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Re: Neoplatonism

Postby bamabecky » Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:38 pm

"The term 'Neoplatonism' is a modern construction. Plotinus, who is often considered the 'founder' of Neoplatonism, would not have considered himself a "new" Platonist in any sense, but simply an expositor of the doctrines of Plato. That this required him to formulate an entirely new philosophical system would not have been viewed by him as a problem, for it was, in his eyes, precisely what the Platonic doctrine required. "<br><br>snip<br><br>"If we accept Frederick Copleston's description of Neoplatonism as [b<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">]"the intellectualist reply to the ... yearning for personal salvation"</span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->[/b] (Copleston 1962, p. 216) we can already locate the beginning of this reply as far back as the Old Academy, and Neoplatonism would then not have begun with Plotinus. "<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/n/neoplato.htm#H1">www.iep.utm.edu/n/neoplato.htm#H1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Neoplatonism is not a strict read of Plato's Republic. As I read into this "deep philosophical" stuff, It seems to me to be more of a Spiritual philosophy investigating good and evil and the applications for governance of man. <br><br>laRouche's spiritual philosphy ASIDE. I'm still not ready to dis LaRouche. What I see is a man who is offering up economic suggestions, ideas, options for the American public to solve a critical economic crisis. He is too kooky apparently to be a President. I'll give you that. My concern is not his personality, his spirituality, or his philosophy. My concern is for the economic health of America. Do you know of anyone else out there, coming forth with viable solutions to the economic crisis willing to put themselves "out there", raise money, and raise public awareness in an effort to "right the sinking ship"?<br><br>If you do, I want to know who they are so I can listen and learn from them. Anybody?<br>Bama <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=bamabecky>bamabecky</A> at: 9/25/05 12:40 pm<br></i>
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Re: Lyndon LaRouche, Mitch WerBell, and the OSS

Postby Qutb » Sun Sep 25, 2005 2:51 pm

What was the name of the French ex(?)-Larouchie whom Richard Perle brought to a Bush administration meeting? Anyone has a link to that story? The ex-Larouchie had also worked for the AEI or the Rand Corporation I think. He recommended war against Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Egypt... "Iraq is the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia the strategic pivot and Egypt is the prize" I believe were his exact words. Richard Perle later had to distance himself from him, as did the organization (AEI/Rand/another one?) that he had done work for.<br><br>I don't know if it means anything, but the original neocons started out as Trotskyists, just like Larouche.<br><br>That Jewish boy's "suicide" is extremely suspicious and frightening. When you know how extensive and multi-national this network is, you have to wonder what it's really about. I wouldn't have anything to do with them, that's for sure. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: Lyndon LaRouche, Mitch WerBell, and the OSS

Postby dbeach » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:03 pm

we need a Leo sSrauus father of neo-cons thread..LaRouch has been exposing Strauus for ys and many of the current mad men are students of Strauss who ALLEGEDELY sat in his classes at U of Chicago and plotted the overthrow of the US GOVT in the 1970s<br><br>MISSION ACCOMPLISHED <p></p><i></i>
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Leo Strauss

Postby dbeach » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:07 pm

Strausswas scum and so are the neo-cons who worshpped him Many big names including Jack Ashcraft<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/boyle08022003.html">www.counterpunch.org/boyle08022003.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"My Alma Mater is a Moral Cesspool"<br>Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies and the University of Chicago<br>By FRANCIS A. BOYLE<br>Professor of Law, University of Illinois School of Law<br><br>"It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of September 11, 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli "Neoconservative" Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda . But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-cons in the Bush Jr. administration.<br><br>These pro-Israeli Neo-cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss, who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in their Department of Political Science. The best expose of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor Shadia B. Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (198<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> ; Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protege, co-author, and literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process by Chicago's Straussian cabal.<br><br>Chicago routinely trained me and numerous other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. The University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967. Many of his "lawyers" at the Department of Injustice are members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, and totalitarian Federalist Society (aka "Feddies"), which originated in part at the University of Chicago"<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Larouche on gays and AIDS

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:29 pm

<br>         <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>"... But if you could pass a law, pass a reform and so forth, it would mean nothing, absolutely nothing. If the cultural paradigm which currently prevails in Washington, in the political process, existed, you could pass any law in name; the implementation will be conducted by the State Department and other agencies, according to the existing cultural paradigm. If you cannot change the cultural paradigm which presently prevails in the United States, if you cannot change the philosophical outlook among the majority of Americans; you can't do anything very good; and everything you accomplish is worthless-your life will be worthless, as the life of all others. Yours will be a little better than worthless because you tried.<br><br>"But we must have a change in the cultural paradigms, in the United States. There is a function I have laid out in the case of the AIDS problem: Yes, we must destroy AIDS. It's . going to destroy everybody otherwise; we've got to contain it, we can't find a miracle cure that fast; we're going to have to use methods of public health, which means <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>we're going to have to put away every carrier until they can no longer carry</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->; and if you won't do that, you don't care about your neighbor or your children. If you do that with tuberculosis, how much more must you do it with this, which is a disease which is 100% fatal to all infected? No cure--you die like a poor Iceland sheep. You die in 5 years-maybe earlier-you die in 5 years of pneumonia; or you die in about 10 years or so, as your central nervous system just turns into a pile of garbage. You die because your central nervous system has totally broken down. We have to fight this disease. You have to go to public-health measures, if we have to bum the GayCLU to do it!<br><br>"But: What is it worth to fight AIDS, if there are no human beings to survive that victory? What if the human race is turned into a pile of moral garbage, unfit to be saved? What's the advantage of fighting AIDS then? It's sort of God's mercy-killing, or Soviet agents' mercy-killing, who think they're God.<br><br>"We have another purpose in fighting AIDS, for our fighting AIDS--for our inducing people to do what they should have done anyway without our speaking a word. Government agencies should have done this. There should be no issue! But government agencies didn't! That's the issue. Why didn't they? Because of a cultural paradigm shift. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>They did not want, on the one hand, to estrange the votes of a bunch of faggots and cocaine sniffers, the organized gay lobby, as it's called in the United States. (I don't know why they're "gay," they're the most miserable creatures I ever saw!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> The socalled gay lobby, 8% of the population, the adult electorate; the drug users. There are 20 million cocaine sniffers in the United States, at least. Of course it does affect their mind; it affects the way they vote! It also, I think, affects their employability. They ought to be taxed 100% of their income, on the basis of not having earned it, and on the basis of the fact that we need the money to fight the effects of their habit.<br><br>"But the issue, the deeper issue, is that the government and the people, the general electorate, in terms of the political machines of this country, have no morality. Here is a question, which was settled in the middle of the 14th century and afterward -- the question of public sanitation on issues of epidemic and pandemic disease. Every government in the world is well-informed of that and the penalties of not invoking that policy. We have statutes on the books of the federal government, on the state and local level throughout the country, on this matter. The decision to be made on AIDS should have been automatic. Anybody who did not make that decision acted in defiance of the law, and should be accountable for any person infected! That is, if you're infected, if a member of your family dies of AIDS or is infected with AIDS, you should be able to sue members of the federal government, personally, for millions of dollars in each case -- damages! Because it was their negligence, willful negligence, in defiance of statutes, which caused this; not the law -- the law was fine! If they had followed the law, your friend wouldn't have been infected with AIDS.<br><br>"Where did this nonsense come from? Oh, we don’t want to offend the gays! Gays are sensitive to their civil rights; this will lead to discrimination against gays!<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>"They’re already beating up gays with baseball bats around the country! Children are going to playgrounds, they go in with baseball bats, and they find one of these gays there, pederasts, trying to recruit children, and they take their baseball bats and they beat them up pretty bad. They’ll kill one sooner or later. In Chicago, they’re beating up gays that are hanging around certain schools, pederasts; children go out with baseball bats and beat them up—which is perfectly moral; they have the civil right to do that! It’s a matter of children’s civil rights!"</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., “The End of the Age of Aquarius?" EIR (Executive Intelligence Review), January 10, 1986, p. 40.<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"The lynchers…are a special variety of political revolutionary, and express, spontaneously, the conspiratorial and other ethical characteristics of political revolutionaries….<br><br>"Since the idea of touching the person of the (AIDS) carrier is abhorrent, stones and the nadiest approximation of a collection of baseball bats, come to mind. Certain individuals, of known haunts, first suggest themselves as easy targets. (editorial note...12 years later and he's still fond of baseball bats. Come on, guys. See this guy for what he is.)</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>"The point is fast approaching, that increasing portions of these populations will focus upon the fact, that a dead AIDS carrier ceases to be a carrier. If governments were to proceed with repeated mass-screenings of the population, and isolation of carriers, the likelihood of a teenager lynch-mob phenomenon would be small. If not, then other ways of reducing the number of carriers will become increasingly popular.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"In that case, the lynch-mobs might be seen by later generations’ historians, as the only political force which acted to save the human species from extinction."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br> Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr., “Teenage Gangs’ Lynchings of Gays is Foreseen Soon,” New Solidarity, February 9, 1987, p. 8.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>These are from PRA, but you can go to this site to see the images of the pages. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/context_quotes.html#gays">www.publiceye.org/larouch....html#gays</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It has these quotes and then links to various scans of the documents they came from.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Larouche on Judaism

