's equivalent of a peaceful non-structured youth event ala Woodstock which threatens the corporate police-state's need to keep kids fearful and on sanctioned consumer paths.<br><br>So sending in some 'random violence' to break up that culture would be a typical COINTELPRO/Operation CHAOS tactic.<br><br>Funny that's exactly what the fake Derren Brown video portrays with 'Blair Witch Project' production values, isn't it?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://huffcrimeblog.com/?p=518">huffcrimeblog.com/?p=518</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mass-Murder Suicide in Seattle<br><br>It’s been all over the news already. I had an e-mail sitting in my box from Tom N. in Seattle this morning about it.<br><br>Seattle Police: Man kills 6, then self. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-03-25-seattle-shooting_x.htm?POE=NEWISVA">www.usatoday.com/news/nat...OE=NEWISVA</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The link takes you to the AP story as published in USA Today. Here’s the opening paragraph and a couple of other bits from the story:<br><br> A gunman opened fire early Saturday in a home, killing six partygoers and critically injuring at least one other before committing suicide when confronted by police outdoors (...)<br><br> Police believe the shooting happened at a party and the dead, men and women, were in their late teens and early 20s. Officers said they were not aware of a possible motive.<br><br> Kerlikowske said an officer in the neighborhood heard shots fired at just after 7 a.m. When Officer Steve Leonard reached the scene, he found one person staggering out of the house with a gunshot wound.<br><br> The officer confronted another man who emerged with a shotgun, telling him several times to put the weapon down, Kerlikowske said. The man turned the gun on himself and fired a fatal shot, he said…<br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A young man interviewed at the scene stated that everyone had attended a ‘zombie rave’ at a venue usually reserved for plays. The title of the event? “Better Off Undead.”</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nwtekno.org/vb/showthread.php?threadid=95460&eventid=23103">www.nwtekno.org/vb/showth...ntid=23103</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Funny that there's also a video game and movie about zombies attacking a rave, too. The psychic pump was well primed for this supposedly random senseless shooting.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pluggedinonline.com/movies/movies/a0001518.cfm">www.pluggedinonline.com/m...001518.cfm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> House of the Dead<br>Gory horror based on a popular video game: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Teens meet on a remote island for a rave, only to find the place overrun by ravenous zombies.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/20/06 1:25 pm<br></i>
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Re: The Heist

Postby LilyPatToo » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:11 pm

If it was faked, then the woman friend's reactions were a serious error--she invalidated it for me from the get-go. I cannot imagine even the most passive female I know going along with what was done. I can't. Even if she was a moronic star-struck ditz, no woman I've ever known would have gone along with such a sickly exploitative trick. Not a one. There would have had to be some arguing, demands for explanations, etc.<br><br>That said, I CAN see how a person with a high dissociative profile could have been made to react as the target did, but what are the chances of their first "bite" being such a person? We're not exactly common, so it stretched my credulity when the first player just happened to be so susceptible.<br><br>I don't think this was real--I think it was a stunt. Just MHO, YMMV.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Heist

Postby 4911 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:13 pm

Thats also a seriously dangerous situation - fuck i dont know...if I woke up in that situation with a paintball gun in my hands and a bunch of weird looking fucks slouching towards me who dont respond to verbal communication...mmm...well...then Id throw the gun at the first figure approaching me and take as many with me hand-to-hand as I could. I would think i wouldnt get out of there either so Id fight like a cornered animal. Thats just nuts, putting people in situations like that. If you got the wrong guy as a test subject he might end up killing a few extras with his bare hands. Highly irresponsible and stupid.<br><br>HMWins, I hadnt heard about the moose statue in the seattle shootings. Did anything else pop up about what the guy spraypainted on the 3 driveways? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/20/06 1:33 pm<br></i>
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Re: The Heist

Postby 4911 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:39 pm

Is it even possible to put a subliminal pictogram or soundbyte or whatever triggers deep hypnosis into a short videoflash? Does that even work? <p></p><i></i>
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the set up

Postby thurnandtaxis » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:46 pm

