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Postby OP ED » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:06 am

Ironic? Yes certainly, but not really shocking. These people are hypocritical assholes, but we already knew that didn't we?

[Cheny has the gay daughter right? if I remember my 04 election news right]

As far as backroom deals go, I'm sure that they happen at BG, as it would be sooo unlikely for them not to. Be that as it may, I don't neccessarily see how gay sex is required for these deals to work. Also, lots of these folks make backroom deals with people who aren't grovers, so I don't tend to view it as a "seat of power" or anything, as I've heard others maintain.

Maybe I'm just jaded and this is old news to me.
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:32 am

I'm not even so much interested in this from that standpoint of hypocrisy - that's just an obvious starting point. I'm more interested in learning absolutely as much as possible about this place which occupies such a strange place in relation to centers of power; I don't need to make any of the stupid claims of Alex Jones et al about "Satanic ritual" or whatever, but I'm not going to ignore what clearly is a dominant aspect of this place that even Presidents feel compelled to visit for some reason.
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Postby OP ED » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:14 am

Sure. Though it seems fairly obvious to me why presidents would visit country clubs crawling with powerful people.
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Postby rbeck » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:47 am

These ex presidents from the US and other countries,German president Helmut Schmidt is a regular, power brokers ,heads of world industry are compeled to go to the Grove because thats where they make their connections, deals ,do business, select future leaders,price fixing etc. There is supposed to be a 10 year waiting list to join and members have to be invited to join by other Grovers. the head of AMD company who controls the world maket value on corn sweeteners (which is in everything) goes there to set global prices on their products. Im sure they do that with oil also create false shortages to jack up the price. They are obligated to be at the grove just like they are at the Bilderberg meetings around the world to do business.
the lakeside stalks they do in front of that pagan statue of an owl are also a focal point of the grove heres an agenda for the 2003 and 2006 talks
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bo ... s2006.html
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bo ... s2003.html

Also prostitutes male and female are flow into the sonoma county airport and usually stay at rented houses in the small town of Monte Rio a few miles away. male porn star "Chad Savage" (look him up) worked as a waiter there servicing grove members, most people know they are perverts but Im more interesed in why most of these world leaders think its normal to want to participate in strange pagan caananite rituals in the middle of the woods. its disgraceful. Helmut Schmitt wrote in his memoirs that the Boheimian Grove is his favorite druidic ritual hes been to?? where else does he go?
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Postby Searcher08 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:44 am

rbeck, Thanks for those links - I just HAVE to post the content

2006
Friday, July 14: "GLOBAL FINANCIAL WARRIORS"
by John Taylor, Bohemian and Professor of Economics at Stanford

Saturday, July 15: CREMATION OF CARE

Monday, July 17: "UNTOLD TALES FROM THE COLD WAR"
Tom Reed, Bohemian & former Secretary of the Air Force

Tuesday, July 18: "ENERGY, CO2 and CLIMATE CHANGE
Lynn Orr, Director Global Climate & Energy Project, Stanford

Wednesday, July 19: "GULF COAST EROSION: CONSEQUENCES FOR AMERICA"
King Milling, Chm. Louisiana Governor's Coastal Restoration & Conservation Committee

Friday, July 21: "AMERICA IN A NEW WORLD" Fareed Zakaria, Editor: Newsweek

Tuesday, July 25: "ISLAND CONSERVATION WITH GUNS, TRAPS & POISON
Bernie Tershy, Research Biologist Institute of Marine Sciences, U.C. Santa Cruz

Wednesday, July 26: 'THE PARALLELISM & ULTIMATE CONVERGENCE OF SCIENCE
& RELIGION, Charles Townes, Bohemian & Scientist

Thursday, July 27: "GLOBAL URBANIZATION: A CHALLENGE FOR THE FUTURE",
Richard Koshalek, President, Art Center College of Design, Pasadena
"THESE EUROPEANS: DO THEY UNDERSTAND US? OR ANYTHING?"
Andrew Knight, Bohemian and Editor

Friday, July 28: "LESSONS LEARNED FROM WAR, ASSASSINATION, THE WHITE
HOUSE & HOLLYWOOD", Jack Valenti, past president, Motion Picture Ass. Of America