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:38 pm

I'm afraid these quotes are sourced but the originals do not appear on the website. However, I think you'll see a certain consistency here.<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br> "Although A.D. Judaism is an outgrowth of the development of<br> Christianity there was a preceding Hebrew faith OF SORTS [emphasis in<br> the original].The earlier, Hebrew doctrine is itself a syncretic<br> hodge-podge of chiefly Mesopotamian legends. [Rabbi] Ezra"s Persian<br> version of Hebrewism was, in turn, significantly influenced by an<br> earlier, pre-Pentateuch version created in conformity with Babylonian<br> edicts."<br><br> <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> "From Ezra onwards, and even before, Hebrewism was an assimilationist<br> doctrine developed to provide special juridical status (and<br> ideological self-image) for a caste of merchant-userers within a pre-<br> capitalist society."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> (notice, please, the use of "userer" as a synonym for Jews.)<br><br> "Judaism is not a true religion, but only a half-religion, a curious<br> appendage and sub-species of Christianity."<br><br> "Judaism is ideological abstraction of the secular life of<br> Christianity's Jew, the Roman merchant-userer who <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>had not yet evolved to the state of Papal enlightenment</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, a half-Christian, who had not developed a Christian conscience."<br><br> "Judaism is the religion of a caste of subjects of Christianity,<br> entirely molded by ingenious rabbis to fit into the ideological and<br> secular life of Christianity. In short, a self- sustaining Judaism<br> never existed and never could exist. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>As for Jewish culture otherwise,<br> it is merely the residue left to the Jewish home after everything<br> saleable has been marketed to the Goyim."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.publiceye.org/larouche/more_quotes.html">www.publiceye.org/larouch...uotes.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Australians complain of coercion, brainwashing

