leftwing vs. rightwing conspiracy theory

by **Project Willow** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:01 am

DE, As for blood libel, as others have said, projection is probably a good explanation. But keep in mind also every religion contains a percentage of people who secretly practice its opposite, or use it as cover in their day to day lives. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Can the elites aim magick at us as well as microwaves? Don't know. And when you get into mind control, the line between magick and technology grows very thin indeed.<hr></blockquote> As you pointed out, the Nazis and their supporters here in this country perfected mind control. They were scientists and military people, everything was done in measured and replicable ways. In the laboratory, subjects' responses were monitored with the highest technology available. That's why I know mc will be proven to exist one day, it's all science based. The concepts may have originated in the cult, but the magic disappeared in the labs. Knowing what little we know from declassified documents, it is wise to wonder what other weapons and forms of control have been developed over the last half century. The reason ra is important is not just that *some* of the elite are occultists, but because these activities exist in every community. We have a duty to end the suffering of future generations of kids, as well to protect ourselves from the monsters bred within in these groups. Jeff and others may disagree with me, and I am open to further revelations, but from my own personal experience, the elite aren't capable of tapping into any magic power, it's just that their belief systems allow them to think that they can. It's always been helpful for me to think of ra as another form of organized crime. That's what we're dealing with right now on the grand stage, the networks, the cronyism, the terrorism protection racket. And that's how it is on a local level too, only ra groups traffic in children, and blend seemlessly into the community. They have society's denial and their connections to the seats of power to protect them. We are only reaping now what has been sewn over generations, and I'm not talking about a grand conspiracy. None of this requires a coordinated plan, only elements of it have, as you pointed out.

by **dbeach** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:09 am

Col If Thumper is a disrupter or disinfo agent of some type. WHY quit? Then he has comlplted his mission.. PLUS I will miss ya . SO DO reconsider. I am more with GDNO1 on this topic.No group or nation or philosophy gets a free ride.. I have been flamed here for saying some some of the neo-cons are Jews and for bringing up that the rotscchild family and rockefeller family are the center of the NWO. This is still the USA and Israel is a hot button topic under the best of circumstances.. I would add that this is war an info war and reading each others truths is a skill and an art.

by **Project Willow** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:23 am

Apologies... This is what happens with corpus callosum damage, the broad picture is sometimes blury and disconnected from specifics or examples.

by **dbeach** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:34 am

"it is wise to wonder what other weapons and forms of control have been developed over the last half century." Tesla SCALAR and HAARP SCARY STUFF and those cell phone towes all over the world I will not own a cell phone call me old fashined but I HATE all this wire cuz it reminds me of barb wire and AJones continues to pt out the elites are building us into a prison planet.. Majic may exist but magnetic energy is all over Creation and earth is covered with it..maybe this majic stuuf is about harnassing some of that magnetic force field Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon to the rescue

by **jenz** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:25 pm

Project Willow - I endorse everything you say, and also, I don't know what magic is. sure, ra-ers use the full bag of tricks, but these can generally be identified and stripped down, when enough info is available. tell me what magic is someone?

by **ZeroHaven** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:03 pm

and this whole time I thought s/he was going off on people out of a lack of emotional control in the face of logic... my, this is informative. first - Jenz - magic is the science that is being suppressed in the patent office. for example: that orgonite stuff someone's been hawking around here. it's QUARTZ, being dumped into electromagnetic fields with a backing of metal. It works like magic.. but then, so does a digital watch. proven. effective. magic! search out free-energy heaters or how to make your car run on water. back to the rant "We cannot stand by and let our country be destroyed in the name of "political correctness" Right! So don't immediately go psycho on the person who points out that someone who isn't white and catholic is actually doing something wrong. As everyone else seems to have agreed, all groups have their sinners.. but knowing the motives behind the sin sometimes requires knowing the gender, race, or political affiliation to be pointed out! Working for economic justice and a system that leaves fewer people victim to hopelessness and despair is a great way to do that So where are your brilliant ideas on this? Maybe my memory is bad but I don't recall seeing them. Now, annalivia and friend are boldly fighting for it. I'm introducing people to the ideas being employed in Venezuela. Call me whatever names you want. I know how to prepare a full kosher meal.. I've helped my black family members in their humble field.. Maybe if you spent more time reading the questions with a little thought and less time saying pointless shit like "The only reason I actually bother to respond is just so that new readers in this forum will know ..." You wouldn't feel this superb need to defend your logicless emotional outbursts. here's one for Homeless Halo.. Anyone who could use the terms "Jews" or "Isreal" and "conspiracy" in the same sentence should currently be checking themselves into therapy. Well geez why don't you call your local Homeland Security office and have them inform <a href="http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&q=%22conspiracy+against+israel%22&btnG=Search" target="top">all these site owners</a>, and then <a href="http://www.google.com/search?num=30&hl=en&lr=&q=%22conspiracy+against+jews%22" target="top">all these too.</a> "can someone answer this question or address this point? it looks valid" no, you're a freak. you're insane. you're sick for even asking. GO BACK AND READ YOUR OWN RESPONSES TO UNINFORMED POINTS AND FEEL ASHAMED. of course, this doesn't apply to most people here. you're wonderful and i like you. but those very few, JUDGEMENTAL, HYPER REACTIVE, SELF CENTERED people are starting to really REALLY piss me off. [edit] i forgot CLOSED MINDED! and that's the worst. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=zerohaven>ZeroHaven</A> at: 10/2/05 7:16 pm

