William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

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William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby The Omega Man » Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:20 am

<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=299">The Sleep Room of MKULTRA</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Inside The Sleep Room: The Terrifying Ordeal Of A Woman At The Hands Of A World Famous Psychiatrist With Secret Links To The CIA<br>Added: Oct 27th, 2006 8:35 AM<br><br>By Gordon Thomas<br><br>Thursday, October 26, 2006<br><br>On a bleak winter's February day, Anne Margaret White, mother of three small children, was admitted to one of the world's great teaching hospitals, St Thomas's, in London. She was thirty-one years old and suffering from post-partum depression, which effects a number of women after giving birth.<br><br>Three months later, Anne emerged from the hospital physically and mentally so changed her father thought she was "a zombie".<br><br>The transformation had been achieved by a psychiatrist as respected as the hospital in which he worked.<br><br>His name was William Walter Sargant -- Will to his friends -- who had long been regarded as a ground-breaking physician. His clarion call could be heard through the hospital corridors. "An ounce of phenobarbitone, or some rather more modern tranquilliser, may be worth more than a hundred-weight of persuasive talk".<br><br>But unknown to her, or the hospital, when Anne White became his patient, Sargant was at the forefront of ultra-secret mind-control experiments. He was the British end of the most sinister programme ever approved by the United States government: MK-ULTRA -- designed to control all human behaviour.<br><br>By that February morning in 1970, the programme had officially been disbanded. One of its key members, Glasgow-born Dr Ewen Cameron, was dead. His Allan Memorial Institute in Montreal, Canada, where hundreds of patients had undergone hypnosis, psycho-surgery electroshock and the whole gamut of behavioural control, had become a stain in the name of psychiatry. The US government had apologised for the CIA's work and promised it would -- could -- not ever happen again. It seemed that accountability to the democratic system had triumphed.<br><br>It had not. Anne White was about to find this out; that MK-ULTRA continued to thrive in the hands of William Sargant.<br><br>He continued to use the massive doses of electroshock and drugs as part of his behavioural modification regime.<br><br>He was, in 1970, also working closely with Dr Louis Jolyon "Jolly" West, who was chairman of the Department of Psychiatry at the University of California in Los Angeles and director of its Neuropsychiatric Institute.<br><br>Shortly before Anne White had been admitted to his care, Sargant had made another visit to West. He proposed using Sargant's previous research to see if it was possible to create a real-life Manchurian Candidate: an assassin whose mind could be controlled.<br><br>A Hollywood film in 1959 had shown the Chinese brainwashing an American soldier, captured in the Korean War, being conditioned in Manchuria and sent back to America to kill the President.<br><br>The concept had consumed the CIA during the MK-ULTRA era. For West and Sargant it remained a near-obsession.<br><br>Using his highly placed connections to the American drug industry, Sargant's arsenal of mind-altering drugs was unequalled in Britain. He was the first to treat -- depending on the definition of "treatment" -- patients with Thorszine, Stelazine and Melalaril; anti-depressants like Elavil and Tofranil; anti-maniacs like lithium carbonate. He gave them in combinations.<br><br>He scoured the psychiatric journals for news of new drugs. His files included an advertisement from the Archives of General Psychiatry. It showed a dark skinned, thick-lipped young man, fists clenched. Above the figure are the words "Assaultive and Belligerent?". Beneath the figure is the message: "Cooperation often begins with Haldol (haloperidol). It acts to control assaultive, aggressive behaviour".<br><br>For Sargant drugs were "the chemistry of liberation". He worked closely with the Eli Lilley Company; Hoffman La-Roche and Geigy, with Merck, Sharp and Dohme; Park-Davis and Company; Smith Kline; French Laboratories; Searle Laboratories.<br><br>From them came the drugs supposed to free Sargant's patients from their demons, anxieties and psychoses. In reality, drugs were often no more than a means to control their behaviour -- turning them into "zombie" figures.<br><br>Sargant had a vision, bordering on messianic zeal, that he would lead psychiatry into a new world. His weapons would include epileptic form convulsions, induced by the drug penterazol and electroshock; hypoglycaemic coma, produced with insulin; psychosurgery and pre-frontal leucotomy. He outlined his methods in his book, "Physical Methods of Treatment". It became required reading for his growing number of medical followers in Britain and America.<br><br>Yet even they did not suspect Sargant had made a Faustian bargain with Britain's two intelligence services.