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:52 pm

Reprinted at Rick Ross's site. I don't know much about Ross, but I use his site because he usually just posts lots of articles.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.rickross.com/reference/larouche/larouche12.html">www.rickross.com/referenc...che12.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Families fight back<br>The Age/January 30, 1996<br>By Martin Daly<br><br>Defectors tell of "psycho sessions" and relentless demand for cash inside the Citizens Electoral Council. A political group accused of dirty tricks and the brainwashing of recruits faces increasing hostility. Martin Daly reports.<br><br>A Melbourne woman has appealed to the American consulate to prevent her 16-year-old son from being taken to the United States for training with an extremist right-wing political cult, run by a convicted criminal, Lyndon LaRouche.<br><br>Ms. Narelle Stratford, of Rosanna, contacted the consulate after Mr. LaRouche's Australian branch, the Coburg-based Citizens Electoral Council, refused her plea not to take her son overseas.<br><br>Critics have accused the LaRouche movement of brainwashing followers in Australia, persuading donors to contribute money on the basis that the financial world is about to end, and running "dirty tricks" campaigns against its enemies, notably leading Australian Jews.<br><br>The CEC was formed in 1988 in Kingaroy, Queensland, in response to the rural crisis when many farmers were in danger of losing their farms. It became a successful grass-roots political organization with about 100 branches around the country, mostly in rural areas, but within a few years it was taken over by American LaRouchians and their Australian followers.<br><br>Since then, the CEC has been criticized for allegedly abusing its position as a political party and for discarding members and donors once they have contributed funds to the organization.<br><br>The CEC denies the allegations and blames former members for spreading "lies" in an attempt to destroy the CEC and Lyndon LaRouche in Australia.<br><br>But Ms. Stratford, one of a number of Australians to split from the CEC, said she was alarmed by the allegations. She also feared her son would be put through a LaRouchian "Cadre School" in the US, which she described as a brainwashing session to bind followers to the organization.<br><br>Ms. Stratford said the US consulate in Melbourne told her it could not stop her son, who has a visa, from going to the US. The CEC said Ms Stratford's son, a CEC employee, was capable of making the decision for himself and that he wanted to go to the US.<br><br>"I know of no other employer that would pull this sort of stunt without asking the parent first," Ms Stratford said.<br><br>"And if the parents said they did not want that to happen, it would not happen."<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>Former CEC members said the organization, often under the direction of a LaRouchian, Mr. Allen Douglas, from Leesburg, Virginia, held frequent cult-like "psycho sessions," during which members were abused and told they must accept their crimes - including masturbation, sodomy and homosexuality - if they were to be cured.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Motherhood and the influence of women over offspring was often derided. Women were frequently referred to as "witches."<br><br>One founding CEC member, Mr. John Koheler, of Kingaroy - who resigned after the LaRouchians "hijacked" the organization - said the CEC responded to his opposition to the Americans by telling him he was "blocked" and "paranoid."<br><br>"I told Al Douglas that he was a fascist bastard and then they said I was doubly paranoid," Mr. Koheler said.<br><br>Mrs. Rhonda Rotaru, of Colac, wife of Mr. Alex Rotaru, who said he was an "intelligence" officer for the CEC, also went through a "psycho session" because she refused to move to Melbourne with her husband. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mrs. Rotaru said she was criticized for breastfeeding her son at two years of age. "I always thought breastfeeding was just a natural part of womanhood," she said. "They said it was bad for a young child to be so dependent on its mother and that I would ruin his life. They made me feel as if I was the worst person in the world."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Mrs. Rotaru said the CEC tried to break her marriage. Her husband said he was called an "animal" during a "psycho session" and was asked if would leave his wife and children to live nearer the CEC in Melbourne.<br><br>"They inquired into my relationship with my mother," he said. "That was pretty much standard procedure. It was an interrogation. The whole aim was to create a new person, making your past totally irrelevant and giving you a new personality. "No matter what you said, it was your mother's fault. It was pretty hideous stuff. Many people broke down and cried."<br><br>Mr. Rotaru said the CEC gave him the cold shoulder because he refused to give them part of his $100,000 superannuation payout from Telstra. Then, he said, they asked him to mortgage his Melbourne house to finance a trip to Australia by a senior LaRouchian, Mr. James Bevel, a former confidant of the late Martin Luther King. His wife refused to allow it.<br><br>A former Queensland sheep farmer, Ms. Julie Warner, accused the CEC of contributing to the breakup of her marriage, which led to the loss of her three sons in a separation case. She said she was virtually forced to remain in the US, fund-raising on the telephone for the organization, while the LaRouchians worked on her to wipe out her "mother complex" mindset.<br><br>"They would tell you there was something wrong with your mind, if you are not pulling huge dollars in," said Ms. Warner, who blamed CEC "brainwashing" for bringing her close to suicide.<br><br>Ms. Warner said she worked in the ``boiler room" - a fund- raising room with a bank of telephones - in Melbourne where she persuaded donors she knew to give the CEC about $60,000.<br><br>"I believed that we were out there to help people who had got into trouble in primary industry and here they were taking all their money and leaving them," Ms. Warner said.<br><br>She said the CEC encouraged her to leave her family: "They wanted to know how much money I would be getting from the property if the marriage broke up."<br><br>A farmer, Mr. Joe Vella, of Kingaroy, Queensland, said he sold almost $1 million in assets to clear debts and give his wife, a CEC member, her share of the family farm. He feared she may have given a lot of the money to the CEC.<br><br>Mr. Vella came into contact with the CEC after attending a meeting in Kingaroy. "We are in financial trouble. They made us think they were going to save us and get the interest rates dropped...," he said.<br><br>He said the CEC's Mr. Michael Sharp, alias Michael Stark, stayed at the Vella home for seven nights. "All we ever did was give him money. It was about three years ago. He used to say, 'We can't pay this bill.' We probably gave him $2,000 in cash. Never got a receipt." He recalled the CEC instructing people not to watch television "because the cartels would get us."<br><br>"They are a horrible bunch of people," added Mr. Vella, who flew to Melbourne three times to try and persuade his wife to return. "When I first flew to Melbourne, I could only talk to her sitting on the fence outside (the CEC office).<br><br>"Later she agreed to talk to him in a bar, but only in the company of another CEC member. "What really hurt me was that (the CEC member) said 'you and your children have a sickness of the mind which you have inherited from your father.' I got up and punched a brick wall and then went outside and sat in the gutter for a while."<br><br>Mr. Victor Barwick, one of three sons of Queensland farming couple Doreen and Billy Barwick to join the CEC, said he went through "psycho-sessions" in Melbourne and in the US. He said Al Douglas told him he was having a "psycho-sexual relationship with my mother. I was only 17 at the time", Mr. Barwick said.<br><br>Mr. Barwick said that on a trip to the US, Mr. LaRouche told him there "was a dark age coming, that learning would be done away with and that most people would be slaves." Mr. Barwick was paid $200 a week by the CEC for fundraising up to 12 hours a day, six days a week.<br><br>One of the primary aims of the CEC is to raise money. It has raised $900,000 for each of the past two years and is one of the largest political fundraisers in the country, although the CEC has been deregistered as a political party.<br><br>The relentless demand for cash from donors comes from "Upgrade Teams" that travel Australia to persuade donors to increase contributions. Fundraisers are often trained by American LaRouchians who travel here on tourist or business visas.<br><br>Mr. Victor Barwick said teams in the "boiler room" sell subscriptions to La Rouche and CEC publications for up to $600 a year.<br><br>"I think they rip people off," Mr. Koehler said. "It (the CEC) is immoral and corrupt...they frequently do not use the funds for the purpose they are raised for. It should not go into some kind of a slush fund. Obviously it does...a considerable amount does. The public needs to know that this operation is not in the interests of this country and they should not support it."<br><br>Donors have told The Age they were encouraged to go into debt without telling their spouses so they could give money to the CEC. One woman said her husband had given the CEC about $80,000. "They (the CEC) do use members like puppets. I am trying to get my husband out of it," she said.<br><br>Ms. Kerrie Watterson, from Cranbrook, north of Albany, Western Australia, said she was persuaded by a CEC member to get a Bankcard so she could quickly donate money to the CEC if they needed it for an emergency.<br><br>"Against my better judgment, I got a Bankcard," said Mrs. Watterson, who was then persuaded to use her maximum credit line to donate to the CEC. "Overall, they did me for about $1,600."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Larouche financial holdings, brags of CIA meetings

