Most important video I've ever seen

by JD » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:21 am

Lilypat - whoa that is serious shit.......... I was thinking of a beneficial theraputic use. Good flipping advice. How do you find a hypnotherapist who you can trust? (LOL only on the RI Discussion Board would such a question get fielded!) Fuck why do people misuse what could be good things? We've turned sailing ships into man o' wars. Turned airplanes into fighting machines. Turned the power of the sun which gives us all life into the most mighty killing mechanism devised. And now, less visibly, turned knowledge of the human mind to evil ends........ How can we ever get past this?

by **NewKid** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:38 am

JD, I think Lily's got a lot of the answer right here. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=5284.topic" target="top">p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=5284.topic</a>

by **anotherdrew** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 2:45 am

"current newspaper" ? hmm... morning edition or street final? what if they grab a weekly or a bi-weekly 'newspaper' it's gotta be a switch? I must admit, I actually consider it possible that brown is in fact - not always - but on occation, making use of some sort of extra-normal abilities, and using mentalsim and the rest of his bag-o' tricks to cover it. of course that couldn't be right... or could it?

by **Project Willow** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:18 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>How can we ever get past this?<hr></blockquote> People know what we've done with conventional weapons, but they are largely unaware of what can be done with the mind as LilyPat expressed so well. It has to be exposed. You cannot counter a weapon that you do not even realize is used against you. It must become common knowledge, something we know and accept about ourselves as humans. There are many barriers to it becoming common knowledge however, not the least of which is that very few people want to accept they or their children are vulnerable to such effective manipulation. Nice post Lily.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:35 am