<br><br>At the outset of the Cold War they urgently looked for new ways to understand, combat and overcome the medical manipulations of Soviet and Chinese psychiatrists. In Sargant they found a willing tutor.<br><br>At military bases in Britain, including one at Maresfield, near the south coast resort of Brighton, he conducted drug-related experiments on so-called "military volunteers". Other drug experiments were performed at Britain's most secret bio-chemical warfare establishment at Porton Down on Salisbury Plain. Again "volunteers" from military mental hospitals and from military prisons were used.<br><br>The CIA sent observers to monitor these tests. Among them was one of its senior bio-chemists, Frank Olson, and Dr Sidney Gottlieb, the overall head of the MK-ULTRA programme.<br><br>The three men became close friends. On each trip they visited Sargant's department at St Thomas's to study patient records. They also shared with Sargant the latest mind-altering research being carried out at Fort Detrick, the US equivalent of Porton Down.<br><br>The eponymous Dr Sargant ruled supreme over the Department of Psychological Medicine at St Thomas's. He had established the department when he had left -- "not without a degree of acrimony" -- that other citadel of British psychiatry, the Maudsley Hospital, also in London.<br><br>Arriving in St Thomas's, Sargant found he had to create "my department virtually from scratch in a dark, dank, rat-infested basement, nicknamed "Scatari".<br><br>It had one ward, a fearful place of drugged screams and troubled mumblings. It was here that Sargant, the son of a wealthy and staunchly Methodist family, began to experiment with what he called "heroic doses of drugs used in different combinations".<br><br>He would use these to turn Anne White, a woman desperately seeking his help, into that zombie-like figure her father saw when she emerged from his "care".<br><br>For him, her depression was a chemical event. The invisible, choking substance that leaches out the spirit, he would say, was the result of some electrolytic imbalance in the brain. While he would concede that each depression, like flakes of snow, are not alike, "they are all formed on the template of past experience".<br><br>To eradicate that past -- however important it would be for a patient -- became the ultimate driving force behind William Sargant's methods.<br><br>Tall and muscular, with a toothy smile that never quite reached his eyes, Sargant had an athlete's stride, a legacy of his days as a Cambridge University track athlete. His clipped speech and penetrating stare brooked no challenge. His lodestar was that "insanity must be treated by primarily physical methods. Just as the heart can be stimulated by a physical shock and a tumour removed from the brain to give relief, so can mental illness be similarly treated".<br><br>But there was also a darker, secret side to William Sargant. He had a voracious sexual appetite that could not be satisfied by a normal relationship. Even though he had married a delightful woman called Peggy, he had made it clear he wanted no children. Whatever Peggy may have suspected, she never challenged him about the way he regularly disappeared for a weekend.<br><br>His destinations were mansions in the depths of the English countryside where those recovering from the dull grey years of WWII had found a new way to satisfy themselves at "swinger" parties. Many were out-and-out orgies -- often attended by doctors, lawyers and pillars of their churches. In the seclusion of those country estates, William Sargant found the physical relief for his fantasies.<br><br>Refreshed, he would return to London to continue his work -- to experiment on Anne White.<br><br>Today Anne White, now in her sixties, can look back at a fulfilled career. She was an Examiner for the Medical Council of Canada and Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine in the Department of Psychiatry at McMaster University Medical School in Ontario. Her area of expertise includes neurology and behavioural medicine. Her long list of awards and research grants are testimony to her work.<br><br>A buoyant, vivacious woman, she shows no outward signs of what happened to her when she was admitted into St Thomas's Hospital under the overall "care" of Dr Sargant.<br><br>Her medical history is all too common. After the birth of each of her three children -- two boys and a girl -- she had developed post-partum depression.<br><br>She told me: "After each birth I felt tired all the time even after getting sleep; weepy; worthless as a mother; guilty that I wasn't doing a good job. Everything was an effort, including looking after the baby. I lost all pleasure in things I normally loved. I couldn't concentrate to read; I couldn't listen to and enjoy music. I was intermittently suicidal and nearly always thinking everyone would be better off without me; that I was a drag on my family. There was no light at the end of the tunnel.<br><br>As soon as I was pregnant with the second child this situation resolved and, during the pregnancy, I felt good. I had my first two children 13 months apart, then there was a gap of two years before the next one was born. I spent six weeks in hospital with my last pregnancy with high blood pressure. The baby ended up in an incubator for a week. Again I became depressed. But as no one diagnosed the problem, it went untreated for two years."