Saturday, July 29: "FROM BATTLEFIELDS TO PLAYING FIELDS-ECONOMICS,
ENERGY & EDUCATION", Colin Powell, Bohemian & Soldier/Statesman


2003
Saturday, July 12 12:30 PM: "AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM"--Chris Mathews, Bohemian Member & Television Journalist

Saturday, July 12 6:30 PM: CREMATION OF CARE CEREMONY--124th year

Monday, July 14 12:30 PM: "VOUCHER WARS"--Clint Bolick Vice President of the Institute for Justice--Arizona Chapter

Tuesday, July 15 12:30 PM: " BE CREATIVE OR DIE: WHAT PEOPLE, COMPANIES & CITIES MUST DO TO FLOURISH"Richard Florida-Economics Prof.Carnegie Mellon

Wednesday, July 16 12:30 PM: "WAR IN A CLASSICAL CONTEXT" Victor Davis Hanson, California State University, Fresno

Thursday, July 17 12:30 PM:"ART VERSUS SCIENCE; INTUITION VERSUS INTELLECT CREATIVITY & THE ORDERLY ENTERPRISE" Robert Lutz, V.P. General Motors Corp.

Friday, July 18 12:30 PM:"THE VIEW FROM THE TABLE-& OTHER CONVERSATIONS" Charlie Rose, Television Journalist (so much for liberals!!)

Saturday, July 19 4:30 PM: "A CHANGED WORLD" George P. Shultz, formerly of Becktel, Secretary of State under Reagan & current Hoover Institute Fellow

Sunday, July 20 12:30 PM:"CLIMATE FORECAST-CONTINUED WARMING BUT WITH A BIG CHILL" Bob Gagosian, President, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute

Sunday, July 20 3:30 PM: "AT WAR-DRAMATIC READINGS OF STORIES FROM THE FRONT LINES BY AMBROSE BIERCE"

Monday, July 21 12:30 PM: "THE SCOTTISH ENLIGHTENMENT'S IMPACT ON OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDING" Robert Galvin, Ret. Chairman & CEO of Motorola Corp.

Wednesday, July 23 10:30 AM: "9/11 DID THE TERRORISTS EXPECT THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS TO FALL?" Ian Mackinlay, Bohemian member & Architect

Thursday, July 24 12:30 PM: "AMERICAN-RUSSIAN RELATIONS-IS THE HONEYMOON OVER?" Michael McFaul, Political Science Prof. Stanford Unv.

Friday, July 25 12:30 PM: "TITLE TO BE ANNOUNCED" William Safire--Columnist

Saturday, July 26 10:30 AM: "THE QUEST FOR IMMORTALITY" Joseph Weiss M.D., Clinical Professor of Medicine, Unv. of California, San Diego

Saturday, July 26 12:30 PM: "TERMINAL THOUGHTS" William F. Buckley Jr., Bohemian member and Author (and long time elitist thinker)



I am very interested to hear peoples thoughts on the change in themes since 2003.
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Postby Trifecta » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:37 am

Occult buggery is a form of sex magic for control or self improvement, depending on which side of the pyramid you face.
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Postby lunarose » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:06 pm

per oped:

'Sure. Though it seems fairly obvious to me why presidents would visit country clubs crawling with powerful people.'

why people are surprised that the powerful congregate is beyond me. why they get so worked up about 'homosexuality' (which isn't even confirmed, by the way)...........i just don't know what to say. yeah, 'the elite' are hypocrites. last i heard 50%+ of the U.S. population is/or has screwed around on their spouse (this isn't counting the screwing around by singles). so how is the behavior of 'the elite' any different from the rest of us in that area? who hasn't known closeted gays amongst the plebes? no one in this thread is getting all het up about the heterosexual screwing around that there is just as much 'evidence' for in the bohemian grove.

per rbeck:

'Im more interesed in why most of these world leaders think its normal to want to participate in strange pagan caananite rituals in the middle of the woods. its disgraceful. Helmut Schmitt wrote in his memoirs that the Boheimian Grove is his favorite druidic ritual hes been to?? where else does he go?'

