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Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Project Willow » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:13 pm

I thought I would pass this link along. Photos may be triggering for gov. mc survivors. I have no idea how legit this is, but found it powerful.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://indianlakeproject.blogspot.com/">indianlakeproject.blogspot.com/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Dreams End » Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:59 pm

I googled a bit. I think it is viral marketing, I hate to say. Maybe for a movie that is upcoming or maybe for an online mystery. A few sites on the internet have referred to it as a "fictional blog" or a viral marketing scheme but they didn't say how they knew. <br><br>Some of the old photos look photoshopped to me..but overall it just has that sorta feel. If this is true...they've gone beyond the limits in my view. Time will tell, I guess. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby starviego » Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:07 pm

Tease, tease, tease. Interesting, but it sounds like a red herring. The picture on the bottom is scary, though. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Project Willow » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:05 am

DE, anything in particular you can share?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Dreams End » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:13 am

I just googled. here...maybe I can find the links again.<br><br>From a french viral marketing site:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The indian lake project<br>03/11/05 [Marketing viral] Article en anglais<br>Une nouvelle campagne subvirale vient de voir le jour, dans le même esprit que Blair Witch.<br>Une boite contenant des secrets a été découverte dans les bois. Dans cette boite, la preuve de l'exploitation d'enfants par les militaires. Dans quel but ? Tout le mystère est là.<br>L'utilisation du blog est une bonne idée pour immerger le lecteur dans l'histoire.<br>Buzz pour un livre, un film ou autre chose ? Difficile de dire pour le moment.<br><br><br>My pidgin translation:<br> "Here is a new viral campaign in the same spirit as "Blair Witch." A box which contains some secrets has been discovered in the woods. In this box is proof of the exploitation of children by the military. In what (way?) It's all a mystery. The utilization of the blog is a good idea to immerse the reader in history. Buzz for a book, a film or something else? Difficult to say at the moment.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.buzz-marketing.fr/envoitaf.php?id=228">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>This one in English:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Betsy’s Phony Bologna<br>exploring the world of fictional weblogs<br><br>new links…<br>October 22, 2006<br>Filed under: Uncategorized — EAFRIEDR @ 12:43 pm<br><br>I updated the “blogography” page which lists most of the fictional blogs I am aware of.<br><br>Recent additions include Hilly and Fred, Indian Lake Project, Journal of an Earthborn, Horton’s Folly, The Critical Times, The Germaine Truth, and The Wonderful World of Joseph McCrumble.<br><br>Something I find interesting: Two of these links lead to fictional newspapers. The Critical Times is a Victorian Era and The Germain Truth is a mystery story for which the authors have developed an entire town, complete with newspaper, radio station, chamber of commerce, and blogs. Very cool.<br><br>I haven’t had a chance to read Indian Lake Project, but I did see that the author uses images and video, which is pretty cool. It looks like it just started not too long ago and is going strong.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://centerleft.net/journals/betsy/">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Here's a thread in which John S goes to a mainstream site for bloggers asking for people to check out the blog. No comments other than "please take a look and let me know what you think."<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.bloggerforum.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=15269">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>And from a <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://empressmaruja.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_empressmaruja_archive.html">site</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> I could not possibly begin to explain:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>3) I just found out a great site for you to browse on. It's called The Indian Lake Project, a mystery blog that involved a metal box, old photographs, and what seemed as a classified military experiment involving children. It got me sooooo creepy that I read all of the back articles.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Go to that site..it was completely out of context. <br><br>finally, this picture looks photoshopped to me...looks like it was made to look old. Others looked genuinely old...but obviously, it's hard to tell online.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/619/1673/320/roger1.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <br><br>which looked to be very similar to this one in the appearance of all the aging and distress marks on it. <br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/619/1673/400/sally.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>So I can't say for sure, pw, but that's what I found. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Sepka » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:52 am

That really looks to me like viral marketting, albeit entertainingly done. Notice how the blogger talks about his misgivings for having posted this material on the internet, yet hasn't taken the obvious action and deleted the blog. <br><br>Editted:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>One final note, I have never viewed these movies properly, I am afraid that doing so could damage them (they are not in very good shape on the whole). Therefore, I don’t know if there is sound, which is a shame because that could answer some questions.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I call BS on that. He's looking at frames from the movie. The magnetic sound track (the only sort that came on 8mm) would be apparent. The associated pictures look to me like a child with speech or hearing issues being shown how to do some sort of feedback on what sound he's making.<br><br>His 1947 nickel is extremely worn as well. If his story's true, then the lastest it could have been lost would be 1955, which would mean that it was only handled for eight years. Nickels are hard, and wear very slowly. Look through your pocket change, and compare the wear on your nickels to this one. That nickel's been in circulation for decades.<br> <p>-Sepka the Space Weasel</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sepka>Sepka</A> at: 10/27/06 12:41 am<br></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Project Willow » Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:58 am