I started looking into hypnosis over the last month after I found that only a very few insiders will warn how dangerous it can be and found a British court case exonerating a stage hypnotist of any liability for a man who became schizophrenic after being hypnotised. This is a highly controversial area and seems to have been so weaponized that a cover-up similar to the False Memory Syndrome Foundation is long in place. In fact, the two topics - hypnosis and recovered memory - are linked together and one is covering for the other. Memories can be recovered using hypnosis but they can also be inserted, apparently. The FMSF and people like Elizabeth Loftus are quick to say that any memories recovered under hypnosis are unreliable since suggestions can be implanted. Therefore the subject's memories are no longer 'valid.' Yet courts keep exonerating and protecting hypnotists claiming that no firm causation of after-effects can be ascribed. <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/150850.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/150850.stm</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Friday, 14 August, 1998, 18:25 GMT 19:25 UK Hypnotist cleared (photo) Paul McKenna with his manager, Clare Staples, on the steps of the HIgh Court after hearing the verdict The hypnotist and stage performer Paul McKenna has been cleared by the High Court of turning a man who took part in his live stage performance into an "aggressive schizophrenic". The High Court in London ruled that Christopher Gates, who sued Mr McKenna for £200,000 in damages, had not proved that he was affected by the experience of acting as a volunteer from the audience. After handing down his judgment Mr Justice Toulson said that it was "perfectly understandable" Mr Gates should have believed that his sudden descent into schizophrenia was caused by the hypnotic experience. He added that although his ruling would be a disappointment to Mr Gates and his "devoted" girlfriend Beverley Gibbs, his "misfortune in developing the disease" was of "natural origin". On learning of the ruling Mr McKenna said: "While we feel great sympathy for Mr Gates and his family, today's verdict has proved conclusively that hypnosis was not and could not have been the cause of his schizophrenia." Speaking outside the High Court Mr McKenna said he was "delighted" by the ruling, which he said cleared audience participation shows like Blind Date and The Generation Game. He said he was now planning a new series of his own shows in the UK. Christopher Gates Christopher Gates: Admitted to hospital nine days after taking part in McKenna's stage show Mr McKenna said the judge's decision "will bring about an end to the series of alarmist sensational stories about hypnosis being dangerous." He added that although he sympathised with Mr Gates, who received legal aid to bring the case against the hypnotist, the case had cost the taxpayer hundreds of thousands of pounds "yet it should never have come to court". "The Legal Aid Board were presented with the evidence before trial by my lawyers and should then have made an independent assessement that this case was inherently flawed." "The time has come for the waste of taxpayers' money and injustice to non-legally aideddefendants to end." 'Bitter disappointment' Mr Gates - a former furniture polisher who had told the court he lost his job as a result of the hypnosis - and his girlfriend were said in a statement from his solicitor, Martin Smith, to be "bitterly disappointed" by the judgment. "It was never going to be an easy case but with three eminent professionals, one of them at the cutting edge of research into what happens to the brain during hypnosis, concluding that Chris's illness was triggered by what happened on stage, we thought we had enough to win. Martin Smith Martin Smith, Christopher Gates' solicitor: "We thought we had enough to win" "The judge has found that the illness and the hypnotism were merely an unfortunate coincidence." Mr Smith added the judge "set great store by the fact that there was no evidence before him of similar cases. For legal reasons we were unable to put before the court details of several cases involving Mr McKenna, with which we are dealing, in which other people allege they have suffered damage after taking part in hypnotic shows". He said that if these cases had been put before the judge along with that of Mr Gates, "the outcome might have been different". Mr Smith said the judge had not ruled that stage hypnosis was safe. "We are quite certain that in future all stage hypnotists will give a proper warning of the dangers involved in volunteering to take part in a stage hypnosis show," he said. The judgment follows from a two-week hearing last month in which Mr Gates, from High Wycombe, said that nine days after going to see Mr McKenna's stage show, during which he was invited up from the audience to take part, he suffered an acute schizophrenic episode and had to be admitted to hospital. Mr Gates, 30, had told the court he was still hearing voices four years after seeing Mr McKenna's show, and would be forced to take drugs for the rest of his life as a result of his condition. Mr McKenna had denied negligence and said Mr Gates' illness was not caused by being hypnotised. 'The star of the show' After volunteering to take part in the show the hypnotist told Mr Gates he was a ballet dancer, Mick Jagger, an interpreter for aliens from outer space, a contestant on the show Blind Date, the conductor of a orchestra and a naughty schoolboy. He also told him he was wearing special glasses that allowed him to see people naked. Mr McKenna took the stand during the hearing and told the court he remembered Mr Gates as the star of the show. Mr Gates told the court that following his performance he suffered severe headaches and was unable to sleep that evening. The next day he began giggling and crying at a redundancy meeting at work. He later lost his job. He said he heard "mumbling voices" which he believed belonged to Jesus or Moses. 'Afraid to have a shower' Christopher Gates and Beverley Gibbs Gates and his girlfriend, Beverley Gibbs, arriving at the High Court during the hearing His girlfriend. Beverley Gibbs, wept in court when she testified that Mr Gates became convinced he was going to die and that God was watching him. He became too scared to go to the toilet or have a shower because he believed Paul McKenna was lying in wait for him, she said. Mr Gates also believed someone from the TV show Coronation Street was sending him subliminal messages from the fictional pub the Rovers' Return, telling him to stop drinking. On another occasion he started laughing uncontrollably at a Freddie Starr show, the court was told. Mr McKenna told the court he would never subject stage volunteers to a "traumatic, frightening and humiliating ordeal". "My show is a fun show which people choose to participate in or choose not to if they wish." Mr McKenna denied Mr Gates' allegation that he was brought out of his trance in an unprofessional manner. Asked whether he believed hypnosis could trigger schizophrenia, the hypnotist said: "No, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now." In his closing speech to the court at the end of last month's hearing Mr McKenna's counsel, Roger Henderson QC, had warned that all hypnotism stage shows may have to stop if he found that they brought on mental illness. Paul McKenna and hypnotised volunteers Willing participants: Volunteers under McKenna's hypnotic spell Sillito at the Hiigh Court The BBC's David Sillito was at the High Court for the verdict Paul McKenna interviewed on News 24 Hypnotism is perfectly safe: Paul McKenna interviewed on BBC News 24 Paul McKenna outside High Court 'This proves hypnotism is safe': Paul McKenna outside the High Court See also: 15 Jul 98 | UK Man 'heard voices' after hypnotist's show 20 Jul 98 | UK Hypnotist takes stand 21 Jul 98 | Entertainment Judge to see X-rated video 22 Jul 98 | UK 'Losing willy was pleasant experience' 24 Jul 98 | UK Hypnotist ruling delayed<hr></blockquote> Now here is a book for sale warning this is dangeous - <a href="http://www.dangers-of-hypnosis.co.uk/hypnotism_contact.html">www.dangers-of-hypnosis.c...ntact.html</a> You'll find that this is the only link at that website that opens up BLANK- <a href="http://www.dangers-of-hypnosis.co.uk/dangers_of_stage_hypnosis.html">www.dangers-of-hypnosis.c...nosis.html</a> (DANGERS OF STAGE HYPNOSIS ) Hmmm...all the other pages are there, just selling the book? STAGE HYPNOSIS HOW IT WORKS DANGERS OF STAGE HYPNOSIS (page blank when opened) DEATH AND PSYCHOSIS WHAT WE ARE LED TO BELIEVE HYPNOSIS TRAINING HYPNOSIS ANOTHER PERCEPTION THE BOOK HYPNOSIS SEMINARS CONTACT AND LINK Here's the page for 'Hypnosis, Another Perception'- <a href="http://www.dangers-of-hypnosis.co.uk/hypnosis_another_perception.html">www.dangers-of-hypnosis.c...ption.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>ANOTHER PERCEPTION OF THE TRUTH The truth is that yes, all these activities previously mentioned, watching television, driving a car and fishing, can and do produce trance like states of consciousness within the mind. But this is not true hypnosis. True hypnosis is when another person deliberately attempts to alter your own state of consciousness, taking you from your natural trance like state of mind, into a deeper hypnotic state of consciousness, so that in turn, they can influence your thoughts and feelings - through suggestions of their own choosing! By a hypnotist suggesting to you that driving a car, fishing, or watching television is hypnotic, you can relate to that because we are all aware that these activities do in fact influence our consciousness. This in turn helps the hypnotist build rapport with you as you then place your trust in them and you become more open to his or her suggestions. Now don’t get me wrong, I am not saying all hypnotists or hypnotherapists will be trying to trick you into trance. What I am saying is, that the majority of hypnotists and hypnotherapists believe what they are saying because many of them are not even aware themselves of the true nature of hypnosis. The majority of hypnotists and hypnotherapists will also tell you, "You can’t be hypnotised against your will" and secondly,"You would not fundamentally do anything that would contradict your own moral values or ethics." THE TRUTH IS - MOST PEOPLE CAN BE HYPNOTISED AGAINST THEIR OWN WILL, AND SOME PEOPLE CAN BE MADE TO DO ANYTHING - DEPENDING UPON THEIR DEPTH OF TRANCE, AND THE SKILL OF THE HYPNOTIST! You can be hypnotised against your will, and with a highly skilled operator, they could get you to do anything! AND THAT’S SCAREY. It isn’t that all hypnotists are liars. It is that the majority of them are not even aware of the power they wield themselves. Many hypnotherapists wouldn’t know how to hypnotise someone against their will, even though at times they are actually doing it, or how to get someone to carry out an act that in normal life circumstances they wouldn’t perform. However, many stage hypnotist know how to do these things, but generally they remain secretive about their profession. N.L.P. (Neuro Linguistic Programming) STRESS MANAGEMENT DIANETICS (Scientology) Hypnosis can take on many disguises by using different names. NLP is now at the forefront of self-help and personal growth. However this too is a form of hypnosis and self-hypnosis. Richard Bandler, one of the co-founders of NLP author and presenter, openly admits the best trance induction is to look at someone, breathe at the same rate as them and start to go into