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:01 pm

This is from the Washington Post. Okay, we've already been over that. I'm merely quoting the stuff that is about financial holdings...easily verifiable by public records. Also, quoting Larouches' boast that he meets with the CIA regularly.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/larouche/larou3.htm">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...larou3.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> f you look between the trees along Rte. 704 in rural Loudoun County one weekend day, you might see the men in camouflage fatigues going through their drills, local residents say.<br><br>Neighbors say they have grown accustomed to the groups of men with semiautomatic weapons rushing across the rolling fields of the Woodburn Estate outside Leesburg. On a recent Saturday, a resident said, he heard what he thought was shooting from the old estate. "It sounded like light mortar," the neighbor said. "A sort of a 'kapook.' "<br><br>The people who stay at the Woodburn Estate say there are no mortar emplacements on the premises. But they say guards there carry an array of handguns -- Colt Combat Commanders, Walther PPKs, MAC10s -- and other armaments. There are sandbag-buttressed guard posts near the estate's 13-room Georgian mansion, cement barriers along the road and sharp metal spikes in the driveway.<br><br>The heavy security is for Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr. LaRouche, who lives on the estate, is a perennial right-wing presidential candidate who is convinced he is in imminent danger of assassination by hit teams dispatched by the Libyans, the Soviets or narcotics pushers.<br><br>In part because LaRouche says he finds the Loudoun countryside safe, he and his associates are moving into the area in a big way. LaRouche's associates have bought three properties in the county worth a total of more than $1 million, and they agreed to buy another for $1.3 million until the deal fell through. <br><br><snip><br><br> <br>L<br><br> Loudoun Newcomer Lives<br> On Heavily Guarded Estate<br><br>By John Mintz<br>Washington Post Staff Writer<br>January 13, 1985<br><br>f you look between the trees along Rte. 704 in rural Loudoun County one weekend day, you might see the men in camouflage fatigues going through their drills, local residents say.<br><br>Neighbors say they have grown accustomed to the groups of men with semiautomatic weapons rushing across the rolling fields of the Woodburn Estate outside Leesburg. On a recent Saturday, a resident said, he heard what he thought was shooting from the old estate. "It sounded like light mortar," the neighbor said. "A sort of a 'kapook.' "<br><br>The people who stay at the Woodburn Estate say there are no mortar emplacements on the premises. But they say guards there carry an array of handguns -- Colt Combat Commanders, Walther PPKs, MAC10s -- and other armaments. There are sandbag-buttressed guard posts near the estate's 13-room Georgian mansion, cement barriers along the road and sharp metal spikes in the driveway.<br><br>The heavy security is for Lyndon H. LaRouche Jr. LaRouche, who lives on the estate, is a perennial right-wing presidential candidate who is convinced he is in imminent danger of assassination by hit teams dispatched by the Libyans, the Soviets or narcotics pushers.<br><br>In part because LaRouche says he finds the Loudoun countryside safe, he and his associates are moving into the area in a big way. LaRouche's associates have bought three properties in the county worth a total of more than $1 million, and they agreed to buy another for $1.3 million until the deal fell through.<br><br>LaRouche, 62, is the leader of a tightly knit worldwide organization known for its shifting ideological stances and apocalyptic rhetoric, according to interviews with former associates of LaRouche, numerous individuals familiar with the group, and government and law enforcement officials, as well as an examination of the group's internal documents and publicly distributed literature.<br><br>LaRouche's group blames many of the world's ills on plots by the Soviet secret police, the queen of England, "the dope lobby," Jewish organizations and other groups it considers to be its enemies, the organization's literature shows. The group has 500 to 1,000 members, former associates of LaRouche say.<br><br>The group, which started as a left-wing socialist sect in the 1960s but which turned to the right in the 1970s, has espoused an ideology that some Jewish groups say is anti-Semitic. Its philosophy is a mishmash, but the main thrust is that LaRouche and his followers are virtually the only force on Earth able to stop nuclear war and world starvation.<br><br>The organization supports itself financially through a variety of means, including sales of its literature and intelligence-gathering for corporations and individuals, said LaRouche and some associates. He gets public funds as well -- LaRouche's recent presidential campaign received $494,000 in federal matching funds, federal records said.<br><br>So far, in addition to renting the Woodburn property, corporations operated by LaRouche's associates have bought three properties in Loudoun for $1,048,000. At this point, about 25 of LaRouche's associates have joined LaRouche and his wife, Helga Zepp-LaRouche, in the Leesburg area, sources said.<br><br>The group also has decided to move many operations of its national headquarters from Manhattan to Loudoun, say people familiar with the group. As many as 200 LaRouche followers are expected to move there to work in a new printing plant and office complex the group is building in a Leesburg industrial park, according to former members of the group and a Loudoun County official.<br><br>In this historic region, where monuments pay tribute to Gen. Robert E. Lee's Confederacy and farms stay in the hands of families for seven generations, residents are greeting LaRouche with intense curiosity. They do not know how to react to him, and some are afraid.<br><br>"We feel if we rock the boat, they could get nasty with us," said one county resident who has dealt with LaRouche's associates but who, like most of the dozen or so local people interviewed, does not want to be identified. "We have to coexist with them, but we don't agree with their political beliefs."<br><br>To Leesburg Police Chief James Kidwell, Lyndon LaRouche's entry into Loudoun County is shaping up as a clash of cultures.<br><br>"Out here are more country people," Kidwell said. "It's a different world they're in. They'll learn as they go along. The things they're interested in, the country people aren't interested in."<br><br>Indeed, LaRouche and his group seem strikingly out of character in a variety of ways in slow-paced, neighborly Loudoun.<br><br>According to former members of LaRouche's organization and other individuals familiar with its operation, group members follow LaRouche's dictates almost without question. Members of the group -- which is known as the National Caucus of Labor Committees but which also operates through a number of other groups -- generally are discouraged from maintaining personal relationships with people outside the group, said ex-associates and others knowledgeable about the group.<br><br>Members of the organization also have harassed some of its critics and journalists who have researched it, the same sources said.<br><br>LaRouche denies that he is a cult leader or that his associates harass anyone. In a U.S. District Court trial in November in Alexandria, he also denied that he plays a leadership role in any of the organizations identified with him. In the trial, LaRouche lost a libel suit against NBC, and the network was awarded a $3 million judgment against LaRouche for his group's attempt to sabotage a network interview. He is appealing the verdict.<br><br>Loudoun residents say they know almost nothing about their new neighbor. Many express puzzlement over LaRouche's statements in court that he is almost penniless (despite his extensive world travels and well-to-do life style at Woodburn), and his assertion that he cannot pay NBC the $3 million.<br><br>Several residents said they also were perplexed by LaRouche's half-hour televised presidential advertisements in the weeks before the Nov. 6 election. LaRouche said, among other things, that Democrat Walter F. Mondale was an "agent of influence" of the Soviet secret police, the KGB.<br><br>'A Complete Blank'<br>"Nobody really knows what his work is or what his motives are," a Loudoun native said of LaRouche. "It's a complete blank."<br><br>"I feel Mr. LaRouche has long ago fallen off the deep end," said Frank Raflo, a Loudoun supervisor who said he drew his conclusion in part from one of LaRouche's television advertisements. Raflo said that LaRouche and Loudoun locals have been getting along "peaches and cream, nicey nicey," but that behind the scene, "I think he's being received with nervous laughter."<br><br>Other residents say they fear that Leesburg is headed for the same fate that befell rural Antelope, Ore., where hundreds of followers of Indian guru Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh moved in and took over the town. But LaRouche has only a fraction as many followers as the Bhagwan, and LaRouche and his associates say they want to live in harmony with Loudoun locals.<br><br>But LaRouche acknowledges that his presence may cause a stir.<br><br>"There's going to be controversy, 'What's this ogre doing in Leesburg?' " said LaRouche in a November interview at a bookstore his associates opened in the town. "They can find out by coming here and getting one of my books."<br><br>Most residents acknowledge they have never seen LaRouche. The only encounter most residents have had is seeing the security guard at Woodburn's fortified entrance, who calls in reinforcements by walkie-talkie when motorists pull over for a look. Others have spotted the group's caravan of cars moving down the highway in tight formation.<br><br>Generally, the only people in the area who have dealt with the "LaRouchians" -- as they're called by journalists and researchers who follow their activities -- are Loudoun lawyers, real estate agents, contractors and other professionals.<br><br>"They are some of the nicest people I've ever dealt with," said one Loudoun man who has met several of them. "They're intelligent, well educated, pleasant." But most locals try not to discuss politics with them, the man said. "People keep their distance from that . . . . LaRouche is a hot topic up here."<br><br>Local officials say LaRouche is presenting them with a quandary. They have tried for years to attract investment to the county, but some say they are not sure this is the kind they had in mind. One concerned Leesburg official, who requested anonymity, said the town could not legally bar LaRouche even if it wanted to. "I don't know what a community does in a case like this," the official said.<br><br>LaRouche started his move into Loudoun in August 1983, when he, his wife and others moved into an approximately 25-acre section of the Woodburn Estate that includes the large brick manor house and two other homes. The property, and several hundred more acres leased by farmers, is owned by a Swiss-based company.<br><br>In the last several months, corporations associated with the LaRouche group have bought three other properties in the county.<br><br>In June they bought a 9.8-acre tract in a Leesburg industrial park. The seller, Dudley C. Webb Jr., said he and his family were paid the full $373,000 at the property closing. The new owner, Lafayette/Leesburg Ltd. Partnership, is developing a 60,000-square-foot printing plant and office complex on the site, said Mark Nelis, Leesburg's zoning administrator.<br><br>The company's two trustees are Edward Spannaus and J.S. Morrison, according to a deed on file at the Loudoun County Courthouse. Spannaus is a top LaRouche aide, and Morrison is a LaRouche supporter from New Jersey.<br><br>Nelis said that representatives of the company told him that construction of the complex is expected to cost $3.1 million.<br><br>Nelis said that the company's representatives told town officials that the new plant would employ about 200 people, many of whom would be moving from New York. Loudoun real estate brokers are already receiving telephone calls from editorial employes of LaRouche-affiliated publications in New York asking for housing advice, Nelis said. <br><br><snip><br><br>n July, a LaRouche-affiliated company called Publication Equities Inc. agreed to pay $400,000 for a 64-acre property in the county's rural Neersville area, near Harpers Ferry, W.Va. The company's only director is Spannaus, according to an incorporation document filed at the Loudoun County Courthouse.<br><br>In September, Publication Equities agreed to buy a storefront in downtown Leesburg for $275,000 and quickly renovated it into an upscale bookstore, Ben Franklin Booksellers. The owners say they plan to build a domed room on top for a "cultural center."<br><br>In addition, last fall Spannaus signed a contract to buy a 171-acre estate outside Leesburg for $1.3 million, according to documents on file in Loudoun Circuit Court. The estate includes a 14-room manor house with eight fireplaces, plus three other houses and numerous other buildings.<br><br>But a legal snag developed. One of the sellers, an elderly District of Columbia resident, is legally incompetent, and any sale would have required approval of a judge. The sellers' lawyer, George Schweitzer, said in court documents that he was "not totally satisfied" with the buyer's financial condition. A source said that the reason was that the LaRouche associates would not supply the financial statement thought to be necessary to get court approval.<br><br>Charles Ottinger, Publication Equities' Leesburg lawyer, said Spannaus then told him that he had agreed to have someone else take over his right to buy the estate. The new buyer, multimillionaire Oklahoma oilman David Nick Anderson, also agreed to buy the property for $1.3 million, but under slightly different terms, according to court documents.<br><br>Anderson donated $1,000 to LaRouche's presidential campaign last February, according to documents on file at the Federal Election Commission. Despite repeated telephone messages left for him, Anderson could not be reached for comment about his plans for the property. <br><br><snip><br><br> LaRouche said in an interview that he enjoys Leesburg because it gives him a shorter commute to Washington, where he said he frequently has meetings. LaRouche said he and his associates have been meeting for several years with officials in federal agencies, including the Central Intelligence Agency. (Note, this is in '86. At that time, Larouche said it was the KGB out to get him...since then it has turned into Bush and the CIA out to get him. Poor guy can't win...though he doesn't seem to be hurting for cash.)<br><br><snip><br><br> LaRouche said that he is pampered by his Woodburn associates, who cook and clean for him while he works in his office an average of 15 hours a day. Every morning he awakens to get intelligence briefings about world events from his associates, and he reads a report of up to 400 pages telexed from the group's worldwide offices, he said.<br><br>(Final note...again acknowledging the source of this article...up until Bush 1 came into office, Larouche used to brag of his connections to the Reagan administration, especially in terms of pushing SDI research. Other sources suggest that he used his vast intelligence network to provide information to the CIA. )<br><br><snip><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dreamsend@rigorousintuition>Dreams End</A> at: 9/26/05 12:02 am<br></i>
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Re: Larouche on Judaism, Gays and AIDS