Thanks DE, for doing that. <br><br>I spent too much time today reading some discussion boards on which people claiming to be survivors were writing. I wondered if a couple of them were moles. That's how I came across the site. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:47 am

Hey, that's where Flight 93 is buried! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Project Willow » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:29 am

That site is just diabolical, I can't think of another word. And I should not be surprised at the lengths to which some people will go, at the underhanded, dirty, malicious, exploitative things they can do, but apparently I still can be.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:48 am

Viral marketing for a movie about...well, looks like the cover-up tactic of decoy fictionalization about dark history is rolling along.<br><br>What other military-intelligence history will be made into 'fictional entertainment' for the kids? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby professorpan » Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:42 pm

PW, I can understand your revulsion at the film and the marketing. It's completely understandable you would have a bad reaction to a fictionalization of something very real and personal to you. Some war veterans cannot watch war films, but that doesn't mean a film about war cannot have merit, or be a work of art.<br><br>The Indian Lake Project could be an interesting and provocative film -- bringing a subject to light that most people know nothing about.<br><br>Contrary to Hugh's suggestion that this is part of some grand conspiracy to obscure real MKULTRA activities, it looks to me like it could be a clever fictionalization of what really happened. In that case, and providing the film is actually good, it could ignite more public interest in U.S. government mind control programs.<br><br>My novel, which I'm currently shopping around to agents, also deals with many of the issues discussed on this board. It's fiction, and <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>dark</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> fiction at that, but when it's published I hope it will draw more attention to issues that seem relegated to the bottom of the "conspiracy theory" bin.<br><br>So fiction -- even fiction about disturbing or horrific subjects -- isn't necessarily exploitative. Fiction can open people's minds to things they had never considered, and spur real-life investigation (as resulted from the dreadful "DaVinci Code," for one example).<br><br>Of course, once the film version of the book gets made, I'm sure Hugh will have a lot to say about my Mockingbird pedigree :-) <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Dreams End » Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:55 pm

It's a tough call. Doubtless the filmmakers, if that's who is behind this, want a succesful film and to be famous, etc. <br><br>When a film touches on parapolitical topics I never know whether that will make people more open to them or will make people assume that "oh, that's just a Hollywood story" and dismiss it. This is exactly the sort of thing that I would expect to happen along the lines of what Hugh talks about...not keywords...but a film that explores a topic that maybe the bad guys want to discredit. Or promote a disinfo version of something real. <br><br>Or, it might open people up to a possibility they never considered possible. I really don't know. <br><br>I started watching Battlestar Galactica..the new series. You've never seen a darker, more conflicted tv show. It's humans vs. robots called "cylons" who have learned to use genetics to give themselves human bodies. All of humanity has been wiped by out by the cylons save a remnant protected by the titular battlestar. SOME cylons don't even know they are cylons and have programming that kicks in due to certain triggers and become assassins or sabateurs and aren't even aware of it. Some actually escape their programming and side with the humans. (by the way, it's the best acting and writing I've ever seen on a tv show, nevermind a scifi tv show. Whatever it's conspiracy/parapolitical purpose may be, if there even is one, it's well done. Every "hero" character gets shown in various episodes in an unflattering light...making questionable and even flat out morally wrong choices. In other words, they are very human. I don't watch TV much but a friend gave them to me on DVD. No commercials!)<br><br>The movie "Serenity" had a similar theme and only the programmed assassin's brother knew the right words to get the young assassin (in this case, an overt mind control victim) out of her assassin mode.<br><br>And of course there is Manchurian Candidate. <br><br>Does this open minds to possibilities or does it forever put these topics into the "hollywood fiction" category? Personally, these sorts of films have opened my eyes to this. But many are different. I'm amazed that people can watch an action thriller in which the CIA is doing horrendous stuff and find it believable and then completely revert to "all is well" mentality back in the real world.<br><br>I don't like the viral marketing stuff. I find it very clever, but ultimately, it's about passing off fiction as fact in pretty sophisticated ways. And we should all be aware that nothing you see on the web should be accepted at face value, I think it muddies things even more.<br><br>But the only links on the site are to info about MKULTRA including the declassified files. So does that discredit those, once the blog is revealed as fiction, or do people start looking around and seeing what else is out there? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Indian Lake Project, Photos of Exps. on kids