trance yourself. The subject will go right into trance with you! Thus another truth openly revealed, only confirming what I am saying… you can be hypnotised against your will. In the West we have been studying consciousness for a couple of hundred years. However, in the East they have been studying consciousness for over five thousand years. Who do we listen to? The hypnotherapist, or the spiritual giants, the guru's of the East? HYPNOSIS DERANGES BRAIN CELLS CAUSING NEUROSIS AND PSYCHOSIS Swami Vivekananda Acknowledged as the foremost of Sri Ramakrishna's many notable disciples, both lay and monastic, Swami Vivekananda was an illumined being of the highest order. As the forerunner who brought the spiritual teachings of India to the West in 1893 at the convening of the Parliament of Religions in Chicago, he has greatly influenced the last hundred years of spiritual growth in Europe and America. Swami Vivekananda mentions hypnosis in his commentaries, “think of the mind like a team of wild horses, and rather than controlling them through muscular strength and taking hold of the reins, you ask another to hit them on the head to stun them into a submissive state for a short period of time. Each time another stuns the horses into submission the person loses an amount of their own mental energy. From continued regular sessions of hypnosis from another person, entering into this docile state, instead of gaining power and better control, the mind can become a shapeless powerless mass eventually leading to the mental asylum.” Hypnosis is a form of trespass upon another's consciousness. Repeated hypnosis, and the negative effects it produces, can eventually derange the brain cells. Hypnotism has been used by physicians in minor operations as a sort of psychical chloroform for persons who might be endangered by an aesthetic. But a hypnotic state is harmful to those often subjected to it; a negative psychological effect ensues that in time deranges the brain cells. Hypnotism is trespass into the territory of another's consciousness. Its temporary phenomena have nothing in common with the miracles performed by men of divine realization. (Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda) In the book I have given my own stories of clients I helped using therapeutic hypnosis. I have helped hundreds of people over the years, and would like to think that I will help thousands in the future, but not through the medium of hypnosis. HYPNOSIS VIA HYPNOTISTS AND NLP MAKE YOU A SLAVE TO YOUR SENSES If another person's will is continually imposed upon you via hypnotic techniques, that energy from their will, forcing control over your mind or bodily functions, only hammers in another nail to your own bondage of being a slave to your senses, and hinders you from becoming a master of yourself. Also, there are other unconscious suggestions that are entering your subconscious that you are not even aware of. THE TRUTH "There was a young man who lived alone, and during the rainy season his roof would leak. His neighbours suggested to him that he should repair the leak. His response was: why repair it while it was so wet, it would be easier to repair in the dry season. But when the dry season arrived, he thought, why repair it now, as it is not raining? Do not let your roof leak; acquaint yourself now for a search of the Truth."<hr></blockquote> Now here is the False Memory Syndrome Foundation's nasty self-serving spin on hypnosis and memory- <a href="http://www.fmsfonline.org/hypnosis.html">www.fmsfonline.org/hypnosis.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hypnosis is inextricably tied to the false memory problem, whether its use is formal or disguised. FMSF Scientific Advisor Campbell Perry, Ph.D. has written this section to provide readers with the key concepts in hypnosis. Dr. Perry is Professor Emeritus of Psychology at Concordia University in Montreal. He has published widely in the area of hypnosis. The website of the International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis and the research database provided by the Society for Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis may interest readers wishing to explore the area of hypnosis further. Key Concepts in Hypnosis Campbell Perry , Ph.D. I gratefully acknowledge the valuable assistance of Emily Carota Orne for her critical comments on earlier versions of this manuscript and Pamela Freyd for her incisive editorial recommendations. The final responsibility for all opinions expressed in this document is my own. Contents What is hypnosis? What are the main historical events of hypnosis? Is the term "hypnosis" a metaphor? Can hypnosis be feigned? To what extent is a person able to experience hypnosis? How can hypnotic susceptibility be measured? Are high hypnotizables suggestible? Is hypnosis a form of placebo? What role does imagination play in hypnosis? How does hypnosis affect memory? * Hypnotic hypermnesia effect * Post hypnotic amnesia What is the relevance of "dissociation" to hypnosis? Does hypnotic age regression produce historically accurate memories? What is meant by the metaphor of a "hidden observer"? What is the connection between Hypnosis and Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) [recently renamed as Dissociated Identity Disorder (DID)]? * History and Frequency of MPD/DID * Iatrogenic MPD/DID * Simulation of MPD/DID Is sexual abuse during childhood a cause of MPD/DID? What is the role of hypnosis in the creation of false memories? What is the difference between formal and "disguised" hypnosis? Can hypnosis be dangerous? * Gail Macdonald's story * FMSF legal survey * Conclusion Can a hypnotized person be coerced into unconsenting acts? How is hypnosis used in entertainment, therapeutic, and forensic contexts? * Stage hypnosis * Therapeutic hypnosis * Forensic hypnosis What are some of the clinical successes and failures with hypnosis? What are some current controversies in hypnosis? How can a person find a qualified clinical practitioner of hypnosis? What are the main professional hypnosis societies? What are the main scientific journals of hypnosis? >snip< How does hypnosis affect memory? Experimental data indicate that hypnosis has three main effects upon memory. (1) Hypnosis increases productivity, but most of the new information is in error; (2) it increases confidence for both correct and incorrect "novel" remembrances; (3) these increases in productivity and confidence are found at all levels of hypnotizability, but these effects are most pronounced in high hypnotizables in hypnosis (as compared to when they are assigned to an imagination or a repeated recall condition), and as compared to low hypnotizables who receive either hypnosis, imagination and repeated recall instructions (Nogrady, McConkey & Perry, 1985; Orne, Soskis, Dinges, Orne & Tonry, 1985). Hypnosis can result in confabulation. This is the tendency to confuse fantasy as fact. Again, as was emphasized earlier, the possibility that novel information elicited in hypnosis may be confabulated must be evaluated -- always. It is possible that such new information is true, but as equally, it could be a lie, it could be confabulated, or it could be pseudo-memory that is manufactured in response to the demands of the hypnotic situation. These four alternatives -- truth, lie, confabulation or pseudo-memory -- were emphasized by French forensic investigators of over a century ago (Laurence & Perry, 1988), and each of them, still, requires rigorous assessment. Hypnotic hypermnesia effect "Hypermnesia" refers to an abnormally vivid or complete memory. Hypnotic hypermnesia is the belief that hypnosis enhances accurate memory for events that a person is initially unable to remember. In actuality, there is little evidence favoring the hypnotic hypermnesia effect. Although people may produce more information with the use of hypnosis, it is not necessarily accurate. Given that the processes underlying response to hypnosis appear to implicate fantasy and imagination, any novel material elicited in hypnosis needs to be corroborated by independent means. This is particularly so when hypnosis is employed as a part of a police investigation designed to elicit additional leads. Uncorroborated, hypnotically elicited memories can, all too easily, lead to the wrongful imprisonment of innocent people. Post hypnotic amnesia Post hypnotic amnesia is the failure to remember most, if not all of the events occurring in hypnosis, until a pre-arranged signal to recall them is administered. This phenomenon is confined to the top 10-15% of the population, and, typically, these individuals remember mere fragments of what transpired during the preceding period of hypnosis. They may, for instance, recall writing their name, their age, and the date, but not that this request was made within the context of being hypnotically age regressed to childhood. While some high hypnotizables have a "blanket" amnesia for the events of hypnosis, this is more typical of low hypnotizables asked to simulate hypnosis (Orne, 1979). Usually, the response of simulators to this and other hypnotic items is to respond in terms of the perceived demands of the situation. They tend to interpret an amnesia suggestion as meaning that they cannot remember anything at all until they receive the signal to reverse the amnesia. This reversibility of post-hypnotic amnesia distinguishes it from amnesias of organic origin, such as from a blow to the head. While evidence suggests that memories based upon a retrograde amnesia (that is, one resulting from trauma of either a psychological or physical character) may become available eventually, the retrieval process is, ordinarily, slow and laborious. By contrast, the reversal of hypnotically suggested amnesias is effected by a simple suggestion that the person "can now remember everything." What is the relevance of "dissociation" to hypnosis? Another characteristic of the hypnotizable person that has long been implicated in the hypnotic process is the ability to dissociate. The problem with this particular concept is that it is part of the intellectual baggage that was inherited from the 19th Century, and it is a term that has more than one meaning. Sometimes the term is used to mean the ability to perform two tasks at once; at other times, it points to the ability to focus upon one activity to the exclusion of all other elements in a situation (in which case it may be formally indistinguishable from absorption). Still a third usage, emphasized by Ernest R. Hilgard (1977), involves the notion of processing information at a level that is not accessible to conscious awareness. Despite these contrary connotations, the sheer longevity of the concept of dissociation suggests that it may be implicated in the hypnotic process. To be a useful concept, however, it needs a reformulation that removes the various ambiguities of current formulations. Does hypnotic age regression produce historically accurate memories? Hypnotic age regression involves the hypnotized person's ability to "relive" an earlier period of his/her life. It is to be distinguished from thinking about the past, or remembering it; the age regressed person experiences being a younger age in a subjectively vivid and compelling manner, and this is accompanied, quite often, by what appear to be age appropriate changes in voice, mannerisms and handwriting. Although the age regressed person's behavior can be very convincing subjectively, that is no guarantee of the historical accuracy of anything that a person recalls about his/her past during age regression. <hr></blockquote>