Postby bamabecky » Sun Sep 25, 2005 7:10 pm

Well that did it for me. You have helped me see what a fanatic he really is. His quotes amount to diarrhea of the mouth. I want to thank you for all the effort, Dreams End, that you put into this to help "me especially" gain insight into his lack of character. And I can see how his views would turn large segments of the population against ANYTHING brilliant he might have to offer us in a crisis. He comes across in those quotes as a pompous ass. I'm real fair-minded, all around, when it comes to blacks, gays, Jews, diseases. I would not be able to tolerate his line of thinking. I stand enlightened DE, thank you!<br>Bama<br> <p></p><i></i>
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!! Ah, THAT's the horrible Larouche you were warning of!

Postby Watchful Citizen » Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:05 pm

OK, that's not just cranky or eccentric. That is truly fucked up shit. That is bigoted homophobic violent fascist bullshit, not to get technical...<br><br>I didn't mean to defend Larouche the man originally anyway. I was trying to point at the information that's there in EIR and some of his historical rants.<br><br>Sorry to have even done that with his anti-semitic and homophobic rants brought to light by DE. Thanks for the info!<br><br>But, dammit, like the woman-beating Miles Davis, there is still good info. I put a post under Jeff's article today about the value of Ramsey Clark and ANSWER in the peace movement despite the possible COINTELPRO poison-pill of socialism and the Israel-Palestine issue.<br><br>At yesterday's peace march I found a Larouche pamphlet and picked it up to see first hand what was in the Larouche organization printing without a CIA filter like the Washington Post telling me.<br><br>Looks like if the organization could get rid of Larouche the man, it would be much better for it.<br>(repeating from my comment in Jeff's article today)-<br><br>...His organization is focused on the neocons, Cheney, Bush Crime Family, and the cryptocracy.<br><br>And the information coming out of EIR looks solid to me.<br><br>Yesterday I joined thousands of anti-war protesters in SF. In the debris on the ground was a current Larouche pamphlet which I picked up since Dream's End just went off like a bomb on me when I posted an internet article on 9/11 of Larouche's and now I REALLY want to see what Dream's End is so volatile about!<br><br>(No, I'm not a Larouchie. Too many anti-Jew flavored comments.)<br><br>Well, here's what 's in it.<br>This Larouche pamphlet reads exactly like the Rigorous Intuition website with psy-ops warfare articles about:<br><br>1) Aquino+Vallely's 'MindWar' essay for the Pentagon.<br>2) Generals Stubblebine, Schoomaker, Downing, and Boykin.<br>3) Lt. Cl. Channon's 'First Earth Battalion' essay.<br>4) Wolfowitz and non-lethal warfare<br>5) Gitmo and Abu-Ghraib and SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape) military training and research.<br>6) Pentagon training of 9/11 suspects.<br>7) EIR interview with Genl. (retired) Paul Vallely about Iran.<br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Satanic Subversion of the US military-Aquino, Franklin cover-ip/Bonacci, Gosch, Presidio day-care scandal etc.<br>9) Operation Northwoods false -flag terror plot to invade Cuba in 1962<br>10) A Larouche-written essay and a Larouche interview.<br><br>Reads almost EXACTLY like Rigorous Intuition, doesn't it?<br><br>So you can focus on forty year-old failures or you can focus on who the mass-murderers are today.<br><br>Ramsey Clark and Lyndon Larouche, for all we can fault them with, are fighting fascism.<br><br>Do you really want to impede that effort by focusing on personal gotcha flaws that 'might be COINTELPRO' but is an indictment of mass murder? I say think Bigger Picture. Lives are at stake.<br><br>>snip<<br><br>(After seeing more stuff DE found, yes, Larouche is way too flawed. Just get back-up on any info from EIR but leave him out of the discussion.)<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Why does it matter to RI