I would think that all parties involved sign some type of waiver before the shoot. The shots of them walking into the bar and playing the game were probably scripted. Everyone most likely knew the vague outline of the events to occur, with one agreeing to be the subject and the other two the spectators. They all felt "safe" about being in a cotrolled media environment.<br><br>I wonder what Derren's outtake reels would look like? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thurnandtaxis>thurnandtaxis</A> at: 7/20/06 1:47 pm<br></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 20, 2006 3:53 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>HMWins, I hadnt heard about the moose statue in the seattle shootings. Did anything else pop up about what the guy spraypainted on the 3 driveways?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not that I remember. But that screams something loudly, doesn't it?<br>I wish I could find the thread here at RI where this guy's background was exposed. <br><br>Maybe Jeff or another regular will pull it out.<br><br>The statue shooting incident was a previous event and we also learned that he was close friends with the perps of another horrific shooting incident which I don't remember.<br><br>Funny how the worst events of spook manipulation and violence keep showing up as fictional narratives for the kids to enjoy. <p></p><i></i>
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Derren

Postby professorpan » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:08 pm

Okay, everyone, take a deep breath....<br><br>Derren is a showman. An entertainer. His programs are designed to engage people's attention and make them wonder "Is it real?"<br><br>Which means it was successful.<br><br>I've corresponded with Derren, and he's a very funny, talented guy and the freshest thing that's happened to mentalism since Uri Geller. <br><br>Don't take everything you see so literally. Mentalism and magic are about entertainment -- making people think "what if?" Magic and mentalism both have a large bag of tricks and techniques to work with to create powerful illusions. And do you believe you're seeing reality when a magician saws a woman in half? If not, why should you believe Derren is using NLP to make people believe they're in a videogame?<br><br>And no, Hugh, Derren is not part of your vast PTB conspiracy ;-) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby 4911 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:14 pm

"The level of cooperation of friends can be determined by how much they feel flattered by being chosen by a celeb, or money paid. People do awful things for celebs, especially if it will get them on TV."<br><br>Youre right. I think people would even do it for much less than 10 minutes of bullshit fame that nobody will ever remember anyhow. Remember that test where they pulled people off the street and did the electroshocks with strangers in the next room type thingy? What was that called? Or did they use teachers? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby 4911 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:31 pm

Since I sold my TV ages ago, and cuz I dont live in UK, I never heard of Darren Brown. <br><br>PTB conspiracy? Theres a conspiracy involving the Public Transportation Board? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby professorpan » Thu Jul 20, 2006 4:53 pm

4911, sounds like you're thinking of the famous Milgram experiments:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Most important video I've ever seen