by **bkkexile** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:46 am

I just downloaded and watched 'the heist' the other day. I've downloaded most of his series and enjoyed them. I've found that as he increases the size of his stunts I start to become more suspicious of their credibility. While enjoying 'the heist', I am not completely sold on it. He usually claims that he uses no actors or stooges, but to my understanding the definition of a stooge in stage hypnosis is someone who has been previously hypnotised by the performer? He is obviously a bit of a skeptic (a la Randi) but I think his comment that hypnosis does not exist is ridiculous considering he has referred to himself as performing therapeutic hypnosis in one of his books. I think that he is perhaps trying to legally protect himself to some extent with that comment. Or else he is paying homage to that excellent book "there's no such thing as hypnosis' by Steven Heller. I only have a rudimentary knowledge of NLP, but if you watch some of his earlier stuff there are some pretty cool examples of it's utilisation (or perhaps not). I have to admit I'd be disappointed if he was purely using mentalism to achieve his effects.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:46 am

I have a Theosophist Society booklet from around 1946 called Hypnotism: Psychic Malpractice. Despite the assertions of 'animal magnetism,' there are quotes from academic experts in newspaper articles in the 1930s and 1940s warning of the potential harm which hypnosis can do to the subject and highlighting the ability to weaponize a person into doing things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Interest in hypnosis surged during WWII when it was used to treat what used to be called 'shell shock' and 'hysterical paralysis.' Dr. Estabrooks is quoted from his book 'Hypnotism' on the ability to create a murderer if so desired.

by **NewKid** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 3:47 am

A couple of McKenna videos are at the top of page 3.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:02 am

