The Big Chill - winter fuel crisis in the US

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The Big Chill - winter fuel crisis in the US

Postby manxkat » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:31 pm

This article is long and well researched, sad and upsetting. We can argue on this board about Peak Oil, but energy shortages are becoming reality, regardless of the reason. What pisses me off to no end is that the government and the media have done little if anything to warn and prepare us. Not that I'm surprised by that, but it infuriates me anyway. This problem is here now, and no longer deniable.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/biztech/articles/051219/19energy.htm" target="top"><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The Big Chill</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A winter fuel crisis of high prices and shortages could darken homes and factories</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>last paragraph:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Whether because of cost or cold, officials are bracing for human suffering across America this winter. "Forces can come together that turn crisis for some into disaster--that's really what I think we could be looking at this winter," says Iowa energy assistance director McKim. "I hate to sound like the voice of doom, but somebody has to say this stuff. It's just like Hurricane Katrina. They knew it was coming, but little was done to prepare an effective response. And the same thing is happening here."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Heat or Eat?

Postby professorpan » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:02 pm

Bush to the poor -- freeze or starve, you worthless wretches!<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-12-13-heating-bills_x.htm#">www.usatoday.com/news/was...lls_x.htm#</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>--<br><br>Some may face choice: Whether to heat or eat<br><br>By Richard Wolf, USA TODAY<br><br>WASHINGTON — The Bush administration has denied requests from five states to increase food stamps for low-income families facing higher heating bills this winter.<br><br>Maine, New York, Kansas, Virginia and South Carolina sought to raise monthly food stamp allotments by projecting what families will pay to heat their homes. The increases would have ranged from $8 to about $30 a month for families who pay their own utility bills.<br><br>State officials and advocates for the poor said the decision will make it hard for needy families to afford both heat and food. The Energy Department has forecast 25% average increases in heating bills this winter. Research shows that when utility bills rise, some poor families reduce food purchases.<br><br>Robert Greenstein, director of the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, said federal food stamp law says benefits should reflect current costs. "It's effectively cheating low-income families," he said. If the five states' requests had been approved, many others would have followed, he said.<br><br>The Agriculture Department, which runs the food stamp program, said the best solution to rising utility bills is an increase not in food stamps, but in the low-income heating assistance program. The administration supports a $1 billion increase, pending in Congress. Advocates for the poor say as much as $4 billion is needed.<br><br>Jean Daniel, director of public affairs for the Agriculture Department's Food and Nutrition Service, said states can seek an increase in food stamps if they document higher utility bills. That way, she said, the government can "make sure that each individual is getting the right benefit amount ... not too little, not too much."<br><br>The federal food stamp program helps 25.7 million Americans pay for food by giving them an average of $92.70 in purchasing power each month. To be eligible, family income generally must be below 130% of the federal poverty level, or about $25,100 for a family of four.<br><br>At least two states — Maine and New York — said they would appeal the decisions.<br><br>• Barbara Van Burgel, acting director of Maine's Office of Integrated Access and Support, said families are expected to spend about $200 more this winter to heat their homes. "They'll use that cash for heating, and they will have less food on the table," she said.<br><br>• Russell Sykes, deputy commissioner of New York's Office of Temporary and Disability Assistance, said the decision "forces some difficult circumstances on people who have marginal incomes."<br><br>• Duke Storen, director of benefit programs in Virginia, said rising heating bills represent "just as big a crisis for low-income and vulnerable households this winter" as Hurricane Katrina was for Gulf Coast residents.<br><br>James Weill, president of the Food Research and Action Center, said the decision "will force people to choose between heat, medicine and food. ... We know that people will eat less. ... It will have particularly damaging effects on kids, especially poor kids."<br><br>But Daniel said actual figures, not projections, are required. "We also have a responsibility to the taxpayers," she said. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hate to be boring guys.

Postby slimmouse » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:47 pm

<br> But havent we been here before ?<br><br> Isnt it time to collectively start dismissing this entire peak oil thing for the obvious major Lie that it is ?<br><br> Couldnt this "energy shortage" bullshit argument be the spark ?<br><br> There have been uncountable accounts posted on this damn board of alternative energy sources that are cheaper/ free - From Hemp to Carburrettors that can give us 300 mpg to......Aww man, Im so fucking fed up with this argument.<br><br> Kris Millegan has nailed it a couple of times on his responses to Jeffs threads. If your reading this Kris, please post support links.<br><br> PEAK OIL is a lie, because WE DONT FUCKING NEED OIL or GAS or any of these "expensive" commodities. This should be the message were spreading.<br><br> THIS SHOULD BE THE REAL DISCUSSION HERE. RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW.<br><br> And incidentally, at the risk of becoming all "New age" - another fallacious meme invented by the PTB as an excuse for suppressing some home truths - Oil is the blood of Mother Earth. Cos shes a living organism too.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 12/14/05 6:53 pm<br></i>
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Re: Hate to be boring guys.

