by Dreams End » Sun Jul 31, 2005 3:59 am
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> Thanks for including me in your vision of 'we', but please, Please count me out.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm glad to hear it! But there are some out there pushing peak oil as rationale for "population reduction". Please be aware of that. And I encourage you to look for such agendas when you sort through the peak oil material.<br><br>A desire to control the world's oil supply does not necessarily equate to the idea that we will run out tomorrow or even in a decade. <br><br>I know Ruppert is not quoted in this thread but he's the one popularizing this idea. I've got a whole other post on Ruppert on OD 1...you can go there so we don't have to rehash it all here. However, there are other agendas that can explain the need to have the world buy into "peak oil.' The desire to push "population reduction" is the most extreme, but simply the desire to raise oil rates is another. And a "collapse" of the economy that is, in fact, more controlled than it looks can also benefit those who already have their fortunes locked away.<br><br>I find that the "incompetence theory"...oh "they just aren't looking ahead" is rarely sastisfying. It doesn't satisfy me about the "intelligence failures" for 9/11 and it doesn't satisfy me about peak oil...IF it's the oil industry insiders who ARE in fact pushing this, then the oil industry knows about it. They won't make much money when the oil runs out and we all die, now will they? Think they don't know that? <br><br>Ruppert, when he's not busy profiting from offshore pyramid schemes, says the "cliff event" is 2007. Cliff..as in "over the..."<br><br>Here's Ruppert in his interview with Hustler Magazine (I read it for the articles.):<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>By 2007 we are certain to see massive dislocations. The explanation for that is very simple: By 2007 there will be an absolute clear break between available product and demand, and the shortfalls will become extremely serious. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=96">www.larryflynt.com/notebook.php?id=96</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Maybe he's right. Well, hell, I've got yogurt in my refrigerator that will still be good then, so there's really not much time to do much, is there? Admittedly, if he were THAT concerned about worldwide collapse,he might not charge for his website's "premium" content, but who can quibble at a time like this? Gotta get what you can for you and yours, right?<br><br>Never fear though, even Ruppert, who has the most dire predictions, doesn't actually believe them. He's pushing investment in gold. Now, in the event of worldwide depression, maybe this is sound...but a collapse to the point of no one being able to eat...well, you can't eat gold.<br><br>And how 'bout his economic advisor Catherine Austin Fitts. Here's what she offers on her latest DVD:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Incubate a Wealth Revolution through a Solari Investor Circle<br>This lecture with audience Q&A provides a balanced approach to coping with such threats as the falling US dollar, economic warfare, and market manipulation. Here Catherine outlines how to "come clean" from a destructive economic system and introduces the Solari Investor Circle, a local investment club for you and the people you trust, to help you start your own wealth-building conspiracy that is entirely under your control—right in your community. Use this CD to help build a lifeboat in times of economic volatility, and to help you launch a wealth revolution in your home and neighborhood.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Wow! Peak oil isn't so bad after all. I can "incubate a wealth revolution." Ummm, but Cathy...how come you don't mention peak oil among the "threats" we have to cope with? Guess it slipped her mind.<br><br>I'm sorry for the sarcasm but people are ALREADY making money off peak oil. Please be open to the idea that there are other agendas at work, here.<br><br>Now certainly control of resources is behind much of our current foreign policy evil...but wasn't that true 50 years ago as well? Or have we been mucking about with Middle Eastern governments out of concern for democracy? Think it's all just to "protect" Israel? I'm pretty sure that if worldwide Jewry had fled to Swaziland after WWII there would be a lot less of this "special relationship." Sorry, all you who find Zionism at the core of everything, but cart, meet horse.<br><br>I find an awful lot in common with the y2k non-event. It was pushed (primarily by Christian reconstructionist Gary North) and not much happened. Listen to him about how people have (this was in '99) their heads in the sand:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"I used to speak with reporters on y2k. I no longer bother. They are simply paid functionaries of the advertising industry, getting rich off y2k denial. (Well, not getting rich. Just making an all-too-easy living.)<br><br>Anyway, a lot of them asked me this: "But what if everyone believed in y2k? Wouldn't this create chaos?" And the answer is, of course, yes -- as surely as if they all believed that nuclear missiles had been launched five minutes ago, in a nation without civil defense. (Reporters don't like civil defense programs, either.) When a system-wide catastrophe is coming in a short period of time, and 99% of the victims have not prepared, it does no good for everyone to find out about it, except to say a few brief prayers. There are insufficient resources to make preparations. The catastrophe will hit."<br>-- Gary North, April 28, 1999.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Any of this sound at all familiar?<br><br>Now, I looked at North's current website...he's not pushing peak oil. But he DID have an agenda for his y2k predictions. His overt agenda was to hasten the end times toward the Christian apocolypse.<br><br>North again: <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"So, of course I want to see y2k bring down the system, all over the world.<br>I have hoped for this all of my adult life."<br><br>More North related stuff by people who saw through him BEFORE y2k here: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.serve.com/thibodep/cr/y2k.htm">www.serve.com/thibodep/cr/y2k.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Why am I bringing up North, then, if he doesn't push peak oil.<br><br>1. He predicted worldwide collapse.<br>2. He made money by predicting worldwide collapse.<br>3. He didn't really seem to take his own prediction seriously (i.e. you could still get two year subscriptions to his newsletter in 1999)<br>4. He had a not very hidden agenda. Christian reconstructionism is hard core, AIDS-is-Gods-judgment type theology.<br>5. He had LOTS of supporting documentation and "insider" information.<br><br>Now, I hope I'm still in communication with all of the amazing, brilliant people on this site in 2007. And by then, we'll know if Ruppert was right. But I want people to consider that there are other explanations for pushing peak oil. <br><br>I'm going to link to a (typically) long, discursive article on madcow. It links John Gray (author of Men are from Mars... and 9/11 truth movement backer), Ruppert and Adnon Koshoggi, weapons dealer and scam artist. I offer this link not because it "proves" a lot...as it is way too rambling, but it at least suggests some sinister players in a bizarre and sinister game. Heaven's Gate gets thrown in, as well.<br><br>I want to quote from that article something I never knew. One of the agendas I am suspecting is the very idea of throwing "end of the world" scenarios out there and tracking them like the "benign" viruses our friends in the biowarfare department sometimes let off into the atmosphere of our major cities. <br><br>An old example of this was a study by the Rockefeller foundation back in 1938. It involved funding a little radio play called "War of the Worlds." Rockefeller. End of world scenario. What ARE these guys playing at? Here's the hopsicker link: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html">www.madcowprod.com/MC6812004.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Here's the quote:<br><br> “The broadcast was a psychological warfare experiment conducted by The Princeton Radio Project. The Rockefeller Foundation funded the project in the fall of 1937. An Office of Radio Research was set up with Paul F. Lazersfeld as director, and Frank Stanton and Hadley Cantrell as associate directors. Using demographic data on the broadcast’s audience gleaned from a 10-page interview questionnaire given to 135 people, they created a book, “Invasion From Mars: A Study in the Psychology of Panic.”<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>