<a href="http://www.mk-resistance.com/west.html">www.mk-resistance.com/west.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Dr. Louis Jolyon "Jolly" West Dr. West is now a commentator on psychiatric matters on KCAL television in Los Angeles. Send your comments to kcalnews@studio.disney.com. .... There is a certain psychiatric agency, the American Family Foundation, which exists officially to guard the public from injurious cults. AFF is the mother organization for the so-called Cult Awareness Network (CAN). Dr. Louis Jolyon West is director of AFF. An expert in brainwashing for the Air Force and the CIA. West first achieved fame from his MK-Ultra feat - he injected LSD-25 into an elephant and killed it. West researched "the psychology of dissociated states" for the CIA, using LSD and hypnosis. His friend Aldous Huxley suggested to Dr. West during an MK-Ultra experiment that West hypnotise his subjects prior to administering LSD, in order to give them "post-hypnotic suggestions aimed at orienting the drug- induced experience in some desired direction." Dr. West was called upon by the government to examine Jack Ruby, who had killed Lee Harvey Oswald before Oswald could stand trial for his alleged role in the assassination of President John Kennedy. West declared Ruby to be in a "paranoid state manifested by delusions, visual and auditory hallucinations, and suicidal impulses." Ruby was convicted in 1964, but conveniently died in 1967 while awaiting what could have been a revealing re-trial. Dr. West lived in Haight-Ashbury during the summer of 1967, to study the hippies. In the 1970s, West became famous again for his plans to create a Center for the Study and Reduction of Violence. Its staff was to investigate the genetics and biochemistry of their prisoners, including "hyperkinetic children," whose every motion would be electronically monitored by Orwellian guards. Though backed by Gov. Ronald Reagan, the plan was defeated. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCAL-TV">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KCAL-TV</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Additionally, Channel 9 offers first-run syndicated programs such as talk shows, reality shows, newsmagazine shows (including Inside Edition, and late-night repeats of Entertainment Tonight and The Insider, both of which are previously seen the same day on KCBS), court shows, as well as the controversial hit cartoon series, South Park, which airs late nights after the news. <hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/21/06 2:04 am

by **4911** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:17 am

When I was in grade 9 living in Barcelona I bought a book called "The Healing Powers of Hypnotism". I read it and asked my Phys Ed teacher (a crazy dude - he introduced me to hash on the roof of the schoolbuilding) if he would chaperone a test. I asked a bunch of people if they would like to be hypnotised. One girl said yes. We went into the library and she sat on a chair. Speaking in a monotonous voice I held a pen to her forehead and told her to close her eyes but to keep them focused on the penpoint on her forehead, and to simultaneously silently count backwards from 500 to one, and while she did that I told her her arms were getting lighter and lighter. This went on for ten minutes. The process basically overloaded her mental faculties - there was too much for her brain to do at once like focusing on the point, counting backwards, feeling her arms begin to tingle and get light, Eventually her arms started floating off the chairrests. She was under. We took her back a few years and she could tell me exactly what she had for breakfast on such and such a day, exactly what clothes she wore then, etc. I implanted a post-hypnotic suggestion in her than the next time she used the word "fuck" she would get a bitter taste in her mouth and that she would need to drink a glass of water to get rid of the taste. It worked, she told me a few days later. Me and my physEd teacher were stoked. The principle called me into his office when he got word of that. "I dont want to have to make a new School Rule that says `No hypnotising other Students`, ok?" Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 7/21/06 2:30 am