Postby Project Willow » Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:46 pm

Hi Prof.,<br>Thanks for the alternative view, and good luck on your book. A survivor I know presented parts of her story as fiction in novel form, but I point to it as a resource, because it also contains very real and accurate information. <br><br>What troubles me about this site is the way it's done, presenting fiction as fact. I can see survivors themselves being fooled by the site (I nearly was), and sending it out to people as evidence, in fact, that's exactly how I came upon it. It's an excellent way to discredit us. <br><br>The one photo with the girl on the bed, I have no idea where that came from, if indeed it is not wholly invented, got to me. I know real photos of subjects in the midst of various programming/torture sessions exist and are buried in files somewhere. It's just what we need, a leak like that. But this site sets a precedent, if we ever were to get our hands on such photos, who would believe they are real?<br><br>DE, I've had some discussions with regular folk about movies like Firefly. When I assert that someone involved with the project may have had inside info (it surely seemed that way to me), I get the response that the general themes involving the mind control character are fairly ubiquitous in the sci-fi genre, and nothing too new or surprising. So, back to square one.<br><br>I can say that at least these fictionalized accounts get the concepts into the public's awareness. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE's comment on whether this helps or hurts a topic

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:18 pm

Cross-posting this from my comment in DE's thread about Derren Brown's 'video hypnosis' production and whether it is real or not-<br><br>Mirrors of mirrors of mirrors.<br><br>Some insist that fiction can bring a topic to light. <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">I disagree.</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Fiction is fiction and dumps oil on any traction which reality would otherwise provide on a topic through confusing fact and fiction exactly like "reality TV."<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Example:<br>When CIA control of the mainstream media was almost exposed in the 1976 Church Senate committee hearings (after a few years of leaks on the topic allowing time for a movie to be put in the works, ProfPan) and the suppressed report was leaked to Watergate-famed journalist Carl Bernstein who published it in the 10/20/77 Rolling Stone. Yet few Americans knew of this. Even the NYTimes buried the story by printing it over two months later on Christmas Day 1977.<br><br>But the movie 'Network' came out in 1976 and THAT is what Americans have thought of since then when they think of Big Evil Controlled Media, the fictionalized version about renegade news anchor Howard Beale who is "mad as hell and not going to take it anymore," not the non-fiction reality of the CIA's Operation Mockingbird.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://tmh.floonet.net/articles/cia_press.html">tmh.floonet.net/articles/cia_press.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Originally published in Rolling Stone, October 20, 1977.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>How Americas Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>THE CIA AND THE MEDIA<br><br>BY CARL BERNSTEIN<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Now let's go...to the movies!<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0074958/">imdb.com/title/tt0074958/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0074958/plotsummary">imdb.com/title/tt0074958/plotsummary</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Plot Summary for<br>Network (1976) <br><br>Howard Beale (Peter Finch) is an ageing TV anchorman for UBS who is fired, effective in two weeks, after his ratings have been steadily deteriorating. He reacts to this by sensationally announcing on live television his intention to commit suicide on air. In doing so, Beale becomes a major TV icon and one of the most valuable assets to <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the Communications Corporation of America (CCA)</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, the company that is gradually taking control of UBS. As a result he is given his own show as 'the mad prophet of the air-waves'. He appears live on television every week-day evening to tell the real truth to the people of America. The programme is a huge success <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>but Beale uses his power to make startling revelations about CCA, leaving the company executives with a serious problem.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The average American knows their movies and not their history.<br>In fact, even their history has been fictionalized. <p></p><i></i>
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Indian Lake is a scene you should make...

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:11 pm

Remember that song by the Cowsills?<br><br>"Indian Lake is a scene you should make with your little ones<br><br>Keep it in mind if you're lookin' to find a place in the summer sun<br><br>Swim in the cove have a snack in the grove or you can rent a canoe<br><br>At Indian Lake you'll be able to make the way like the Indians do<br><br>You take a bus marked Lakewood Drive<br>And you keep on ridin' till you're out of the city<br>Where the air is fine with the sweet smellin' pines and the country side's pretty<br>And you'll see daffodils peepin' over the hills or a honey lovin' mama bear<br>Just take a left at the bridge go down to Quaker town Ridge<br>And in a minute you're there"<br><br><br>What do they mean by "make the way the Indians do?"<br>I always thought it meant to "make water."<br><br>ps: Loretta Lynn also covered this song<br> <p></p><i></i>
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