SO WHAT if they participate in stupid 'occult' rituals. what's disgraceful about that? if they went to church and took communion (mock cannibalism of a purported god-king) the typical u.s. moron would have a warm, tingling feeling in their heart.

it seems to me we have here a lot of typical prejudice about non-standard sexual and recreational practices, disguised under 'analysis of deep political networks and their beliefs'. i couldn't care less what they do in private. has anyone else noticed how we are getting completely shafted IN PUBLIC? massive inequality in wealth, bad access to health care, environmental despoilation, retraction of personal freedoms and liberties........but, kissinger getting a blowjob from a waiter, now THERE's where we should put our attention. right.
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Postby semper occultus » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:17 pm

The gentlemen's club for the rich and famous that worships a 1980s Page 3 girl
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A former British topless model has become the extraordinary obsession of members of America’s most illustrious and secretive men's club, which is trying to track her down in time for its 100th anniversary party next month.

The Bohemian Grove Club holds an annual summer camp at which members, who include Henry Kissinger, former President George Bush Senior, Clint Eastwood and Bob Weir, founder member of Sixties rock band the Grateful Dead, debate world politics, perform weird mock Druid ceremonies – and, it turns out, ogle a poster of a blonde in a thong.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=460991&in_page_id=1811
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Postby rbeck » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:04 pm

lunarose wrote:per rbeck:
'Im more interesed in why most of these world leaders think its normal to want to participate in strange pagan caananite rituals in the middle of the woods. its disgraceful. Helmut Schmitt wrote in his memoirs that the Boheimian Grove is his favorite druidic ritual hes been to?? where else does he go?'

SO WHAT if they participate in stupid 'occult' rituals. what's disgraceful about that? if they went to church and took communion (mock cannibalism of a purported god-king) the typical u.s. moron would have a warm, tingling feeling in their heart.

it seems to me we have here a lot of typical prejudice about non-standard sexual and recreational practices, disguised under 'analysis of deep political networks and their beliefs'. i couldn't care less what they do in private. has anyone else noticed how we are getting completely shafted IN PUBLIC? massive inequality in wealth, bad access to health care, environmental despoilation, retraction of personal freedoms and liberties........but, kissinger getting a blowjob from a waiter, now THERE's where we should put our attention. right.


its offensive to the voters (the descent people that dont do this sort of thing) that elected them and put them in office .alot of these Grovers are public officials .We the voters put them there. If the voters knew what they did out in the redwood forests they wouldnt be re elected.some of the private members, heads of industry, billionaires etc. can and will do what they want in private as long as its legal in Sonoma County California last I check prostitution and pandering were not. i hope you will not write anything more offensive towards Christianity. people are not morons for going to church I dont know what your hang up is but keep it to yourself please my friend were talking about the Boheimian Grove here.
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There is something much darker here that seems to be missed

Postby Seventhsonjr » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:35 pm

There is something much darker here that seems to be missed in the discussion - and which is integral to many of the other discussions here:

pedophilia and other sexual abuse by the elites.

I attended (and was booted out of, more or less) an elite boarding school where many of these bohemian grove and skull and bones types originated from. I was sent there at 12 and left, after running away, at 14.

In rcent years the school itself has come under fire for a culture of abuse of boys by other and older boys which was tolerated and covered up by the school. There was a lawsuit where much of this came out. In my experience there was a very creepy fostering of gay boys by gay "masters" (teachers and dormmasters) and older students. I remember one "master" who spent at least a half hour in the boys shower room with the boys every night taking WAAAY too long a shower. To me he was clearly gay and it seemed he was always "recruiting" though I can't prove that.

In one case I was accosted by an older boy in the woods who wanted oral sex and was very pushy about it. I reluctantly reported it and the guys "punishment" was that he was KEPY BACK a year and hence was dorming and rooming with YOUNGER boys. I was gone by then so it didn't affect me much, but it always troubled me.

In later years a relative of mine by marriage was a covert operator for the intelligence community - Harvard, wealthy family, paratrroper who fought in the illegal war in Laos and worked for Howard Hunt in Uruguay. He dumped his wife and children on the theory that he had left the agency and was now completely absorbed in his pursuit of hedonism and young boys (teens) globally and went off to establish well-financed homes around the globe and in trouble spots like Guatemala, Indonesia, North Africa etc.. It seemed to be a cover and every time I try to discuss any of it I am met with frightened silence and cautions against discussing it as it is too dangerous (it could get him killed, for example).