<br><br>At the time she was living in Zambia, an African nation with limited medical facilities. Her own husband (they are now divorced) was a family doctor. After consulting with another doctor, it was decided that Anne should return with the children to her parents in England and be admitted to St Thomas's.<br><br>She had no idea what to expect. But she had been assured that the hospital was at the cutting-edge of medicine. She would be taken good care of. She would get better. With that expectation, she became Dr Sargant's very trusting patient.<br><br>He decided that the young mother was a suitable case for the Sleep Room.<br><br>Sargant's Sleep Room was modelled on the one Ewen Cameron had created in the Allan Memorial Institute as part of the MK-ULTRA programme.<br><br>It was at the back of Sargant's department; a dormitory with six single beds. Each was a foot apart and a low-wattage bulb barely provided sufficient light for the nurses to be able to see.<br><br>Injected with Largactil and Seconal to keep her in a drugged sleep, Anne was placed in the Sleep Room. There she received doses of other drugs, Amitriptyline and Nardil.<br><br>This was what life was like for her over the ensuing weeks.<br><br>"I don't ever remember being taken to a bathroom or lavatory, although that must have happened. Unfortunately I was so drugged up that every time I stood, I passed out, because my blood pressure dropped into my boots. I don't remember talking to any patients. I could just see the next bed but no details. When I reached the point that the medication wouldn't keep me asleep, however much they gave me, I lay in the dark with virtually no auditory input. I think I remember listening to tapes. But I can't be sure and that may be something which is a false memory."<br><br>It was not a figment of her drugged mind. Sargant, like Cameron, had devised a system where all patients in the Sleep Room received endless instructions on a tape loop. They were played through a recorder placed under each pillow.<br><br>In between lying in the Sleep Room, Anne White was wheeled to a treatment room for electroshock.<br><br>She later discovered she had been given 26 bi-lateral shock treatments. The recommended number is no more than six.<br><br>Each time the electrodes were attached to her temples and the current was turned up to roughly the power required to light a 100-watt bulb -- far brighter than all the lights in the Sleep Room.<br><br>The only protection to the grand mal seizure that followed was the muscle relaxant drug she received.<br><br>When she awoke back in the Sleep Room her head was throbbing with pain. "My mind felt like a blurred, pounding emptiness".<br><br>But the spirit of resistance still flickered in Anne's mind. She demanded a halt to the treatment.<br><br>The nurses in the Sleep Room consulted with Sargant. Suddenly, Anne recalled:<br><br>"I was placed in a small room by myself. I was left to my own devices while I went through a week of barbiturate withdrawal. The nurses hardly bothered with me. I was the one who had dared to challenge the system. I felt I was being punished."<br><br>It was only years later, long after she had left St Thomas's Hospital, that Anne White, the "zombie-like creature" that so shocked her father, began to discover the truth about William Sargant. He was the psychiatrist who had appeared for the defence in the trial of Patty Hearst in 1976, when he had told the court that Patty was "an unwilling victim of brainwashing".<br><br>His judgement could well fit the case of Anne White.<br><br>When she went in search, she found her case notes had disappeared from St Thomas's shortly after Sargant's death on August 27, 1986. Her efforts to find them have failed. But the memory of what she endured remains as fresh today after three decades.<br><br>The story of Anne White, and all those like her, is ultimately a story of terror: of the familiar -- a respected hospital -- becoming a place of horror.<br><br>Anne White believes that the best defence against unethical behaviour is public disclosure and awareness. She believes the time has come for the government to reveal all it knows about still secret research of places like Porton Down.<br><br>"The longer the truth is covered up, the closer we are to allowing Sargant's successors to continue their work", she told me.<br><br>Gordon Thomas' work includes the five-times nominated Academy Award winner "Voyage Of The Damned"; "Enola Gay", winner of the Emmy Best Foreign Film prize; "A Bit Of An Experience", winner of the Monte Carlo Film Festival Critics and Jury's prizes. His "Underpass" received the Best Original Screenplay submission at the 1999 Cannes Festival.<br><br><br>© Gordon Thomas 2006<br><br>Gordon Thomas is the author of Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad. He specializes in international intelligence matters.<br><br>http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/thomas102606.htm <p></p><i></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby rain » Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:00 am

