another space drive story... this one FTL capable...

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another space drive story... this one FTL capable...

Postby anotherdrew » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:10 pm

I posted about the mysterious em-drive awhile back and now here's another development... a faster than light capable 'warp' drive that the US air force is showing remarkable interest in. So, perhaps these stories are cover to explain the invention of tech they already secretly have. Perhaps we're getting close to a disclosure of some sort.<br><br>Welcome to Mars express: only a three hour trip<br>IAN JOHNSTON SCIENCE CORRESPONDENT<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=16902006">news.scotsman.com/scitech...d=16902006</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>AN EXTRAORDINARY "hyperspace" engine that could make interstellar space travel a reality by flying into other dimensions is being investigated by the United States government.<br><br>The hypothetical device, which has been outlined in principle but is based on a controversial theory about the fabric of the universe, could potentially allow a spacecraft to travel to Mars in three hours and journey to a star 11 light years away in just 80 days, according to a report in today's New Scientist magazine.<br><br>The theoretical engine works by creating an intense magnetic field that, according to ideas first developed by the late scientist Burkhard Heim in the 1950s, would produce a gravitational field and result in thrust for a spacecraft.<br><br>Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.<br><br>The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy - which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine - say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.<br><br>Professor Jochem Hauser, one of the scientists who put forward the idea, told The Scotsman that if everything went well a working engine could be tested in about five years.<br><br>However, Prof Hauser, a physicist at the Applied Sciences University in Salzgitter, Germany, and a former chief of aerodynamics at the European Space Agency, cautioned it was based on a highly controversial theory that would require a significant change in the current understanding of the laws of physics.<br><br>"It would be amazing. I have been working on propulsion systems for quite a while and it would be the most amazing thing. The benefits would be almost unlimited," he said.<br><br>"But this thing is not around the corner; we first have to prove the basic science is correct and there are quite a few physicists who have a different opinion.<br><br>"It's our job to prove we are right and we are working on that."<br><br>He said the engine would enable spaceships to travel to different solar systems. "If the theory is correct then this is not science fiction, it is science fact," Prof Hauser said.<br><br>"NASA have contacted me and next week I'm going to see someone from the [US] air force to talk about it further, but it is at a very early stage. I think the best-case scenario would be within the next five years [to build a test device] if the technology works."<br><br>The US authorities' attention was attracted after Prof Hauser and an Austrian colleague, Walter Droscher, wrote a paper called "Guidelines for a space propulsion device based on Heim's quantum theory". <p></p><i></i>
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'The G-Engines are Coming' - headline 1956

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:52 pm

Nick Cook's <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Hunt for Zero Point</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> begins in his office at Jane's Aviation Weekly with someone anonymously dropping a clipping with that headline on his desk. The article reads that "in the United States and Canada, research centers, scientists, designers and engineers are perfecting a way to control gravity - a force infinitely more powerful than the mighty atom. The result of their labors will be antigravity engines working without fuel - weightless airliners and space ships able to travel at 170,000 miles per second."<br><br>The article states the research is supported by the Glenn L Martin Aircraft Company, Bell Aircraft, Lear and several other US firms. It quotes Lawrence Bell as saying they are "already working" on cancelling out gravity. The head of Advanced Programs and VP in charge of the "G-Project" at Martin Aircraft, George S Trimble, adds that manufacturing a gravitational field drive "could be done in about the time it took to build the first atom bomb."<br><br>Cook almost throws it in the waste basket, because almost as soon as such reports were published in '56 it was as though they'd never existed. The research either never happened, was discontinued, or went deep black. Cook, picking up the thread, begins by tracking down Trimble. He asked his media contact friend at Lockheed Martin, Daniella Abelman to look up Trimble without telling her specifically why. She called back soon after, and said that Trimble was alive and retired in Arizona. "Sounds hard as nails, but an amazing guy. He's kinda mystified why you want to talk to him after all this time, but seems okay with it. Like you said, it's historical, right?"<br><br>"Right," Cook said.<br><br>Abelman called back a few days later. "Separated by an ocean and five time zones," Cook writes, "I heard the catch in her breathing."<br><br>"It's Trimble," she said. "The guy just got off the phone to me. Remember how he was fine to do the interview? Well, something's happened. I don't know who this old man is or what he once was, but he told me in no uncertain terms to get off his case. He doesn't want to speak to me and he doesn't want to speak to you, not now, not ever. I don't mind telling you that he sounded scared and I don't like to hear old men scared. It makes me scared. I don't know what you were really working on when you came to me with this, Nick, but let me give you some advice. Stick to what you know about; stick to the damned present. It's better that way for all of us."<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rigorousintuition>Rigorous Intuition</A> at: 1/8/06 5:55 pm<br></i>
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Re: 'The G-Engines are Coming' - headline 1956

Postby anotherdrew » Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:19 pm

the body of raw info seems to suggest that either thay have such tech in hiding, or are willing to work their asses off making it seem like they do when they don't. I'm just not sure I can't buy any of the probable motives for them to stage a cover up of nothing. So... it seems like wishful thinking, but I'm feeling like it's true. Now a lot of possibly bad news is riding in the back seat... but how wonderful if we can realy build such vehicles. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 'The G-Engines are Coming' - headline 1956