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 25, 2005 9:41 pm

Watchful, you anticipated my next post... Why does it matter to RI?<br><br>Although I've kept an eye on Larouche info after having been followed around by one of their spies in Mexico, I hadn't really thought much about him till I started getting on this board. But I noticed that for most of the "conspiracies" I was interested in and considered valid interpretations of events (and still do...so don't take this wrong) I'd find Larouche at the heart.<br><br>Your list of his stuff in the pamphlet is an example. First off, you don't need Larouche to find out this stuff. Secondly, some of it is just misrepresentation (I've posted elsewhere how the article about Aquino's psyops paper does not back up what it says with the actual paper, though Aquino stays at the top of my list of people not to be caught alone with if you know what's good for you). But most importantly, the Larouche group contaminates the whole field...I think on purpose. My most immediate concern was how Franklin Cover-up author and former state senator DeCamp started working with Chaitkin. This made me nervous as I already had some concerns that he might have been leading some of these victims to embellish their story (can't prove that, and open to being wrong about that, just a suspicion). Here are some ways to think about all this:<br><br>1. Larouche is a genius who is the sole person capable of preventing the upcoming destruction of much of the world. I obviously reject this view. Larouche and his adherents profess this view rather openly. <br><br>2. Larouche and company have good research and a very good intelligence network (this is actually true...I don't deny this.) and the extra spin they put on things is just a result of their idiosyncratic beliefs and is harmless. I think this has been the position of many here at RI.<br><br>3. Larouche and company have good research and intelligence skills but are intentionally distorting things with disinfo, but primarily just to get followers. Without their particular spin, there's no need to join the Lyndon Larouch Youth Movement. I think there is some merit in this view.<br><br>4. Larouche and company have good research and intelligence skills but intentionally distort things in ways that serve the power structure or a nazi component thereof. I think this is the probably what's going on here. Larouche is too hooked up just to be a lone crank. he also has too much capital for someone whom the establishment is allegedly out to destroy. <br><br>How does this work? RI proves that there are other people doing the type of research that Larouche does. So if it's going to come out anyway, why not put it out there in a way that works to the advantage of those who might be exposed? For example, if we are given lots of "inside info" that more or less checks out but then told that the entire plot is not the natural result of how our own governmental and economic system has been rigged against most of us from the beginning, but rather a smaller, "rogue" force of elites who run counter to the American Way, whether located within the government (Christic) or without the government (Larouche, Rivero etc.) then the true power structure is protected. The plan does not rely on those outsiders being Jews but for a variety of reasons, they make ideal candidates for this role. <br><br>I think the whole ANSWER/Ramsey Clark thing is similar...though I don't know if Ramsey knows this or not, and surely most WWP members do not. <br>THis is also true of the New Alliance party, though they continued, up until taking over the Reform Party, to couch their philosophy in progressive language (though some of their anti-gay stuff, very similar to Larouche, did manage to make it out into the public, from what I remember.)<br><br>Consider the Scientologists. It's hard to research Psychiatric drugs without running into one of their sites. <br><br>All of these are well funded and all (save PERHAPS ANSWER) utilize very similar techniques in getting their members to follow their program. Use of sexual ridicule, long and tiresome education sessions, constant activity, overwork, pressure not to contact family, outright intimidation and threats, etc. The NAP has the added benefit of funding themselves through a series of mental health clinics from which the number one prescribed therapy is working for the party (or this used to be the case.)<br><br>Another group I would add to this list is somewhat unique in that they didn't seem to have a public political program but were actually centered around gathering intelligence. That would be the Finders, led by a former Airforce intel man of the same generation as Clark, Larouche, Newman and Hubbard. See the Data Dump if you don't know about them.<br><br>Unfortunately, I don't see these organizations as purely about disinfo. We know the Finders, for example, had strong evidence in their offices of trafficking in children and almost certainly had connections to the CIA (they claimed to and it seems very likely.) I can't say that the Newmanites (Fred Newman founded New Alliance party) TRAFFICS in children but they run a series of children's centers. One of these centers performed some skits for some conference I went to and I could interest no one in the background. Here's their official website, but they are off topic for the current discussion. Check it out....sure looks legit, doesn't it? Take another thread to show why it's not: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.allstars.org/aboutus/index.html">www.allstars.org/aboutus/index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>We also know, primarily by their own reports, that Larouche, Scientology and the Finders spend much of their time gathering intelligence on "enemies." That could also be of great help to the PTB. <br><br>Finally, they are often disruptive and will infiltrate other groups. Larouchians have done this, but the true masters of this are the Newmanites. If you've never worked in a coalition that has been infiltrated by those whose mission it is to disrupt and get everyone turned against each other, you don't know how challenging this can be. I can tell you a lot of things about how NOT to deal with it, from my own sad experiences.<br><br>Anyway, see the above article about the 60,000 square foot publishing facility the Larouchians have purchased. Whatever their agenda, they certainly have the resources to get it out there. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Here's Makow, following Larouche