well thanx OmegaMan,<br><br>BUT <br>(yeah here it comes)<br><br>there is so much 'wrong' with this article I wouldn't know where to begin.<br><br>how 'bout,<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"the chemistry of liberation". He worked closely with the Eli Lilley Company; Hoffman La-Roche and Geigy, with Merck, Sharp and Dohme; Park-Davis and Company; Smith Kline; French Laboratories; Searle Laboratories.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>good morning, and welcome to their nightmare.<br><br>I wonder if I should even try to argue the case that maybe, leaving the whole 'manchurian candidate' biz to the side for a bit, what's being done more generally is something that could be termed 'organic psycho-surgery' ?<br><br>anyway, reminds me of a curious set of elements that spiked my interest at the time of the Seattle ' Zombie - rave ' shooting and coming across the location of a 'sleep centre' <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">and</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--> a woman very much involved with ADD in Whitefish, Montana of all places.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby The Omega Man » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:29 pm

Don't forget the covert handlers behind the Black Trenchcoat Mafia. Grooming wind-up soldiers, CULTivated and used to carry out school shootings on certain days of infamous significance. Columbine stinks of black ops and mind control with Eric Harris' father playing a prominent role. I've also thought that there was a lot more to the cases of alleged Boston Strangler Albert DeSalvo, Jeffrey Dahmer, Gary Heidnik, David Berkowitz and a number of others who share a commonality with regards to evidence of military mind control. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=theomegaman@rigorousintuition>The Omega Man</A> at: 11/1/06 8:30 pm<br></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby starviego » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:02 am

Did this guy have any kids? There was a student at Columbine with that same last name who was a trenchcoater and was identified as a shooter by at least two witnesses. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby starviego » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:28 am

Oh yeah , you can bet Seattle rave slayer Kyle Huff, 28, was the proverbial Manchurian candidate. From media sources:<br><br><br>--Roger Platt, who came to the party, said Huff didn't talk much but listened intently to others' conversations. One thing stood out to Platt as fairly odd. "I'd walk by him and he'd say, '<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>What's going on here? What's really going on</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->?' " Platt said. It happened three or four times, Platt recalled.<br><br><br>--One witness told police that Huff made <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>a phone call</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> before returning to the house with a pistol-grip shotgun, a semi-automatic handgun and an ample supply of ammunition.[Raymond Shaw? Raymond <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Prentiss</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Shaw?]<br><br><br>--As the gunman walked the half-block back to the house, he spray-painted the word "NOW" in orange twice on the sidewalk and once on the steps of a neighbour's home<br><br><br>[From the PANEL REPORT on the March 25, 2006 Capital Hill Shooting<br>Submitted to the Seattle Police Department(SPD) July 17, 2006, pg14&15:<br>Throughout the crime scene there were..... unfired shotgun shells and .40caliber cartridges which seem to indicate that he kept pumping the shotgun and rechambering the handgun. ....In the basement, there were two unspent cartridges, indicating that he had pumped the shotgun as he went searching for targets, but did not fire. Huff walked through the house, repeatedly pumping his gun and discharging casings to the floor. But except for the initial flurry of gunshots, he did not shoot at anyone. This suggests some degree of disorganization or confusion regarding gun use, anxiety, or failure to follow his plan.<br><br>[Comment: the fact that the shooter was racking and ejecting unfired rounds throughout strongly suggests he may have been playing out a game scenario rather than acting with an intent to hunt down and kill victims.]<br><br>pg15<br>There were many unallocated clusters found on Huff’s computer ..... One unallocated cluster referred to Columbine High School (one of the key words searched for by the SPD). Another unallocated cluster was called “Mind Control Coverup.”<br><br><br>The tie-in:<br>--<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>One day before</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the Saturday morning shooting, Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske was honored by Washington CeaseFire, a gun-safety, advocacy organization for efforts to end gun violence in Washington state. Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels also was thanked by the group for his work. Kerlikowske was given the Delores Jones Person of the Year award for his work to toughen gun safety laws, according to CeaseFire. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=starviego>starviego</A> at: 11/1/06 11:39 pm<br></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby monster » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:35 am