Postby professorpan » Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:27 pm

Slimmouse,<br><br>I understand what you're saying. Of course the discussion should be how to make an immediate transition to sustainable energy sources.<br><br>My post was another illustration of the Bush Cult's genocidal war against the poor. It's fucking cold right now on the East Coast, and although states are asking for assistance to help poor people stay warm, Bush, Cheney, and their pals -- all undoubtedly warm and toasty -- are telling the poor to fuck off and freeze.<br><br>Maybe we don't need more examples of atrocities, but I found that one particularly galling. That's why I posted -- not to discuss Peak Oil, or the need for sustainable energy.<br><br>I do agree that everyone should be clamoring for new energy policies. Understanding the cruelty of our oil-based economy is one way to get people's attention. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Heat or Eat?

Postby heath7 » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:32 pm

It never stops being amazing how cold and heartless Bush is. <br><br>WHY?!?! Why can't people see how inhuman he is? <br><br>George W. Bush, you are as despicable as a human can be. That you have ever had any authority over so much as your own children is a crime against nature. I don't want to believe that there is any such thing as hell, but I pray to God he's got something in mind for your evil, evil ass, and all your buddies too. You epitomize the reason for humanity's slow, grief-stricken, painfully arduous evolution. If humanity is ever forced to extinction, I'm sure the blame will lie at the feet of the likes of you (and the billions of us who let his likes command so much as control over their own bodies). <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Big Chill - winter fuel crisis in the US

Postby gloworm » Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:02 pm

Yes, tuning up/getting the US sheeples psyched up to the oil war is more intuitively visible. There is an excellent web site called Cheniere.org by Dr. Tom Bearden-- a lot of quantum physics regarding his work on completely FREE energy based on,ok - my words - fourth dimension magnetic something, but he also has Wisdom and there is a lot of political-energy info. Over all there is a lot of free math info - if you are able to grasp that stuff and his MEG machine is the one big oil butt buster. <p></p><i></i>
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re: critiques

Postby hanshan » Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:10 pm

<br><br>Bush & co.<br><br>anthropomorphosising <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>the other</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.auracan.com/images/festivals/ExpoSorel/DanseMacabre.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Warm Up!

Postby Connut » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:10 pm

zno need tobe cold with this great little book - Sunshine to Dollars. I spent $20 buck to get some of the most practical information on heat generation and energy conservation I've ever seen. Get a roll of black plastic and get warm fast. The author lives in Michigan so I trust his info - it won't make your home pretty but it will keep you warm. Cheers, Connut <p></p><i></i>
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Thanks for the suggestion

Postby professorpan » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:44 am

Connut, I'll check into that book -- sounds interesting. Thanks for the tip. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Thanks for the suggestion

Postby marykmusic » Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:30 am

The War on the Poor didn't start recently, and certainly not with W Bush. There has long been an agenda to keep the lower classes down. Look at the living conditions during the Industrial Revolution! And that was before food stamps, Social Security, anything.<br><br>The Black Plague was one of the best things that happened to the "civilized" world in its day: there suddenly was a shortage of labor, so the laborers began to get better treatment all around... those who survived. THis was the beginning of a real middle class.<br><br>And the War on the Poor these days isn't only about people on food stamps. EVERYbody is having a harder time making ends meet. Wetbacks from Mexico and beyond are bigger, better educated... middle class people compared to the short little peons with high-percentage Indian blood <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>mojados</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> of thirty years ago. (Okay, this is a big issue here on the Southern border, but I feel these things are inter-related.) --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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bearden :big pinch of salt

Postby lurker » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:54 am

his maths is reportedly bollox,he has never demonstrated a working scalar device,he is suspiciously connected to other dubious liars like hoagland and stephen greer.<br><br>Personally i am very suspicious of bearden. <p></p><i></i>
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bearden :big pinch of salt

Postby lurker » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:56 am

also his doctorate is reported to be bogus he bought it or made it up <p></p><i></i>
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Re: bearden :big pinch of salt

Postby professorpan » Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:34 pm

Yuck -- can we avoid calling illegal immigrants "wetbacks"? I'm not a fan of language police, but that word makes me cringe. <p></p><i></i>
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Forgot to add the link

Postby Connut » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:10 pm

as well as spell checking apparently!<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.knowledgepublications.com/sunshine_to_dollars_google_adwords2.htm">www.knowledgepublications...words2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: bearden :big pinch of salt

Postby gloworm » Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:48 am

Hmmm. Hoagland, Greer, Bearden and UFO's --are we in the right discussion thread? Skepticism is healthy! Having read most of his(Bearden's) published webpage correspondence I sensed that he was genuine, his knowledge of math is certainly genuine and he has a bone to pick with the traditionalist calculation of energy in space. And yes, such a MEG free energy machine is along the lines of hope looking for some temporary relief from our mega corporate controls and on my gut intuitive level I feel it is probably a potential future real deal. As for lining up with these UFO folk - it indeed seems incongruous. Another incongruity on his webpage was on the matter of the defined and calculated life/matter of the soul after death. 2 topics that do allow for healthy skepticism. While on the other hand, it is good intuition nutrition to consider the scaler and other very hi-tech weaponry which so many around the world today sense is a very big reality. And Bearden's heart at least is in the right place - "America, wake-up" <p></p><i></i>
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