Postby marykmusic » Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:32 pm

Grav-lev has been here since the end of WWII. I have seen black-and-white film of German experimental aircraft bouncing along the ground and a few feet into the air... the Nazis were so far along that Project Paperclip was developed to keep 'em working. It was a saucer-shaped craft, too. Hauneby I was on the drawing board in 1939, II in 1943, and III in 1945. Copies of these drawings are in the book <!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline">Reich of the Black Sun </span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END-->ny Joseph P. Farrell. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 'The G-Engines are Coming' - headline 1956

Postby anotherdrew » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:06 pm

one thing I've never heard about is the source for the nazi scientists technology. Nick Pope's recent TV documentary talks about german anti-grav tech but give no hint as to who came up with the theories and technology. Is it generally purported that their ideas came from human invention or is there talk that they had some kind of assistance in the form of wrecks from elsewhere or help from willing others? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 'The G-Engines are Coming' - headline 1956

Postby Dreams End » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:33 pm

Caution: Extreme rambling ahead.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The article reads that "in the United States and Canada, research centers, scientists, designers and engineers are perfecting a way to control gravity - a force infinitely more powerful than the mighty atom.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Well, that part certainly isn't true. Gravity is a very weak force. You can defy it right now by raising your hand! Atomic forces are far stronger, but act on short distances. Very short!<br><br>But what is interesting is that in the 50's, magnetism was seen as the propulsive force behind UFO's. <br><br>The famous Wilber Smith memo comes to mind and, evidently, more pages of that memo uncovered. It is a memo involving the Canadian investigation of UFO's called...Project Magnet:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Draft Of Top Secret UFO Memo Now Public<br><br>Through the diligent research efforts of York University researcher Nick Balaskas, a draft of the original "Project Magnet" Top Secret Memo has been recovered from the Archives at the University of Ottawa. It adds important information to the Wilbert Smith UFO research efforts for the Canadian government.<br><br>The Balaskas discovery not only backs up the contents of what was found in the Project Magnet Top Secret document declassified by the Canadian government in 1979, it adds two new pages to the three researchers were already aware of.<br><br>Wilbert Smith, Senior Radio Engineer in the Canadian Department of Transport, wrote the original Top Secret memo to his superiors in November 1952. The memo was the beginning of the Canadian government official program (Project Magnet) to investigate flying saucers. Wilbert Smith headed up that investigation from December 1950 to August 1954.<br><br>The existence of the Top Secret draft in the Wilbert Smith UFO files is part of the reason that the Canadian government was forced to declassify the Top Secret Memo held in their files.<br><br>Wilbert Smith left the draft in the files to give future researchers the truth of what had actually happened in the early days of government investigation into flying saucers. Dying of cancer, Smith made arrangement with his wife to hide the files so they would survive his death. "They will be coming to recover them," he told his wife Murl.<br><br>As Smith predicted, the Canadians, Americans, and Soviets approached Mrs. Smith requesting the files for research purposes. Mrs. Smith told all callers she no longer had the files. After a number of break-ins that might have been linked to the search for the files, the files were passed on to Arthur Bray, a local Ottawa researcher, who held them quietly for over two decades.<br><br>Bray was aware of the Top Secret memo draft, but was unable to say anything because the copy in the Smith files was still marked Top Secret. Bray held a Navy security clearance and was forced to remain quiet.<br><br>Bray, aware of what was in the files, did however lead the charge to force the government to release all the "Project Magnet" files held by the government. He wrote letters to government ministers and officials telling them where the files would be found.<br><br>The "Project Magnet" Top Secret memo is the key document in the large Smith collection of UFO material, now stored in the archives at the University of Ottawa. In the memo, Smith outlined five key items about flying saucers that he had discovered while in discussions with top U.S. officials working on the flying saucer problem. These were:<br><br> 1) The matter is the most highly classified subject in the United States Government, rating higher than even the H-bomb.<br><br> 2) Flying saucers exist.<br><br> 3) Their modus operandi is unknown but concentrated effort is being made by a small group headed by Vannevar Bush.<br><br> 4) The entire matter is considered by the United States authorities to be of tremendous significance.<br><br> 5) The United States authorities are investigating along quite a number of lines, which might possibly be related to the saucers such as mental phenomena.<br><br>The two newly discovered pages of the November 1952 memo are titled "Project Magnet" and are classified in the draft as "Secret." The new pages read as follows:<br><br>Purpose<br><br>This project is for the purpose of studying magnetic phenomena, particularly those phenomena resulting from unusual boundary conditions in the basic electromagnetic field. There is reason to believe their discovery will open up a new and useful technology.<br><br>Organization<br><br>The initial organization shall be as small as practical and composed of personnel who are used to working together, including so far as possible a variety of research abilities. Laboratory facilities are to be drawn from existing facilities so far as possible. Overall responsibility for the project shall rest with the engineer-in-charge, who shall delegate such responsibility to subordinates as maybe required to carry out the project.