Yeah I've seen quite a few stories lately about people going missing and showing up with amnesia. <br><br>Kinda scary. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby rain » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:28 am

thanx for that 'tie-in' tid-bit starviego. I hadn't read that.<br>yes, I think the 'gun control' issue is one factor, - eg: look at Stockton, 1989, -<br><br>----<br><br>The Stockton Massacre refers to the killing of five schoolchildren in Stockton, California on January 17, 1989.<br><br>On that date, Patrick Edward Purdy, a disturbed drifter and former Stockton resident, opened fire on the Cleveland Elementary School playground with a Chinese-made semi-automatic rifle, similar to the AK-47, killing five children and wounding twenty-nine others and a teacher. The victims, Raphanar Or (9), Ran Chun (<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> , Sokhim An (6), Oeun Lim (<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> and Thuy Tran (6), were all Cambodian immigrants, except for Tran who was born in Vietnam. [1]<br><br>Purdy, who had carved the words "freedom", "victory", and "Hezbollah" on his weapon and written "PLO", "Libya", and "death to the Great Satin" (sic) on his flak jacket, then took his own life.[2] ...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton_Massacre">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockton_Massacre</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>then look at when Shrub41 was elected and when the executive order was signed. similar pattern with Bailey and Lancaster recently.<br><br>- but only one, of the factors.<br>for instance, some of us 'cons-piracy theorists' think that the string of Mr.Amero, Elk Grove and Seattle had 'codes' or messages - specifically biblical references - attached to them.<br>and what of the video -games ? is this what Gary Webb was onto ?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Kinda scary<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>what's really scarey is that these 'incidents' keep recurring, yet in the discussions which spring up around them, even given the sufficient indications and evidence of what is most likely to be happening, people don't seem to be willing or able to make the connection. what is that ?<br><br> <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby The Omega Man » Fri Nov 03, 2006 2:11 am

Thanks Rain, Patrick Edward Purdy was another whose name escaped me when I was writing about the other hypno-spree killers. I also heard that he had a Celtic cross carved in that gun stock as well, very much like the the Zodiac killer's (Team Zodiac) sigil. This info came from a Dave Emory show on the Zodiac/Manson connection called "Team Zodiac: The Manson Zodiac Connection". Charles Whitman the Texas clocktower sniper is definitely another whom I've always believed to be one of the first in this seemingly endless line of MK wind-up terror-killers. Tip of the hat to you too Starviego, who has always been spot-on with valuable background info on the Columbine black-ops. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Kyle Huff

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:04 am

Back when Huff went off someone dug up a story that he'd previously fired on a statue of a moose. This sounded like mind control in action to me.<br><br>Anyone still have that story? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Kyle Huff