Postby Dreams End » Sun Sep 25, 2005 10:08 pm

Central to Larouche and Makow is the idea that culture is "decadent". This phrase alone evokes images of stern nazi's burning books. Here is Makow, quoting Minnichino from the Larouche "Schiller Institute" on how culture doesn't just degenerate...it is intentionally degraded by the elites, who have a program to subvert the true order, which is, of course one of Christian values. Who are these elites? Do you even have to ask?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>The Fraudulent Basis<br>Of Modern Kulture<br>Killing Us Slowly<br>By Henry Makow PhD<br>9-25-5<br> <br><br>There should be a POISON symbol over the doors of our universities, cinemas and art galleries. There should be a similar warning on our TV, music and videos.<br> <br>In the 1920s, leaders of the Communist International decided that Western society was too strong to conquer. It was necessary to weaken it by subverting its cultural institutions--family, education, religion, art, mass media and government.<br> <br>They have largely succeeded. While maintaining these institutions in their familiar format, they have subtly changed the content. It's like lacing a bottle of aspirin with arsenic. The purpose is to gradually poison, paralyze and eventually destroy us.<br> <br>We are noticing that our political and cultural leaders are mostly cowards, dupes, traitors, crooks, opportunists and impostors rewarded for how much harm they can do.<br> <br>Our failure to combat Communism is due to a misunderstanding of its true nature. We imagine it is a discredited movement, once based in the USSR and China devoted to social justice, equality and public ownership. Millions of idealists, including myself, were duped.<br> <br>In fact, Communism is an international phenomenon that invaded Russia and China. It is the creation of a satanic cult (the Illuminati) formed in 1776 by <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>international bankers</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. It is designed to put all the world's wealth in their hands, and to eventually reduce and enslave the human race. The five-pointed Red Star is symbol of both Communism and Satan-worship. A demonic virus, Communism has morphed into countless forms (i.e. fe-manism) and is hoodwinking more people than ever. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.savethemales.ca/000180.html">www.savethemales.ca/000180.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br>Western Civilization is built on Christianity, the premise that God is real, in fact the ultimate and only permanent Reality, a spiritual one. Through man's Divine soul, the ordinary individual can discern the Divine Will without mediation from a worldly authority. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>This is why the bankers hate Christianity.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> <br>God is the Truth, Love, Beauty and Justice to which we aspire. This moral order precludes a small clique monopolizing the world's wealth. So the bankers set out to destroy our belief in a Divine Order by promoting Darwinism, Existentialism etc. They promote war, depression and terror so we will demand their "antidote": the New World Order.<br> <br>In his brilliant essay, "The Frankfurt School and Political Correctness" Michael Minnichino describes how most of the fashionable intellectual and artistic movements in the 20th century, still in vogue today, were actually inspired by thinkers who were Commintern (Communist International) agents financed by the central bankers. Some of them actually worked for Soviet Intelligence right into the 1960's. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.schillerinstitute.org//fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html">www.schillerinstitute.org...kfurt.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br>He writes: "The task [of the Frankfurt School] was first to undermine the Judeo-Christian legacy through an 'abolition of culture' ...and second, to determine new cultural forms which would increase the alienation of the population, thus creating a 'new barbarism.' ...The purpose of modern art, literature and music must be to destroy the uplifting potential of art, literature and music..."<br> <br>Funds came from "various German and American universities, the Rockefeller Foundation, the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>American Jewish Committee</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, several American intelligence services..."<br> <br>This subversive movement "represents almost the entire theoretical basis of all the politically correct aesthetic trends which now plague our universities." They are associated with Post Modernism, Feminism, Cultural Studies, Deconstructionism, Semiotics, etc.<br> <br>Their net effect is to divorce us from truth, social cohesion and our cultural heritage. They assert that reality is unknowable and that writers and artists are in fact depicting themselves. For example, postmodernist Hayden White writes, "historical narratives are verbal fictions, the contents of which are more invented than found...truth and reality are primarily authoritarian weapons of our times." In other words, we can't know what happened in the past.<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newtotalitarians.com/FrankfurtSchool.html">www.newtotalitarians.com/...chool.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br>In fact postmodernism is part of the real authoritarian agenda. Similarly, the Frankfurt School championed the notion that religion, male leadership, marriage and family cause "authoritarianism", when these things actually uphold society.<br> <br>Universities are enemy territory and professors usually are obstacles to genuine learning. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.savethemales.ca/000561.html">www.savethemales.ca/000561.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br>THE MASS MEDIA<br> <br>The same applies to the mass media, which the central bankers own and control. We imagine that books, movies and music are commercially or artistically motivated. This is not true. Elite brainwashers discovered they can sell almost anything as long as it is hyped and adheres to a familiar format. Thus the agenda of entertainment, apart from distraction, is dysfunctional social engineering, satanism, sex and violence.<br> <br>Musician Wes Penre says stars are selected not for their talent but because they advance the elite agenda. He writes:<br> <br>"Their task is to demoralize our youth, to create a society where no one is able to think for themselves (contrary to what the pop culture is trying to teach us about the "rebellious" rock music). The Art Industry creates "Icons" with degrading and satanic messages, who are supposed to take the place of God. The musicians are also often acting degraded and high or low on drugs, so their fans start acting the same. The purpose is to create apathy and decay. Quite a few artists also put subliminal backward messages in their music, like Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, The Eagles, and more...."<br> <br>Many musicians die young due to "drug overdoses" because they tried to buck the agenda, Penre says. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.illuminati-news.com/field-of-art.htm">www.illuminati-news.com/field-of-art.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br>This also explains the obsession with romance in popular music. Love and sex are intended to distract us from everything else.<br> <br>Increasingly, there is a lesbian message in popular music. For example, the Dixie Chicks scorn men and celebrate female independence. In one song, women self-righteously murder a man who gave his wife a black eye. Young women sing these songs and identify with them.<br> <br>A friend noticed his Dixie Chick-singing girlfriend has been psychologically neutered. She thinks becoming a wife and mother will cramp her style. He is dumping her.<br> <br>I went to the movies last night. Three-out-of-four previews mentioned homosexuality. The upcoming "North Country" with Charlese Theron is pure anti-male propaganda. Single mother gets a job in a mine but is not accepted as an equal by her male co-workers. After one assaults her, she has to take the company to court to get justice. How many times have we seen this kind of thing?<br> <br>I once met a woman who is a railroad diesel mechanic. She said her male co-workers treat her like gold. It wouldn't do to tell her story, would it?<br> <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Ever wonder why there hasn't been a movie about real American heroes like Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh (after "The Spirit of St. Louis"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> Louis McFadden and Whittaker Chambers? They opposed the banker agenda.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br> <br>CONCLUSION<br> <br>Just as we need healthy food and exercise, our mind and soul desperately need truth and beauty. We need to see life portrayed honestly, with the real forces identified. Instead, we are deliberately deceived and degraded by a small financial elite with a diabolical plan. White stallions (our souls) are fed a diet of sawdust.<br> <br>Whether it's school or mass media, we are bombarded with propaganda designed to produce alienation and dysfunction. We must protect ourselves from this poison before it is too late.<br> <br>The good news is that modern culture, based on the premise there is no inherent positive purpose or design in human life, has been exposed as a long-term Illuminati psy-op. (More on the Illuminati program: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.savethemales.ca/000205.html.)">www.savethemales.ca/000205.html.)</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br>_____<br> <br>Henry Makow Ph.D. is the inventor of the game Scruples and author of "A Long Way to go for a Date." His articles exposing fe-manism and the New World Order can be found at his web site www.savethemales.ca He enjoys receiving comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. hmakow@gmail.com<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>There are things in here some of us can sort of agree with. But who are these bankers? Why do they hate the "Christian West?" And why aren't other people of extreme wealth (whose investments are either invested in, preserved by or laundered through those same banks) put up for similar scorn? <br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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LaRouche and Makow