by **Homeless Halo** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 9:27 pm

In response, I'd note that in the future one should attempt to understand what I meant, as opposed to taking me scripturally literal and being a bugfuck. The links you posted do indeed use those words in the same sentence. Most of them however, do not maintain that "Jews" or "Israel" are the ringleaders behind the international control of thought. Those that do, as I said, should seek therapy. The belief that an entire KIND of people are manipulating the world is one of the things that is responsible for the world we live in. Its like saying "the caucasian" or "the american" conspiracy. And there is no such thing. I know this for sure, because I am both American and Caucasian, and am not involved in a conspiracy. Neither are the Israelis and Jews I know. (Just as the Germans I know are not Nazis and the Southerners I know are not members of the KKK) This was all I intended to address. Using these descriptive terms are misleading, harmful to the innocent, and at least partially responsible for the lack of credibility that all of this research receives in the mainstream. By the way, your google searches were for conspiracies "against" Israel and Jews, neither of which I denied, not conspiracies BY Israel and Jews. Therefore, your links are not valid as a tool for reprimanding me. --As for: "can someone answer this question or address this point? it looks valid" I didn't say that. You must have me confused with someone else.

by **Dreams End** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:03 pm

Dear Zero, Why is it that racists always get so upset about being called racist. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: Zero Haven unmasked. From HIS VERY OWN WEBSITE, an exciting look at the "characteristics" of the various races. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>black - black hair, brown eyes. cliche african physiology. tall (probably the tallest on average), strong, near black skin. work close to the earth, some mysticism, avoid technology. strong in-group and family ties, violent against outsiders. physical advantage in higher UV environment and generally enjoy dry heat. brown - brown to black hair, brown eyes. think hispanic races. shorter than whites and blacks, technically adept, adapt well to various environments/climates. weak personal discipline. strong family ties, median group ties, genial to outsiders. do well in warm and more humid environment. red - indians of the americas. tall (second tallest?), very strong, minimal body hair. work close to earth, technically adept but do not embrace technology. median family ties, strong group ties, genial to outsiders. adaptable to climate. yellow - cliche oriental. short (probably the shortest), lower strength [without training!], little body hair. work both close to earth and embrace technology. strong family/community ethic, avoid outsiders. strong personal discipline. physical advantage in low-nutrient environment. "white" subtypes: i think there were two or more colonies that first diverged then interbred so much it's impossible to classify properly. the two basic phenotypes then: -the thin, pale blond-haired blue-eyed peoples.. usually physically reminiscent of birds or fairies. think holland or iceland. -the dark-haired hairy thick-boned strong peoples like greeks and russians. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://zhaven.blogspot.com/">zhaven.blogspot.com/</a> And what's YOUR solution to racism. Why it's obvious: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>this is just background to my next point, which is that if we think of the people's of this world as once distinct and separate groups who probably came from different planets.. many of the prejudices become immediately obvious.<hr></blockquote> Here's your take on the inequity (EXTREMELY WELL DOCUMENTED) in healthcare for African Americans in this country: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>I just saw a news blip saying "African Americans" don't get equal access to health care. Since my personal experience says that they get preferential treatment, I decided to check this out.<hr></blockquote> Then you quote "allaboutblackhealth.com" OUT OF CONTEXT: It is commonly believed that this underutilization by African Americans is due to their mistrust for the American societal institutions marked by the legacy of slavery, abuses in medical experimentation, economic injustices, racial profiling practices found not only in the streets of American cities but also in the healthcare delivery system. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>It is commonly believed that this underutilization by African Americans is due to their mistrust for the American societal institutions marked by the legacy of slavery, abuses in medical experimentation, economic injustices, racial profiling practices found not only in the streets of American cities but also in the healthcare delivery system.<hr></blockquote> This quote was about HOSPICE CARE, not medical care. And it went on to say that this view is wrong and that there are a variety of reasons for this disparity: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The authors of the JAMA commentary write, however, that the causes of hospice care underutilization by minorities may be several, and "few data have been collected to further the understanding of this important problem." They go on saying that "to provide the basis for solutions to correct this current states of affairs, reliable data and and a broader societal dialogue are needed."<hr></blockquote> They conclude: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Without minimizing the mistrust and individual factors, the authors believe that, as in the case of the overall unequal access to medical care that provides "less resource-intensive care than do other hospitalized patients, despite their preferences for more life-prolonging measures," African Americans receive also less access to hospice and palliative care.<hr></blockquote> In other words, the exact opposite of what you were citing this article to support...that blacks get "preferential treatment". Here's your "preferential treatment" <img src="http://www.afscme.org/publications/health_focus/hf50001.gif" style="border:0;"/> http://www.afscme.org/publications/health_focus/focus500.htm#inequities(this link is one of many that demonstrates the very glaring disparity in health care for African-Americans. (Am I being substantive enough for you, there Zero?) As for this: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I've helped my black family members in their humble field.. <hr></blockquote> Oh, so I guess black people really do "work close to the earth". Are you related to them, or do you own them?