Postby rain » Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:34 am

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20060326/70x91kylehuff.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>here's one of the online articles referring to the 'moose' incident Hugh.<br>I don't think that a whacky moose-head shooting necessarily infers mind-control. eg: Elvis shot his TV, and his car, - he was manipulated but not mind-controlled per se.<br><br>Police seized Huff's guns once<br>But his weapons were returned after Montana incident<br><br>By TRACY JOHNSON AND ANGELA GALLOWAY<br>P-I REPORTERS<br><br>Police in Montana once took away the two guns Kyle Huff used in Saturday's deadly rampage on Capitol Hill, but he got them back the next year after pleading guilty in a vandalism case.<br><br> <br> Huff <br>In July 2000, Huff had used the same weapons -- a Winchester shotgun and a Ruger .40-caliber handgun -- to blast away at a hand-painted moose statue that was on display in Whitefish, Mont., according to Assistant Police Chief Mike Ferda.<br><br>Two dozen shell casings -- 13 from the 12-gauge shotgun and 11 from the handgun -- were found near the damaged statue.<br><br>Huff denied shooting the artwork and refused to cooperate with police, Ferda said, but they eventually got a court order to seize his guns. They matched the casings to his weapons and arrested him for felony criminal mischief.<br><br>A felony conviction would have made it illegal for Huff to own any firearms again.<br><br> <br>Instead, he ended up pleading guilty to a misdemeanor charge.<br><br>Then on Oct. 19, 2001, Ferda said, a judge noted that there was no longer any reason for Huff's guns to be confiscated and ordered that police give them back.<br><br>Ferda said Huff bought the handgun at a sporting store in Kalispell, Mont., and that the shotgun came from a second store, though it was unclear who bought it. <br><br>An assistant manager at that store, Snappy Sport Senter, said he would not disclose information about buyers.<br><br>Seattle police also confirmed Monday that the same two guns used in the vandalism were used in Saturday's shooting. <br><br>They said they were trying to trace the weapons, along with a Bushmaster rifle found in Huff's pickup truck and possibly the three other hunting-type rifles found at the 28-year-old man's Northgate apartment.<br><br>They also found a machete and a baseball bat in his truck, which was parked near the house party where the shooting took place. Police said Huff had more than 300 rounds of ammunition.<br><br>His shotgun was a Winchester Defender with a pistol grip, a weapon commonly used for home protection, according to Shawn Dodson of FirearmsTactical.com.<br><br>He said the pistol grip makes it better for use in small spaces, such as "going down a hallway or in an alcove," but that it's very difficult to shoot accurately.<br><br>Dodson said the handgun and rifle are often used for sport or target shooting.<br><br>Though police said all three identified weapons can be legally purchased and owned by an adult without a felony record, the shooting stirred debate about whether tougher gun laws could have helped prevent such a tragedy.<br><br>The shooting, which left seven people dead, including Huff, happened less than 24 hours after Washington CeaseFire honored Mayor Greg Nickels and Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske "for their dedication and work to end gun violence in Washington state," the organization said.<br><br>CeaseFire Executive Director Natalie Reber said state and federal leaders need "to think very seriously" about how to prevent such tragedies, perhaps by restricting the number of guns someone can legally purchase or the amount of ammunition one can carry.<br><br>She said that while none of Huff's weapons would have been illegal under a federal assault weapons ban that expired two years ago, it might have applied to the amount of ammunition he carried.<br><br>Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, said guns are too readily available, though finding "a systematic fix" that would have prevented the bloodshed on Capitol Hill might be difficult.<br><br>Gun rights advocates, however, said supporters of gun control have not offered any specific solutions that would do anything to prevent such violence.<br><br>"They're just pointing fingers in the air and saying something needs to be done," said Dave Workman, senior editor of Gun Week, a newspaper owned by the Bellevue-based Second Amendment Foundation. "If somebody is intent on committing a crime of violence, they're going to do that."<br><br>Joe Waldon, executive director of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, said there were still "more questions than answers" about what prompted the shooting. <br><br>But he said even people who are legally barred from owning guns, such as convicted felons, can get their hands on them anyway.<br><br>"I don't see what law would have prevented this," Waldon said.<br><br>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/264597_huffarsenal28.html?source=rss<br>hmmm... just noticed that this is being billed as<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20060328/massacre_link.gif" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>anyway, re: the biblical references, if, (and I'm quite happy to concede the if,) I'm reading the 'signs' right on this one, was<br><br>Exodus21:12 He that smiteth a man, so that he die, shall be surely put to death.<br><br>that made me go 'huh ?'. are there two groups sending smoke signals to each other with slain bodies ? or what ever... lots of possible questions.<br><br>but the Huff shooting was right at the same time as a critical juncture in the ... dum de dum dum... hamdan vs rumsfield case.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Kyle Huff's vandalizing moose hunt

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Nov 03, 2006 4:05 pm

Yeah, I found the Seattle PI article with comments from one of Huff's homeys that the moose was one of many statues around town which were part of an arts benefit and could've easily been seen as vandalism targets by bored boys with guns.<br><br>Still, Kyle Huff (his mother changed name from 'Hough' after divorce from Vietnam vet husband) might have been drugged at the after-zombie-rave party when he came back at 7am with guns.<br><br>All the testimonials to his character describe kind of a big teddy bear hippy who stopped fights, not a combatant at all.<br><br>How many guns and weapons did he need to have around? Was it a Frodo's Ring effect? Too much TV-movie violent imagery plus his friend who went out shooting?<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: William Walter Sargant, yet another MKULTRA programmer

Postby starviego » Fri Nov 03, 2006 8:24 pm

Omega, thanx. Jus' tryin' to do my part.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>and what of the video-games ? is this what Gary Webb was onto ?<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Rain, check out this video of British hypnotist/entertainer Derren Brown:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2428437236878343763&q=derren">video.google.com/videopla...3&q=derren</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In it, he turns a guy who thinks he's playing a video game into a mass killer(if the bullets weren't blanks). I'm not sure if the performance is really what it looks like, but if it is, then this is evidence of how to turn someone into a manchurian candidate-type mind controlled killer. <p></p><i></i>
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