Postby robertdreed » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:55 am

DE, you nailed LaRouche with his own words. (Rest assured, it's none other.) <br><br>Those excerpts really point up LaRouche's sinister side. For all of his intelligence, polemical skills, and ability to synthesize information, he can be a real hater.<br><br>Reading LaRouche sometimes resembles the equivalent of talking with a stranger in a bar, being impressed with their intellectuality, and getting into a discussion...and then, after a few drinks, their mask begins to slip, and the hate pours out. Only someone like Larouche doesn't require alcohol to drop their reserve, they're able to get on a verbal roll and eventually get high enough on their own ideas that they work their irrational obsessions into their theory of everything. <br><br>Race hatreds, class hatreds, hatred of any diversity, dissent, or dissonance that upsets whatever imaginal scheme they have for a perfect world...hate and resentment is the wrong place to begin formulating political ideals, in my opinion.<br><br>I'd still like to dialogue with LaRouche, though, that's the sort of sweet and reasonable sap that I am. Talk him up personally, like Norman Mailer once did with Pat Buchanan...take a reading of him. Because I don't entirely disagree with many of his perceptions...I'd like to seek areas of agreement. Probably a hopeless task, my impression of him is that he'd clam up and shut down if challenged about his views on some subjects. But I'd like to see how far I could get, as a representative of the counter-culture. As a gay libertarian conservative, Justin Raimondo would probably be an even better choice to pointedly bring up some topics as an interviewer. Or, better yet, a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Jewish</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> gay libertarian conservative could interview him.<br><br>My bet is that none of us would get very far with him, he's too dogmatic and self-convinced. <br><br>But maybe not...I hold out this hope I have about thinkers and people of ideas sharing enough intellectual curiousity that they're able to find mutual grounds for respect, eventually leading to discarding of bigotry. After all, how many gays or illegal drug users has Lyndon LaRouche ever met, close up? Knowingly, I mean...<br><br>I'm just trying to come from the notion that "folks are folks." The most universal scapegoats of American society are crackheads and junkies- and ghetto dope dealers- but if you've ever gotten to know a few of them close up, you soon realize that they're people too, if your experience is anything like mine. Good people, even...<br><br>But LaRouche, he's like Mao, or J. Gordon Liddy...if he had the power to march all of the illegal drug users onto a fleet of tramp freighters and sink them in the middle of the ocean, he'd do it. <br><br>Of course, Castro quarantined everyone diagnosed with AIDS in Cuba...that's a topic for a separate discussion. There may even be some semblance of a defensible argument in Cuba's case, it's a different country. <br><br>As for Makow- he doesn't sound to me like a personalist leader, along the lines of LaRouche. He's simply bought into classical Nesta Webster "Illuminati conspiracy theory", hook, line, and sinker. <br><br>It isn't that difficult for even intelligent people to get tripped up that way, it provides an easy catch-all explanation for a lot of phenomena. Furthermore, there is no shortage of reasons- or at least indications- to fuel conspiratorial suspicions about the doings of a few/some/many/all political elites these days. <br><br>Personally, my conspiracist theorizing- such as it is- has mutated to the point where I think that the classical Western 19th-20th century conspiracy hypothesis might even have been purposefully designed as a smokescreen for the actual conspiracy. But I'm still open to dialogue with Makow, presuming that he's sincere...he doesn't strike me as being extremist and megalomaniacal to nearly the extent of LaRouche. <br><br><br>Makow is Jewish, by the way. He was born to Zionist parents, and even lived on a kibbutz in Israel for a while. The way he tells it, his disillusionment with Israel began when, as a newcomer, he was out working somewhere while listening to a radio tuned to the BBC. One of the other kibbutzim turned the radio off, and forbade him to listen to input of that sort. Presumably the disapproval was due to it being "un-Jewish", in the purview of the culturally ethnocentric Zionists who ran the kibbutz in question. I think he had some other run-ins with the collective aspect of that particular communitarian lifestyle, and he eventually left and relocated in Canada. <br><br>That info is from an interview that can be found on Makow's website. <br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 9/25/05 11:04 pm<br></i>
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Makow goes deep...

Postby robertdreed » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:01 am

"A friend noticed his Dixie Chick-singing girlfriend has been psychologically neutered." <br><br>LOL <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "Who are these bankers?"

Postby starroute » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:37 am

The bankers get into things by way of Abbe Barruel. There's a pretty good summary of his influence in Robert Anton Wilson's "Everything is Under Control." (And yes, I know that Wilson is sloppy on the details, but he seems to have the general sense of things exactly right.)<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In 1797, an embittered French Jesuit, Abbe Barruel, set down in print his theory of why the French Revolution had occurred. Where other historians would attribute that social explosion to the sufferings of the poor, or the ambitions of the rising merchant class, or the alienation of the nobility . . . the angry priest had a simpler theory: The revolution had resulted from the machinations of a literally Diabolical Conspiracy. . . .<br><br>First of all, the Abbe blamed the Revolution on the Bavarian Illuminati, a secret society that had existed between 1776 and 1786, when the Bavarian government banned them; it did not take too much of a leap of speculation to consider that maybe the Illuminati had not disappeared when condemned in '86. Maybe they had lingered, under other names, and had indeed played a role in the uprising of '89. . . .<br><br>Not only had the Illuminati wormed their way into control of Continental Freemasonry, he insisted, but they had also existed long before they surfaced under the name of Illuminati in Bavaria. In fact, they had existed for over a thousand years and had used the title Knights Templar when founded in the ninth century. . . . The devil-worshipping Templars, he decided, had lingered as an underground Satanic cult from their alleged dissolution in 1308 until their resurfacing as the Illuminati in Bavaria in 1776.<br><br>A thousand-year-old conspiracy really turns on the true Conspiracy Buff; and pretty quickly, Abbe Augustin Barreul heard from men of similarly active imaginations with even more epic-like conspiracy sagas. He changed his own theory several times, to incorporate the ideas that suited his uniquely off-kilter sense of how the world turns. The Templars, for instance, became the allies of the Assassins . . .<br><br>Eventually the Abbe encountered a mysterious Captain Simonini who told him "the Jews" as a fungible group were behind everything; the jumbo conspiracy theory emphasized the international bankers, especially the Rothschilds. . . .<br><br>The whole Barruel Jewish-Masonic-Arab conspiracy appeared occasionally among the 1840's Anti-Masonic Party in this country, and has influenced all right-wing politics in Europe ever since, including Italian Fascism and German Nazism. A sanitized version, minus overt anti-semitism, currently circulates among that part of the right under the leadership of Rev. Pat Robertson. A very unsanitary version, including the anti-semitism, motivates a great deal of "militia" activity.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So this particular variety of conspiracy theory is a sort of crystalization -- a fly embedded in amber, if you will -- of paranoid right-wing belief systems c. 1806. The Rothschilds are there because of what the Rothschilds were doing at the time of the Napoleonic Empire, not because of anything they have done since. The Jews play the role they would have had in the eyes of a conservative French Catholic of the time -- half strange medieval figures of alien dress and manner, half the upwardly-mobile product of the Enlightenment, determined to make their way in the new wealth-system of pure capital rather than the old aristocratic wealth-system of inherited land. <br><br>And so forth. All essence of 1806. And having very little to do with the present day.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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