by **Homeless Halo** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:09 pm

BTW, I don't consider myself racist, although I tend to make assumptions about people. I think that I'm somewhat culturally uninformed. But I don't hate any specific kind of people. I hate all of you. Myself most of all.

by **thumperton** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:12 pm

...and prejudice. who saw that coming <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes">

by **GDN01** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 10:45 pm

DE - you accuse ZeroHaven of presenting info out of context? Let me introduce you to the pot and the kettle. I'm glad you gave us the url for ZeroHaven's blog because you totally misrepresented what he writes. But ZH doesn't need me to defend him. Is anyone else getting tired of this witch hunt of DE's?

by **Inanna** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:43 am

You have the best handle on reality, to date.

by **jenz** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:41 am

Umh I suppose everyone here knows that there is less genetic difference between so called races than between individuals within one so called racial group?

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:13 am

Any conspiracy theory based on ideology instead of factuality is bound to run up on the rocks. I give credit to right-wing conspiracy theory for seeing it as criminal conduct carried on by criminals, rather than claiming that "capitalism" makes anyone who engages in it a criminal, with the amount of criminality invariably directly correlated to the level of individual success. My problem with the right-wing ideologues is that they persistence with which they drag the red herring of anti-Semitism and anti-liberalism across the trail. While they do identify some obvious offenders by name, they quickly mix in so much nonsense that the entire case is discredited- unless one is beguiled by the well-trodden Nesta Webster Illuminati track. Thus, the net effect is to discredit conspiracy hypotheses, unless one signs off on the lunatic fringe. The problem with left-wing conspiracy theory is slightly different. They don't scapegoat by ethnicity- at least, not in the systematic racist bigotry of right-wing reactionaries. When they do, the scapegoated ethnicity is WASPs, or the more general category of "whites"- but the reason given isn't supposed racial inferiority, it's the collective heritage of "class privilege" that causes some ethnic groups to be singled out for scorn. Marxism insists on its demographic pigeonholes, people are often seen as nothing more than vectors of their ascribed and achieved social status as economic beings. And in the case that Marxism does take the measure of the worth of individuals, it does so based on a given individual's conformity and fealty to Marxist dogma. That is, the only way for a white person to escape "white skin privilege" is to do the Marxist dance. Leftist conspiracism scapegoats by class- considering all wealthy people to be in cahoots, united in consciously organizing society for the purpose of oppressing the poor. And, like the right wingers but for different reasons, Left conspiracists commonly indulge in double-bind conundrums, i.e., the Drug War is pursued for purposes of oppressing the poor- but so is Drug Law Reform. Etc. The subtext is that no program or policy that garners any support from the wealthy- or even the bourgeois and smallholders- can ever be anything but a dummy co-optation of authentic social progressivism. That's because- and here's the nub of it-to the minds of Left Conspiracists, only wholesale Class Revolution will ever provide the satisfactory solution to social ills. When that premise is accepted, Marxism is conspiracism. In practice, it's all quackery. Under conditions of violent social upheaval, the path to a successor regime has nothing to do with following the logic of progressive social liberation, class egalitarianism, and the fraternity of the popular will of good, decent, idealistic people. Instead, violent "revolution" creates a chaotic condition equivalent to a "jump ball" in basketball- except that there are often more than two teams involved. And the "teams" are small elites or cadres- vanguards, in Leninist parlance. And whichever team is best prepared to throw out the elbows gets to grab the ball...except that, it being the case that there are no referees around, it's more like "whoever is handiest with small-arms weapons tactics." The opportunities created by Violent Revolutionary Chaos are all about Power, not the dawning of a new age of enlightenment.

by **Qutb** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:09 am

Thanks DE. It shouldn't be necessary to out people like that, but sometimes it is useful to know what kinds of agendas are being promoted on this board. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

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