Postby anotherdrew » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:02 pm

I posted about this months ago btw<br><br>Brown's stuff is amazing,<br><br>to really freak out, catch "the heist" in which he uses the guise of a normal self-motivation seminar to select and prepare four normal decent people to use a fake gun to rob what they think is an armored car delivery. 3 of the 4 did it. all through totally normal seeming stuff, he had them primed and ready and they acted as 'programmed'.<br><br>one that blew my mind, he had a room full of people, gathered to talk about issues of religion I think, just people showed up for this free seminar at a campus of some sort, like a free university class. After a while, he gets them standing on the stage with their backs to him. Talks a bit more. then is silent for a bit. Then, still silenty he makes a pulling gesture and everyone of them fall backwards toward him at the same moment. Another time he is with a woman in a high window in a building watching people walk by on the street below. somehow he's able to, not just himself but with coatching the woman with him also, is able to pick people and make them look backwards and up at the distand 5th story window from easily 200 feet away.<br><br>from: www.magicweek.co.uk<br><br>Derren Brown on The Heist<br><br>Under the guise of a motivational seminar and a follow-up documentary, can Derren Brown persuade any of his group of responsible, middle-management businessmen and women to steal £100,000 in an armed robbery? Such is the premise for the most ambitious and challenging of Derren’s specials to date. It’s a look at what little it takes to cross into deviant behaviour and a masterclass in persuasion.<br><br>Derren, how did you come up with the idea for this show?<br>“As ever, these things come about by thinking what I'd personally like to see on TV. I'm finally having my TV removed and replaced by a tropical fish tank, which I hope will provide more interesting viewing. I've also always had a vague distaste for the cult of selfishness apotheosised through self-help seminars, which form the starting point for the show.”<br><br>How would you describe what it’s about?<br>“For me this is about the fine line that we tread between normal and deviant behaviour; the nature and process of persuasion; what little it takes to push us into behaviour that is designated anti-social; and to quote Banksy - the fact that more crimes are committed in the name of obedience than disobedience. And generally far worse crimes.”<br><br>Is it possible to get someone to obey ANY order? Are they hypnotised?<br>“You have to realise that hypnosis doesn't exist: it just works on people's natural suggestibility, their expectations and capacity to unconsciously role play. You can't make someone do anything they don't want to do. Clearly if a hypnotist could make someone to steal £100k just by telling them to, the world would be a different place, and I suspect that hypnotists wouldn't bother doing shows in pubs or dodgy Spanish holiday resorts. So the challenge of the show is to insiduously massage these people to the point that they will make the decision themselves to hold up an armoured security van and point a gun at the guard, but without ever telling them to do so. Were I to ever suggest the idea, they'd obviously refuse. It has to come from inside them at the right moment. The viewer will follow every aspect of the persuasion process that takes place over 2 weeks: nothing is added or taken away.”<br><br>Were they aware they would be breaking the law?<br>“Absolutely. When the moment arrives, they will have no idea that they're being filmed, or that we're using a stunt actor as a security guard.”<br><br>Did they think the gun was real?<br>“No, they know it's a toy gun, but they know it's realistic enough to fool a guard with.”<br><br>Will they remember what they did?<br>“Of course. For that reason, the psychological handling of the participants was of paramount importance. Aside from the police we had sealing off and monitoring the area, we also used two independent clinical psychologists in the show to check on their suitability beforehand, and welfare after.” <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 7/20/06 3:27 pm<br></i>
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Re: Derren, Olson, Mulholland, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:07 pm

Prof Pan says-<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mentalism and magic are about entertainment -- making people think "what if?" <br>....<br>And no, Hugh, Derren is not part of your vast PTB conspiracy.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>"Mentalism and magic" are not about entertainment for a long time now. They are about confusion in the name of commerce and control since 1947.<br><br>Living in the Age of Disinformation and Illusion implies an uncomfortably stark polarization of all information as either 'with us or against us.' And using the excuse of 'entertainment' is the equivalent of using the justification of 'humanitarian bombing.'<br>Too many lives are being destroyed by the black art of deception to take it as casually insignificant.<br><br>Resisting Total War calls for waging Total Peace by sanctioning honesty and truth instead of amusing each other with shadow plays. (Sound too 'purist' or 'politically correct'? Consider the question 'what would COINTELPRO do? and then do the opposite.)<br><br>See info on the magician who advised the CIA, John Mulholland.<br>(Remember the movie 'Mulholland Dr.'? You know what I'm referring to, right? Yup. More keyword hijacking to hide dirty laundry. )<br><br>The magician John Mulholland was asked to write a primer for CIA agents on slight of hand and mind techniques and was linked to the 1953 MK-ULTRA secret LSD-dosing death of Frank Olson which the US gov't. had to pay out big money over when sued by his relatives.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Contents.html">www.frankolsonproject.org/Contents.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Seems Rumsfeld and Cheney were part of the cover-up of that wrongful death back in the Ford administration while the Pike and Church Committees where exposing CIA abuses to the world, too, a good reason to have Americans think of some other 'Mulholland.'<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.middleeast.org/premium/read.cgi?category=Magazine&num=978&month=6&year=2004&function=text">www.middleeast.org/premiu...ction=text</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>US VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY AND SECRETARY OF DEFENCE DONALD RUMSFELD LINKED TO<br>"MURDER OF CIA SCIENTIST"<br><br>by Gordon Thomas*<br><br>Secret documents have revealed US Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld are "linked to the murder" of a senior CIA scientist. Frank Olson, who was a key member of the CIA's secret brainwashing<br>programme MK-ULTRA, was sent plunging from a New York hotel window after he had threatened to reveal the CIA involvement in "terminal experiments" in post-war Germany.<br>.... <br>Eric Olson had always maintained "my father was murdered on the highest authority". He has fought a long battle to prove his point. But at every step he was blocked by two of the most powerful men in Washington - Cheney and Rumsfeld.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But the documents which have surfaced in Washington all too clearly pinpoint the role the two men played in covering-up the murder of Frank Olson.<br>In a "Flash Secret" memo from Cheney to Rumsfeld, the future Vice President warns if the truth emerged "it might be necessary to disclose highly classified national security information".</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Another memorandum to the President (Gerald Ford) reveals that Eric Olson and his family "have indicated their shock and outrage at the circumstances surrounding Dr Olson's death". The memo suggests "the President expresses his own outrage" over the death.<br><br>Cheney warns in a further memo that Olson's job "is so sensitive that it is highly unlikely we would submit relevant evidence on the issue of his duties".<br><br>The 23 pages of documents paint a clear picture of the determination of Cheney and Rumsfeld to keep secret Olson's work and to ensure, as a matter of public policy, it must remain secret that "a drug criminally given him (Olson) cannot as a matter of law be determined he died in the course of his official duties".<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>So I don't find 'slights of mind' amusing in the least, Prof Pan.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/20/06 3:13 pm<br></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby LilyPatToo » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:08 pm

