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Re: what do you think?

Postby sarabite » Thu Sep 14, 2006 4:59 pm

Back in art school, I heard a lecture about the Paris fashion industry under the Nazi Occupation. The Germans wanted to show that things hadn't changed much under their jackboots, so they permitted the French to continue with their fashion shows.<br><br>So, the designers set up elaborate fashion shots of haute couture models in front of bombed-out buildings, wrecked trains, etc. Some even included secret messages, I believe. It took a while for the Germans to catch on, but in the meantime the world could see the reality peeking out behind the facade.<br><br>That being said, I'm not sure these are like those. These really do seem to glorify fascist chic. What I find most disturbing is the inhuman (Aryan?), almost robotic perfection of the mannekins. The models look like Gigolo Jane or something. Very creepy...<br><br>Jay<br>___________________________________<br>| "One of the penalties for refusing to <br>| participate in politics is that you<br>| end up being governed by your inferiors."<br>| -- Plato<br>============================<br> Happy 9/11 from the year 2021!<br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.weirdload.com/">www.weirdload.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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glam

Postby blanc » Thu Sep 14, 2006 5:36 pm

isn't it high maintenance glamour being trashed by jack boots? <p></p><i></i>
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glamography

Postby elpuma » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:42 am

Pornography is chic, Orwell's future is cooooool man. Helmut Newton would be proud....<br><br>Whateve Meisel was "trying" to say by these shots, the actual interpretation (or lack thereof by the most impressionable...that is, most people that are influenced by fashion) will be quite different.<br><br>Psyops indeed. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: glamography

Postby smithtalk » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:37 am

a lot of things will always be read differently by different groups of people, the fashionastas are too stupid and vacuuos to see the sub text but others will,<br>i think its clear that the photos show a menacing present day scenario<br>rednecks love south park because they are not interested in the sub text, my mum hates south park because its gross,<br>i myself stopped watching it years ago but thought it quite intelligent on some levels, moronic on others,<br><br>it interests me that it is linked to pornography, all clothing shoots are soft porn in varying degrees, and so what?<br>i as a hetero sexual male happen to think that the female form is just about the most beautiful thing on earth, <br>and if healthy gorgeous young women are interested in displaying theyre naked bodies and i find them pleasing to the eye whats the problem,<br><br>we have to learn to distinguish between nasty and destructive actions and harmless ones,<br>trafficking young girls and boys and selling them is a disgusting crime and a whole lot more should be being done to stop it,<br>but adult women who consentually strip and men that enjoy it, or vice versa, should be given a break,<br>(however, i now totally contradict everything i have just said and report that i read very convincing studies recently that showed that access to porn on the internet increases violent and sexual assaults aginst women especially, so i dont know what to say about that) <p></p><i></i>
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choice

Postby blanc » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:33 am

problem number one smithtalk is around the choice aspect. who is choosing what.<br>problem number two is around the control aspect. having a photo of someone is a way of owning them. in violent porn, the owner is in a relationship of control in which the subject is... well, utterly subjugated. does that help you sort it out? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: choice

Postby 4911 » Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:50 am

"Now you too can look great - even when your being frisked!"<br><br><br>oh, and what about the dog? He doesnt look aggressive, he looks horny. Sick. Its FILTH. Pornography! The state of emergency pertains to the dog! <br><br><br>edit: <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 9/15/06 2:54 am<br></i>
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pedigree chums

Postby blanc » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:09 am

definitely disturbed dog <p></p><i></i>
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Re: pedigree chums

Postby smithtalk » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:29 am

well i found the dog very attractive,<br>and if the dog is consentual and i ...<br>only joking <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Old Navy is in there too

Postby postrchild » Fri Sep 15, 2006 1:35 pm

Has anyone caught the radio/tv spots from Old Navy? They use the wonderful catch phrase "Get you Fash-on". Totally desensitizing us to the word fascism now......the plot thickens.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START >: --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/mad.gif ALT=">:"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Is this to say facism is fashionable? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=postrchild>postrchild</A> at: 9/15/06 11:37 am<br></i>
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Re: Old Navy is in there too

Postby professorpan » Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:27 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Has anyone caught the radio/tv spots from Old Navy? They use the wonderful catch phrase "Get you Fash-on". Totally desensitizing us to the word fascism now......the plot thickens. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Huh? So the use of the word "fashion" is now part of the overlords' plot? <p></p><i></i>
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Old Navy

Postby elpuma » Sun Sep 17, 2006 12:31 pm

Of course..... <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>everything</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> is a conspiracy these days. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Vogue fascist chic

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sun Sep 17, 2006 6:10 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Is this to say facism is fashionable?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Fashion is Fascism. Anyone who's ever been unfashionable (non-pliable) will know the pressure to conform. From the way we talk, our appearance, interests, activities etc. we're judged. And if we're not "down with the crowd" then we're weirdos, loonies, geeks and freaks. I've always been too stubborn to let it bother me but the accusations and rumours still fly thick and fast.<br><br>Nazi chic comes and goes. I first saw it in Airfix models and seventies porn mags. I see it now in young goths dressing like Matrix characters. I saw it with the punks I grew up with and watched the ones who were more interesed in appearances than ideas turn into everything they'd claimed (they're usually the loudest too) to hate. I see it now with kids aping the gangsters and chavs they're fed by TV.<br><br>It's an elitist thing. Who wants to be nobody when they can be in with "the in crowd"? And isn't that how elitists work? Sucking in wannabes? Teasing, feeding, training, controlling?<br><br>I know people who pity me because I don't "own" property, don't (though they insist on saying can't) drive, rarely watch movies or TV and don't go out much. Then they whine about their marriage, car, debts and the crap on TV. All while telling me I should be more like them!<br><br>Fascism requires a certain state of mind. I just aint got it. <p></p><i></i>
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