As I began to connect all the dots I came to realize that elite establishments like this all boys boarding school (funded by the elites including JP Morgan) actually used the schools not only as a recruitment ground for intel and secret societies like Skull and Bones (for which Juniors at 16-17 were recruited) but also for long term deep homosexual moles who could be used in a vast network of blackops for balckmailing and compromising political, military and industrial leaders globally for subversion and suppression of democracy for the WASPy Fourth Reich (financed by these same wall street elites).

In Nazi Germany similar things were done with Hitler's top guy Rohm until he was murdered to cover the story up by Hitler in the night of the long knives I believe it was known.

Skull and Bones intiations reuquire new "initiates" to lie naked in a coffiun and reveal their sexual history and their darkest sexual secrets and fantasies. This forces the oaths of secrecy to be kept and also makes it possible to most effectively "place" covert predatory black sexual operators where they will be most useful.

Imagine, for example, some Bushie "action" in the showers or some world leader who spills his fetishes for young boys or girls or whatever. Suppose they engage in it there and it gets recorded somehow? Imagine how useful all this stuff would be to get them to do the will of the WASP elites. Something done in a drunken revelry or in cold and calculated and masochistic "mystery" or simple MKUltra machinations?


So speaking from some meagre but relatively informed experience I can tell you there is a lot more to all this than is being discussed in this book from what I have seen here.

It needs to be said.

It is a key modus operandi of global fascism and the WASP Fourth Reich and all their willing and unwilling collaborators.
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Postby cptmarginal » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:08 pm

There is something much darker here that seems to be missed in the discussion - and which is integral to many of the other discussions here:

pedophilia and other sexual abuse by the elites.

I didn't miss it; in fact, it's a big part of the reason why I wanted to make this post.

I regret having even bothered, considering the frankly disappointing knee-jerk responses it is eliciting.

it seems to me we have here a lot of typical prejudice about non-standard sexual and recreational practices, disguised under 'analysis of deep political networks and their beliefs'. i couldn't care less what they do in private. has anyone else noticed how we are getting completely shafted IN PUBLIC?

I never said I was prejudiced against this sort of practice; however, I am saying that I am very much interested in what these people do in private. Surely nobody is suggesting that we can only be interested in one aspect of the "people who run everything" (as self-described elsewhere in this book) to the exclusion of all else? I think we've got plenty of time and brain-power for both... I thought I was posting to Rigorous Intuition here? I never asked anyone to get in a huff over the simple act of gay sex. Surely any info about this place is of some interest? It's not as if I just started a thread on this topic with only the same old info and accusations rehashed - I posted this because I have never seen anything about this book anywhere before.

It seems like the Grove sometimes reveals the contours of elite society in this country, and it appears to be a very weird thing.

Sure. Though it seems fairly obvious to me why presidents would visit country clubs crawling with powerful people.

Yes, but why this particular place? There are plenty of country clubs out there which are not surrounded by weirdness. I am not one of those people who is suggesting that the Grove is the center of power, i.e. all of the most important decisions occur there. Like you said, of course some decisions occur there; it would be stupid to assume otherwise. However, it absolutely does occupy a peculiar exalted position in American society; as is made abundantly clear throughout this book, once you've made it into the Grove as a member, you are part of a particular "in" crowd. It is a signifier of having "made it".

Monday, July 21 12:30 PM: "THE SCOTTISH ENLIGHTENMENT'S IMPACT ON OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDING" Robert Galvin, Ret. Chairman & CEO of Motorola Corp.

Wednesday, July 23 10:30 AM: "9/11 DID THE TERRORISTS EXPECT THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS TO FALL?" Ian Mackinlay, Bohemian member & Architect


Whoa...

These ex presidents from the US and other countries,German president Helmut Schmidt is a regular, power brokers ,heads of world industry are compeled to go to the Grove because thats where they make their connections, deals ,do business, select future leaders,price fixing etc.

I have never seen any evidence to this effect. In fact, everything I have seen in this book suggests just the opposite - that the primary focus is to forget this sort of thing as far as possible. Business deals and such are looked upon as inevitable considering the crowd present. According to them, the gathering is for the purpose of shedding the "snake's skin" of public life in order to indulge the "iron mystery" of their desires which they have had to deny time and time again. Well, the "iron mystery" part is the author's phrase - they aren't going to say something like that outright.