by **orz** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:21 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You'll find that this is the only link at that website that opens up BLANK-<hr></blockquote> Man, i think you need to get a new web browser! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"> Seriously, what are you using? You seem to have problems with a lot of sites that look fine to me... if you're on Internet Explorer or whatever maybe try downloading Firefox, (that's GOTTA be a keyword hijack surely <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"> ) it's generally much better. EDIT: to be more helpful, here's the page you couldn't see: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>THE DANGERS OF STAGE HYPNOSIS 1.) PHYSICAL CASUALTIES Physical casualties are one of the dangers of stage hypnosis. On many occasions people will sustain minor injuries. These can occur from falling off their chair to the more dangerous accidents like falling off the stage. There was an episode during the early 1990s that wasdislocated elbow - hypnotic accidents from dangers of stage hypnosis, reported in the press about a girl who walked off the edge of the stage at Glasgow Pavilion. She asked the hypnotist if she could go to the toilet, to which he said, "Yes of course, take the nearest exit." His comment was given harmlessly, yet the girl walked straight off the edge of the stage and injured herself by breaking her ankle. Approximately five years later it was Glasgow Pavilion that was sued for damages, not the hypnotist. At a Christmas show for Plymouth University I had a girl slip over on a wet dance floor. She badly dislocated her arm. The accident was caused by the wet dance floor, with the responsibility falling onto the owners of the venue where I was performing. Physical accidents do happen, but fortunately the human body heals quickly - it is the psychological accidents that can be so very dangerous, and is one of the most common dangers of hypnosis. 2) DEPRESSION FROM REJECTION AND DAMAGE TO THE PSYCHE When a hypnotist asks for volunteers quite often a large number of people, maybe 20 or 30, will put themselves forward. Very quickly the hypnotist will reduce this number of people down to 15 or 20, take them all into trance as he continues with the start of depression from rejection on of the dangers of stage hypnosishis show. His eventual goal is to have 10 or 12 subjects all of whom are in deep somnambulism. Quite shortly it becomes obvious to the stage hypnotist (and to the audience) that 2,3 4,5 or 6 or more of the volunteers are not in very deep trance, and not responding to his suggestions like some of the other volunteers are, so the hypnotist sends them back into the audience. He really only wants to work with subjects that are in true somnambulism, so he can produce these wild hallucinations and other bizarre post-hypnotic suggestions. Now the volunteers he has sent back into the audience because their depth of trance wasn’t deep enough, even though they were in a level of trance, for some, not all of them, but may be just one of them, they could well feel, “I wasn’t good enough.” This rejection, and the feeling that comes with it may only last a minute or so, or may be for the evening , or may be even the next few days, or may be stuck in the subconscious mind permanently. There is no rule of thumb with hypnosis. “The I am not good enough” could be a direct cause for severe depression, and the subject not even aware of the original trigger that created it. It is this rejection feeling of, 'I'm not good enough', which can happen so very easily, and then be trapped in the subconscious mind. Again it depends upon the individuals’ own personal psychological and neurological make up. No one can tell what that is until the damage has been done, and then it can't be proven that this person's personality change was caused through the medium of hypnosis. This is what I mean by depression from rejection and damage to the psyche. 3.) MISINTERPRETATION OF SUGGESTIONS When giving a suggestion to someone under hypnosis it is very easy for them to misinterpret what you have said. The story of the girl at Glasgow Pavilion is an example of this. Sometimes when you give a suggestion to just one particular individual another person also will react to the suggestion given. Occasionally this will be a member of the audience. As previously mentioned true stage hypnosis is mass hypnosis. Without the hypnotist realising this, how is he to know that the suggestion has been removed not only from the individual involved on stage, but also from everyone's subconscious mind in the audience, which leads us onto. 4) RE-STIMULATION OF A POST-HYPNOTIC SUGGESTION Going back to serious accidents happening in hypnotic shows reminds me of another story. It was during my early days as a stage hypnotist. A young lady had been involved in a hypnotic show that a colleague of mine, by the name of Ian, had performed. Ian was the very same person I had talked to in Malta about stage hypnosis. Four days later, having been in Ian's hypnotic show, this young lady was in a supermarket carrying out some shopping. Music started to play in the background. It was the very same music that she had heard during a suggestion she was given while in his hypnotic show. Suddenly she stopped shopping and started to prance arounddangers of hypnosis post hypnotic suggestion in restimulation the supermarket as though she was a famous model. She was with some friends fortunately; they realized exactly what was happening. They took her to see three or four different hypnotherapists who couldn't help this young lady. Her friends then contacted the venue where the show had been performed. The venue contacted the agent and the agent contacted Ian the hypnotist. He in turn contacted me and asked if I could help (because he lived 200 miles away). Back through the chain, and the young lady eventually turned up on my doorstep in Nottingham. I could see immediately that she was in a very deep trance. A click of my fingers, a glare into her eyes, simultaneously stating, "Sleep", and she fell into the armchair behind her. I suggested she was in the hypnotic show in which she had participated. I had a good idea of this other hypnotist's act and ran a super-fast scenario of it. I then brought her out of trance slowly and gradually. She was in a level of shock not knowing where she was, how she got there, or what had happened over the previous week. I spent some time talking to her ensuring that she felt re-adjusted, and never saw or heard of her again. 5) LOSS OF CONTROL As for my own show, I would adjust the show to the audience. Family shows were always a little tamer than an adult show, and a lot would depend upon the audience’s reactions to how risqué I would allow the show to become. I have never told or suggested for anyone to strip naked. Having said that, quite often I would end my show with the Chippendales. As soon as the men had stripped off to their boxer shorts or 'Y' fronts I would stop the music, and the volunteers would come back to a level of waking consciousness. One show at Butlin's, over two years ago, I was performing in front of a family audience of around 3,000 people. It was the end of the show and the male volunteers thought they were the Chippendales. The moment this man undid the belt on his trousers a drunk member of the audience, in fact his wife, rushed up on stage and pulled his trousers and under pants down. The man was stark naked in front of this family audience. Fortunately everyone seemed to see the funny side of the situation. I didn't. I was quite upset, and took offence to the action from this member of the audience. When situations like that arise it means that the hypnotist has lost control of the situation, something that surprisingly can happen quite often. 6) ALCOHOL AND DRUGS Talking about loss of control reminds of a show I performed in Germany, and another danger of hypnosis. I was under contract to perform for the British army. Having travelled overland to Germany I arrived at this base camp to discover that a weekend charity event was taking place. All the soldiers were paralytically drunk. It did not seem right to perform my show; everybody was too drunk to start with, and I felt nobody would danger of hypnosis hypnotised under the influenceappreciate it anyway due his or her drunken intoxication. My fee was £500, plus my expenses for petrol and the ferry crossing. I protested to the agent who was at the camp, and advised him it was not a good idea for me to perform my show. His only comment was, no show, no money, no expenses and his commission would still have to be paid. That would have meant I would have been hundreds of pounds out of pocket and at a huge loss. This conversation between the agent and myself created bad feelings. My hands were tied so I performed the show with the agreement that he, as the agent, would take full responsibility for any mishaps. The show went well. The drunken soldiers enjoyed it, and everyone seemed impressed. Sadly one of the members of the audience became unconsciousness. He couldn't be aroused from his stupor. He had obviously fallen into trance while watching the show. The combination of alcohol and the natural mass release of endorphins in his brain led him into a comatose state. Incidentally, endorphins are your minds own natural opiates but thousands of times stronger. When a subject enters trance endorphins are released into the brain. The deeper the level of trance the greater the release of endorphins. An ambulance was called and he was rushed to hospital. That young soldier spent the night in hospital attached to a heart monitor machine. The alcohol poisoning in conjunction with his brain's own release of endorphins could have led to death. Usually as a professional hypnotist I would never use volunteers who were drunk to perform in the show, although often this is unavoidable. Also, basically you don't know how much someone has had to drink, or if they are under the influence of drugs. 7) GRIEF CHARGE Possibly the most common occurrence and dangers of hypnosis is what I call a "grief charge". The volunteer in question suddenly drops into deep trance. When a person experiences deep hypnosis the brain waves slow down into a cycle known as theta. The brain waves are slow, 4Hz to 7Hz cycles per second. It is in theta that the subconscious mind really opens up. When we experience painful and traumatic events in life the emotions are sometimes locked away and forgotten about in the subconscious mind. As soon as the subconscious mind is opened up the emotional pain is released. When I wrote about the therapy case histories in the earlier chapters, these clients overcame their psychosomatic disorders through the safely run re-stimulation of their past upset emotions. Sadly for a few individuals, during a hypnotic show, their subconscious minds open up and they grief charge another danger of stage hypnosiswill suddenly for no apparent reason go into fits of hysterical crying or depression. (During a situation like this in a show it is not possible to aid the subject as you are entertaining an audience, not practising as a therapist.) They are in reality experiencing a re-stimulation of emotions of a past traumatic event in their life, and may not even know what it is. This re-stimulation of negative emotions usually only lasts for a few minutes, or for a few hours. However, if the psyche or ego is damaged through this uncontrolled re-stimulation of emotions it could well lead to depression or personality changes for life. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"> OBSERVER BECOMING THE VICTIM Yes, as we have already stated in previous chapters, stage hypnosis is mass hypnosis. In some ways this might be the biggest danger of all. On numerous occasions I have had members of the audience fall into trance, and even follow the suggestions given to the participants on stage. Also I have had audience members experience a grief charge. Any danger that could befall a volunteer on stage could also happen to an audience member. When a subject is on stage at least the hypnotist has a certain amount of control over that person. But what about the audience consisting of several thousand people, all of whom are in an element of trance, some deeper than others. Accident possibilities are mind-boggling. With an audience of several hundred there are bound to be one observer of hypnosis becoming the victimor two people at least, who sometime in their life have had some form of psychiatric problem. These people may well have gone to the show just as an observer, but have ended up on stage due to their own susceptibility to mass hypnosis. When the hypnotist has made the call for volunteers an inner compulsion has taken control over their sick and weak minds. The hypnosis can then fire them into psychosis. 9) HYPNOSIS CAUSING PSYCHOSIS Once at a Butlin's holiday camp, right at the start of a show I dropped this man into instant trance. A few minutes later I said, "Wakey wakey, what are you doing down there lying on the floor?" The young man, around the age of 30, leapt to his feet, turned to the person next to him, and put his hands around the person's throat in an attempt to strangle him! I quickly intervened with the word "Sleep", and the subject fell back to the floor in a trance. I quickly gave suggestions of inner confidence, ego hypnosis causing psychosisboosting, and suggestions of peace-of-mind and well-being. I then awoke him and he returned back to the audience. All this happened within a few minutes, the audience didn't really know what was happening and I had a show to perform. Unfortunately the story doesn't end there. Immediately after I had finished the show there were further problems with this individual. He had turned insane, and was acting like a madman thinking he was a soldier. He was out to kill, and not to be captured. Due to the strong emotional content I would rather not recall this story in detail, but will say that it was a very frightening experience for myself and the other people involved. Luck being on my side the situation was resolved, and the young man concerned spent the night in a local hospital. He had already been bordering on the verge of psychosis, and the hypnosis had acted like a trigger. That night driving home, I was in a state of shock. Nothing had ever happened like this before. My main concern was for the young man, and also how could I avoid something like this ever happening again? The answer was, I couldn't. There is no way that you can tell whether a volunteer is bordering on a level of psychosis or neurosis. If a person is bordering on the level of psychosis, then hypnosis can be the trigger that fires them into insanity. I have hypnotized thousands of people, and fortunately have had only a few casualties that I am aware of. Even one casualty is one too many. <hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=orz@rigorousintuition>orz</A> at: 7/21/06 2:23 am