I think you're failing to take into consideration the fact that for me or anyone who's survived a mind control program, seeing that footage is likely to be very upsetting. I intellectualized it in order to keep from freaking, but it still was utterly repellant to me to watch it.<br><br>To me, if it was purely entertainment, then it was in appallingly poor taste, but that's *to me*. I realize that I'm hardly representative of the general population. Still, my reaction is completely appropriate for me to have had, based upon a lifetime of having people manipulate me due to my dissociative tendency. I guess that's difficult for anyone who's never been rendered unconscious and used in various ways to grasp. It just seems like harmless fun. I get that. But that doesn't make it any more acceptible to me, personally.<br><br>LilyPat <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 4911 asks

Postby anotherdrew » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:33 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Derren Brown (born 27 February 1971) is an English psychological illusionist and skeptic of paranormal phenomena. He was born in Croydon, Surrey, and while studying Law and German at the University of Bristol he attended a show by the hypnotist Martin S. Taylor that inspired him to turn to illusion and hypnosis as a career. Around 1994 he worked as a conjurer, practising the traditional skills of close-up 'magic'. In 1996, he started performing stage hypnosis shows at the University of Bristol under his then stage name of Darren V. Brown. In September 1997 he attended a Neuro-Linguistic Programme course with Richard Bandler, Paul McKenna and Michael Breen[citation needed].<br><br>there's more there about his various productions for anyone interested <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:33 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The fakeness of this Derren Brown video contaminates the truth of the subject matter. Probably as intended.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Your 'theories' about media propaganda contaminate the truth of the subject matter. NOT intended I'm sure, but they really do.<br><br>oh, and please don't drag Lynch into your "keywork hijacking' malarky... <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Tell me, is there any piece of mainstream media that ISN'T part of your conspiricy?<br><br>For example, can you list any movie titles that were chosen for creative/marketing reasons rather than as an unfathomably obscure subliminal references the purpose of which you never satisfactorally explain? <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So sending in some 'random violence' to break up that culture would be a typical COINTELPRO/Operation CHAOS tactic.<br><br>Funny that's exactly what the fake Derren Brown video portrays with 'Blair Witch Project' production values, isn't it?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>If by "exactly" you mean completely different from, why yes!<br><br>I won't bother to go into the whole zombie thing you rambled about, but suffice to say I consider you to have, as usual, put the cart before a whole field of horses. <p></p><i></i>
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