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CIA Invests In No-Fuel Power Generators

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:46 am
by emad
<br>The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency is reportedly investing in a power unit that can generate substantial electrical energy without using any fuel.<br><br>The units manufactured by a small Virginia start-up company - SkyBuilt Power - are so rugged they can be dropped by parachute from an airplane and operate so simply, two people could have a unit running in just a few hours, the Christian Science Monitor reported Tuesday.<br><br>The generators are fueled by solar and wind energy, with a battery backup for use during the night or when winds are calm. And the units are designed to run for years with little maintenance, the newspaper said.<br><br>Depending upon its configuration, SkyBuilt's Mobile Power Station can generate up to 150 kilowatts of electricity.<br><br>And now privately owned, SkyBuilt has a new investor -- In-Q-Tel -- a venture capital firm owned by the CIA. The "Q" in In-Q-Tel is a reference to the fictional character "Q" who supplies James Bond with scientific gadgets.<br><br>Although no models for homes are yet available, SkyBuilt says its mobile power station can help meet critical power needs, such as during disasters, terrorist attacks, military operations or meteorological emergencies.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

re: Energy sources

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:18 pm
by Starman
Interesting ...<br><br>Perhaps related -- or in any case, another novel, innovative energy system whose inventor and supporters claim can replenish itself:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Inventor Claims Discovery of Free Energy<br>By Kevin Smith<br>Reuters<br><br>DUBLIN (Jan. 22) - It has been a pipe-dream of inventors since Leonardo da Vinci, but has the secret of free energy now been found in Ireland?<br><br>A cold stone house on a wind-swept Irish hillside may seem an unlikely setting for the birthplace of such an epoch-making discovery, but it is here that an Irish inventor says he has developed a machine that will do no less than change the world.<br><br>The 58-year-old electrical engineer, who lives in the Irish republic and intends -- for ''security and publicity-avoidance reasons'' -- to keep his identity a secret, has spent 23 years perfecting the Jasker Power System.<br><br>It is an electromechanical device he says is capable of nothing less than replenishing its own energy source.<br><br>The Irishman is not alone in making such assertions. The Internet is awash with speculation about free or ''zero point'' energy, with many claiming to have cracked the problem using magnets, coils, and even crystals.<br><br>''These claims come along every 10 years or so and nothing ever comes of them. They're all cases of 'voodoo science','' said Robert Park, professor of physics at the University of Maryland.<br><br>The makers of the Jasker -- a name derived from family abbreviations -- say it can be built to scale using off-the-shelf components and can power anything that requires a motor.<br><br>''The Jasker produces emission-free energy at no cost apart from the installation. It is quite possibly the most significant invention since the wheel,'' Tom Hedrick, the only person involved with the machine willing to give his name, told Reuters.<br><br>Hedrick, chief executive of a company set up with a view to licensing the device in the United States, said the technology shattered preconceived laws of science.<br><br>''It's a giant leap forward. The uses of this are almost beyond imagination.''<br><br>RED HOT WITH CONTROVERSY<br><br>Not surprisingly, this topic is red hot with controversy -- sharply dividing a world scientific community still on its guard after the ''Cold Fusion'' fiasco of 1989 when a group of Utah researchers scandalized the scientific world with claims -- quickly found to be unsupported -- that the long-sought answer to the problem of Cold Fusion had been discovered.<br>Experts contacted by Reuters were wary, citing the first law of thermodynamics which, in layman's terms, states that you can't get more energy out than you put in.<br><br>''I don't believe this. It goes against fundamentals which have not yet been disproved,'' said William Beattie, senior lecturer in electrical engineering at Queen's University in Belfast, Northern Ireland.<br><br>''These people (Jasker) are either Nobel prize-winners or they don't know what they're dealing with. The energy has to come from somewhere.''<br><br>Undaunted, the inventor says that once powered-up, his device can run indefinitely -- or at least until the parts wear out, adding that he has supplied all his own domestic power needs free for 17 months.<br><br>But he is keen to head off the notion that he has tapped into the age-old myth of perpetual motion. ''Perpetual motion is impossible. This is a self-sustaining unit which at the same time provides surplus electrical energy,'' he said.<br><br>THE SIZE OF A DISHWASHER<br><br>In a demonstration for Reuters, a prototype -- roughly the size of a dishwasher -- was run for around 10 minutes using four 12-volt car batteries as an initial power source.<br><br>Emitting a steady motorized hum, the machine powered three 100-watt light bulbs for the duration.<br><br>A multimeter reading of the batteries' voltage before the device started up showed a total of 48.9 volts. When it was switched off, a second reading showed 51.2 volts, indicating that, somehow, they had been reimbursed.<br><br>The machine went on to run for around two hours while photographs were taken, with no diminution in the brightness of the light bulbs, which remained lit during a short power cut.<br><br>''The draw on the batteries was estimated at more than 4.5 kilowatts. With any existing technology the batteries would have been drained flat in one and a half minutes,'' the inventor said.<br><br>Modern theories of zero point energy have their roots in quantum physics and encompass the fraught areas of ''anti-gravity machines'' and ''advanced propulsion'' research.<br><br>Contributors to the debate range from serious exponents of quantum science to those who insist free energy secrets have been imparted to them by aliens. Still others seem convinced the U.S. government is conspiring to suppress such discoveries.<br><br>Nick Cook, aerospace consultant to Janes Defense Weekly and author of ''The Hunt for Zero Point'' is not as quick as some to dismiss the possibilities.<br><br>''Zero point energy has been proven to exist,'' he told Reuters. ''The question is whether it can be tapped to provide usable energy. And to that end, I think it's possible, yes. There are a lot of eminent scientists now involved in this field and they wouldn't be if there wasn't anything to it.''<br><br>''In my experience opinion in this field is extremely polarized ... people either go with this area of investigation in their minds or they don't, and if they don't they tend to pooh-pooh it vehemently. It's very difficult to get an objective assessment,'' he said.<br><br>''Basically, no one wants to be the first to stick his head above the parapet.''<br><br>Impervious to scepticism, Jasker's makers see the first practical application of their technology as a stand-alone generator for home use, although the automotive industry could also be a near-term target given the huge investment in developing substitutes for gasoline-fueled engines.<br><br>With world oil reserves running down, there is mounting urgency in the quest for alternatives.<br><br>If the Jasker men really are onto something, it could be the most important Irish invention since Guinness.<br><br>REUTERS 10:22 01-22-02<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>


PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:36 pm
by Peachtree Pam
Hi,<br><br>Anti and I have missed your posts. Glad to see you back!<br>Pam <p></p><i></i>

Free Energy

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:53 pm
by nomo
I'm obviously no physicist, but it sounds like the CIA might be on to something, whereas the Jasker thing just sounds like it might belong on this list:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>You know, rigorous, and intuition, and all that. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.<br> <p>--<br>When all else fails... panic.</p><i></i>

no clue on the jasker stuff

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:32 pm
by glubglubglub
but the CIA just sounds like a mini solar/windpower setup they can parachute in and set up remote operations facilities 'in the bush' quickly, so it's not terribly interesting. <p></p><i></i>

The Plot Thickens.......

PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:19 pm
by JD
Ok this is getting interesting. <br><br>Virginia based company selling to the CIA? Got some dots to connect to this.<br><br>Good God, must start with a “friend of a friend” story.<br><br>A while back, a friend of mine living in Edmonton Canada bought made acquaintance with someone who said he knew one of his customers was involved with a company that had developed a “cold-fusion” kind of technology. The salesman stated this company had been selling this technology to “the Pentagon”.<br><br>Hmmmm. A quick Google search revealed this – an Edmonton based company that claims to be providing clean energy solutions that sound a whole hell of a lot like something revolutionary. They claim that one has been put in place nearby Edmonton. A look at the company’s website shows that it is in my opinion dramatically underplaying what would be an earth-shattering technology if true. Very odd that a company in this state wouldn’t over-promote as opposed to under-promote. Furthermore, the company has offices in NV which I assume is North VIRGINIA. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=""></a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Yes really interesting. Sounds like a road trip to the Norwood Foundry may be in order. <br> <p></p><i></i>

NV is not Northern Virginia

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 9:22 am
by anonymouse
NV is Nevada. also .. 150 Kilowatts from a small solar + wind unit seems like a lot... <p></p><i></i>


PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 12:59 pm
by JD
Nevada - duhhhhhh<br><br>Not American, sorry! (not much of an excuse but hey will take what I can get<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src= ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> )<br><br>Your observation about 150KW being too much power generation via solar/wind for such a small package is bang on.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

without knowing how many hours, though, it's a bit tough

PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:11 pm
by glubglubglub
too see how impressive that is. IE:<br><br>parachute in a mini rain-collector, plus some wind gadgets and solar cells, and collect a month or two's worth of rain -> split to hydrogen -> burned for a few hours...if these are generating a continuous 150KW in perpetuity that's impressive, but if these are just 'scatter in obscure locales in advance' devices that are only good for a few hours at peak power it's more reasonable.<br><br>My guess is that if it's a solar+wind device it probably works like I've outlined: left in isolation it either splits water and stores the hydrogen or charges a battery (less likely), and so if enough excess has been stored it puts out up to 150kw in a burst, but under normal operation substantially less.<br><br>If it is 150kw in perpetuity I'd want a couple on my roof as soon as I found out where to buy one. <p></p><i></i>