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 12:52 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>You seem to have problems with a lot of sites that look fine to me<hr></blockquote> Yow. Thanks for the page, orz. That's very helpful. Yes, there does seem to be some cyber-glitches or cyber-hankypanky going on with what I can see online. I'm wondering if a form of cyber-COINTELPRO is in play. I had an unusual 'technical' experience here at RI a few months ago when the Pentagon publicly was running an internet wargame excercise. I'm still trying to figure out what happened. A link I had posted about military recruiting was broken and when I tested it I was redirected to a totally different page with a not-too-subtle 'warning' to me. I've smelled a number of 'chilling' comments to me since. I'm beginning to suspect that a 'trouble-maker' tag cookie is on my computer and both keeping me from seeing some data and making me see things differently from others, a good way to make me seem either paranoid or inept. That Seattle Post Intelligencer blog page about the Zombie Rave shooter came up heavily redacted with grey blocks when I clicked the url from RI but not when I clicked it in email I sent a friend to check it out for me. Infowar and the internet is DARPA territory, as Jeff probably found out when his front page essay got locked up, supposedly by Ezboard due to spamming. But this was in the middle of the Pentagon's Zarqawi psy-ops wargasm and Jeff had just posted evidence of US-UK false-flag terrorism in Iraq on the highly-visible mainstream DemocraticUnderground website. I think that timing invoked an infowar response to slow Jeff down online. And it worked. Lots of cyber-tricks are possible for plausibly deniable info suppression. I think we are just seeing the beginning of that bag of tricks. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 7/21/06 10:57 am

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:08 pm

Here's what is so dangerous about that 'Dangers of Hypnosis' webpage, it really lets the cat out of the bag. I think THIS is why Darren Brown's obviously staged video is being inserted into the young American mind on the internet to DISCREDIT the notion of programming their minds for war: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Immediately after I had finished the show there were further problems with this individual. He had turned insane, and was acting like a madman thinking he was a soldier. He was out to kill, and not to be captured. Due to the strong emotional content I would rather not recall this story in detail, but will say that it was a very frightening experience for myself and the other people involved. Luck being on my side the situation was resolved, and the young man concerned spent the night in a local hospital. He had already been bordering on the verge of psychosis, and the hypnosis had acted like a trigger. That night driving home, I was in a state of shock. Nothing had ever happened like this before. My main concern was for the young man, and also how could I avoid something like this ever happening again? The answer was, I couldn't. There is no way that you can tell whether a volunteer is bordering on a level of psychosis or neurosis. If a person is bordering on the level of psychosis, then hypnosis can be the trigger that fires them into insanity. I have hypnotized thousands of people, and fortunately have had only a few casualties that I am aware of. Even one casualty is one too many.<hr></blockquote>