*edit* I've asked this to be moved to the "Fascist Sexuality" forum, as it seems much more appropriate - and I really have no intention of trying to offend anyone or cause some argument. Sorry if this rubbed people the wrong way, I just wanted to share what seemed like the only interesting new info from this book.

*edit 2* Moved to "Fascism" instead. Not quite appropriate, but better than having to explain that it was in the other forum just for the "Fascist Sexuality" part, not "Pedophilia".

Also, adding to my last comment above re: business deals and such - has anyone else ever thought of the obvious fact that there is no good reason at all for these people to meet here for this purpose? Seriously, why in the world would they need to meet up face to face at the Bohemian Grove of all places just to make these kind of decisions? It seems much more like a symbolic signifier of a strange kind to me. Just my opinion.
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Postby sunny » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:22 pm

Moving per cptmarginal's request.
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Postby lunarose » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:16 pm

per rbeck:

'its offensive to the voters (the descent people that dont do this sort of thing) that elected them and put them in office .alot of these Grovers are public officials .We the voters put them there. If the voters knew what they did out in the redwood forests they wouldnt be re elected.some of the private members, heads of industry, billionaires etc. can and will do what they want in private as long as its legal in Sonoma County California last I check prostitution and pandering were not. i hope you will not write anything more offensive towards Christianity. people are not morons for going to church I dont know what your hang up is but keep it to yourself please my friend were talking about the Boheimian Grove here.'

again, i am more concerned with what these people are doing to us in public. being gay is legal, having alternate spiritual beliefs is legal IN FACT THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PART OF THE FOUNDATION OF OUR COUNTRY. this type of 'well he seems like a great guy, i'm sure he'll do a good job' is the type of thinking that got us gw bush. he's one of our biggest fascists so far and his sexuality is supposedly everything we're supposed to be looking up to. that said, newt gingrich divorced one of his wives while she was in the hospital with cancer, and he's still a darling of the neocons. if you look at the behavior of the typical U.S. citizen, thier morals aren't all that high, so why we're expecting any better from our leaders is beyond me.

and i don't know what your hangup is about 'occult' practices, either, branding them as so disgusting that decent people would immediately oust anyone found to be involved. i don't have any hangups with christianity itself, just the double standards i keep finding all over it, like not acknowledgeing the occult/ritualistic/cannibalistic aspects of communion, for example.

maybe they hang out in boheminan grove because its gorgeous, the weather's great, and they have access to the land there? i'm pretty sure the b.g. 'meetings' started before it became a big gay hangout.
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Postby rbeck » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:35 pm

this news article from today says it pretty good lunarose

Tom Ridge Says He Turned Down Bohemian Grove Invitation While at Homeland Security

“It would look bad, wasn’t right and so I didn’t go.”

The Department of Homeland Security’s first secretary, Tom Ridge, granted an interview to Gary Franchi and others at LoneLantern.org while on the McCain campaign trail, where he discussed a number of issues including 9/11, the CFR, the North American Union, the ‘Amero’ and more.

Notably, Ridge admitted he had been invited to Bohemian Grove but did not attend, commenting that the ‘elite retreat’ was "for eagles; I run with the sparrows."

Ridge elaborated, "I know a lot of people who’ve gone out there, some of them are friends of mine. I was invited once when I was Secretary of Homeland Security and the last place I want to be at Homeland Security is the Bohemian Grove– it would look bad, wasn’t right and so I didn’t go."

At least the former Pennsylvania governor notes that public servants discussing policy at private (occultic) retreats with international figures is worth avoiding, if only for appearances.
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Postby OP ED » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:51 pm

So Tom Ridge is your moral authority now?
Ha.

I'm merely annoyed at the "woo" reaction of the Christianists [etc] who somehow find big gay sex and [pseudo] occultism somehow shocking.

Why BG, cause its a hundred years old, obviously. If not BG, then it would be some other club. Who cares why, I guess is the point.

And none of this has anything to do with pedophilia so far as I can see. No evidence for it presented in this thread anyway, aside from the assumptions some of you have made.

That's a big charge to just throw around, you know.
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