by **Dreams End** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:30 pm

No...hugh. No no no. You are going to make yourself insane if you aren't careful. These glitches you describe are normal.... And it seems unlikely that someone would go to the trouble and risk of entering your computer so that you wouldn't be able to see one page of one site and would see gray blobs on another. Believe me, it would be very easy to just shut your computer down altogether if someone had that kind of fine access to your machine. Also believe me, Hugh...I have the "paranoid" label from my wife and friends. I understand that it's not something to throw around lightly and that it's a way of discrediting ideas. But that really seems to be what you are slipping into. Sometimes I wish there were "parapolitically aware" therapists out there. People we could go talk to and no that the content of our ideas would not, in and of themselves, be considered evidence of mental illness but who nevertheless could keep us grounded and help us back off and have a more objective look at concerns we have about being targeted, etc. When I drive, I am constantly aware of the cars behind me...looking for unusual behavior. There's no reason for me to be followed because I'm almost always going to the same places I always go...but it's part of the hypervigilance I have due to thinking about and writing about all this parapolitical stuff as well as a history of activist activities that really did result in surveillance and infiltration. But I'm not very active right now for a variety of reasons, and on the totem pole of paraplitics, I must realistically confess I'm not very high up at all. But I allow myself to continue looking in the rearview mirror...but I talk through such times with myself to objectively assess whether I'm seeing anything of real concern...and so far I never have. Then there are times where I am somewhat justified in my "paranoia" but still without proof or anything definitive. Then I must live in a gray area of possibility. I don't commit to the idea that the "paranoid" thought is true...because the danger there is to slip into a loss of rationality and my ability to discern truth from fantasy. On the other hand, I don't simply overrule things which seem to have a grain of possible reality to them. Here's an example. You know my wife's situation..and still her understanding is that all of her multiple personality issues stem from abuse by a babysitter (causing the initial ability to split off alters) and then a propensity to continue splitting of alters under levels of stress that would not, in and of themselves, have initiated that in the first place. It all makes some sense. However, well...come on...you've read this board and know what a dark and sinister world MPD seems to at least sometimes be a result of. So I live in this gray. Once her mom, who is also DID (that counts as some real evidence that something a bit more than babysitter abuse is at play here...) sent me a shirt for Christmas and also one for Debbie. The one for Debbie said "Mom loves me best"...and this triggered her and ultimately, combined with the stress she endures at holidays, she ended up in the hospital. meanwhile, after having been the family member to start directly (but gently) confronting what the hell was going on, I got from her mom a shirt that said "Dangerously Overeducated." It's an intellectual family, so maybe the shirt means nothing. But I also felt it could have been a warning to back off. Another time, her mom sent an email to her that was a cute picture of cats (I know I've posted all this before...so bear with me) and a "cute" message that, indeed, has been circulating around the internet as these things do. It said "you and me is friends...you smile, I smile...you cry, I cry...you jump off a bridge, I miss your emails." In full knowledge that Debbie was suicidal, this was sent to her...and Debbie AGAIN ended up in the hospital (believe me..I do not take her unless she is absolutely a danger to herself and I don't think I can keep her safe...I hate those places. It also doesn't help that one of her alters seems to like the hospital or at least have urges to go there). Now, to be fair, she didn't even register the "jump off a bridge" part till I told her I was mad at her mom for sending that crap. So she figured her mom didn't notice it before she sent it.. Then, not being one for subtlety, I asked her mom about it. She said "What email?" When I finally got her to remember she claimed she hadn't seen that part of the message, which indeed you have to scroll down to see." On the OTHER hand, she also said, "We....I mean I must not have noticed." This sounded like another part of her actually sent the email and she didn't remember and was faking it to cover up. A common DID situation. When I asked if some part of her might be feeling angry and revengeful to Debbie, she acknowledged yes. All that is to say that I live in a dangerous mental place. A gray area. It becomes easy to interpret innocent events as sinister and easy to overlook sinister events as happenstance. It is a narrow road, and on either side lies madness. So I'm urging you to look carefully at your own thought process. I think you are on that slope. If you are like me...you may be able to leave that behind when you aren't posting here...that's what I do...I post and then don't dwell on it till there's new developments. And unlike some, when I post here, like about the Brown video, I want the debunking. I want people looking at these things from other angles. I don't scream at Pan for suggesting, quite politely, that I'd been suckered by the Brown video. In fact, I NEED that kind of feedback to keep me grounded. (Plus, now I have decided I want to be a mentalist as a hobby (no hypnosis though, thanks) so I have to butter him up for some secrets...which, I note in an aside within an aside, are actually to be had in plenty for enough $$$. Lots of books and videos out there explaining lots of this stuff.)) Your strongly associative thinking will help you make leaps that others won't...and that leads to breakthroughs. But then there's the hard work of building a more solid foundation....and I'm afraid without one things could get very difficult.

by **LilyPatToo** » Fri Jul 21, 2006 1:56 pm

Hugh and orz, thank you so much for those articles. I run into people all the time who believe the lies that "you cannot be hypnotized against your will" and "you won't do anything you wouldn't do unhypnotized". Those were, I'm quite certain, planted to cover up the weaponization of hypnosis. And most people believe them, especially New Age True Believers who've been led deep into disinformation territory by experts. The truth is that people can (and have) been made to pick up handguns upon orders from the person who hypnotized them, aim them at co-workers and fire them. These were ordinary people who wouldn't have dreamed of doing anything remotely like that when unhypnotized. Yet the fairy tale lives on and the dangerous truth persists, covertly known and exploited by the mind controllers. But the lies have been sown so expertly that it's next to impossible to change people's thinking on the dangers of hypnotism--I know, because I've tried on other, more New Age-y boards. There is a howl of outrage from all the gullible people who've spent small fortunes on the so-called Human Potential Movement. Their resistance to believing that their gurus are in many cases affiliated with the intelligence agencies is tremendous. These are their saviors, after all.....[bleh!] LilyPat

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