<br><br>Program<br><br>The initial program shall include the following avenues of investigations, to which others may be added from time top time as may appear expedient.<br><br> 1. Theoretical study of electromagnetic radiation assuming boundary conditions different from those upon which the conventional theory was developed.<br><br> 2. Laboratory study of mechanical forces associated with electron drift and electric currents in metallic masses.<br><br> 3. Theoretical and laboratory study of magnetic domain resonance conditions in magnetic materials.<br><br> 4. Investigation of the propagation of magnetic wave motion in magnetic materials.<br><br> 5. Investigate the possibility of producing, an effect, a "sink" in a magnetic field.<br><br> 6. Investigate the possibility of producing, in effect, single isolated magnetic poles.<br><br> 7. Investigate the effects of a magnetic field on a rotating curviplaner metallic object.<br><br>Coordination<br><br>Full coordination is to be maintained, within security regulations, with other groups working on a parallel or associated problems. Project reports will be available on a classified basis to suitably accredited groups of individuals.<br><br>Security<br><br>As in the case with most fields of research, it is impossible to assess the results in advance, which might be obtained through this project. However, there exist certain suspicions that the lesser-known and little explored aspects of magnetism may hold the key to a new and significant technology. Consequently, it is intended to classify this work in it entirety until such time as it can be assessed for its impact on our civilization.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.presidentialufo.com/top_secret_draft.htm">www.presidentialufo.com/t..._draft.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Copies of the actual memo are on the site.<br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Looking up Heim himself...wow! The guy lost his eyes AND his hearing AND both hands in an accident, but still kept working! <br><br>The science is over my head but this all brings up an interesting point or two.<br><br>First, I've always completely dismissed the "THEY are too far away to visit US, given speed of light restrictions etc." Since, for many years scientists have entertained theoretical ways of breaking the light speed barrier, it suggested to me that if we can theorize about it while still putting folks in orbit with unwieldy thrust propulsion, surely a civilization not THAT far advanced over ours will have made progress.<br><br>Secondly, I had never heard of Heim. Had I, I would never have dismissed the above memo from Smith as making no sense. I couldn't understand why everyone was focusing on MAGNETISM. This seemed an unlikely avenue of faster than light propulsion. This merely demonstrates my ignorance.<br><br>But more importantly, the above memo, especially coupled with this story about the Heim drive, suggests that the memo is exactly accurate. It was the fifties in which UFO investigation was not only respectable, but engaged in by very high level scientists and military types. <br><br>Here's Richard Dolan on the history of UFO secrecy, and the paragraph of interest is below about the CIA destruction of the finest civilian UFO investigation group, NICAP.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Clearly, this was an issue considered to be of the utmost seriousness. As a result, it was not a topic ordinary citizens could simply waltz into and get easy answers. Observe what happened to the most dangerous of all civilian organizations: the National Investigative Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP). Founded in 1956 with the goal of ending UFO secrecy, it was quickly and secretly infiltrated by "ex-CIA" officers involved in CIA psychological warfare operations. The most important of them, Colonel Joseph Bryan, was the key player in the ouster of Director Donald Keyhoe in 1969. A succession of CIA men then ran NICAP into the ground. Needless to say, no one outside the Agency knew of their CIA connections.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://keyholepublishing.com/science.htm">keyholepublishing.com/science.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Dolan's book, UFO's and the National Security State is a very good collection of the connectiong between...well I guess the title gives that away.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>UFOlogy never regained the level of respectability it had under NICAP.<br><br>So, one theory is that we take all this at face value. In the fifties, breakthroughs were made in the understanding of UFO's and Bluebook, CIA takeover of NICAP and whole host of other intel games were put into place as disinformation cover. This is a very "nuts and bolts" hypothesis, despite a lot of high weirdness involving UFO's. However, if we are truly talking about penetrating other dimensions, I doubt we can even envision what that really means.<br><br>Another theory is that much of these "releases" of information are designed to keep the UFO story alive. Because the OTHER UFO phenomenon in the fifties was the beginning of the "contactee" movement, with its connections to Nazi Silver shirts and various channeled "space brothers" of questionable intent. The fifites were also, if Puharich can be believed, when the "nine" first made contact. (We only have his word for it, as far as I know. I think the reference is in his book on Uri Geller. Willing to be corrected on this if others know differently.)<br><br>It's occured to me that much of this UFO/space brother disinfo is not about hiding the truth but creating a myth (as well as maybe hiding some military experiments.) And this myth...well, we've been over all of that. A rightwing movement, perhaps even believing their own myths, has been at the backbone of these stories for decades. And it dovetails with the occult world quite well since these space brothers often bring messages not dissimilar from those of Mme Blavatsky, et al. <br><br>It's also possible, of course, that both are equally true. UFO's came to visit, crazy fascists concocted space brother stories. <br><br>I'm also fairly certain that many of the UFO cults were manipulated, created or, at the very least, studies by psyops types. Again, however, much of this could be independent of the reality of UFO's. Or, it could even be that the CIA or Airforce intelligence, who seem to be behind much of the UFO disinfo, are experimenting with how the UFO reality might affect people. I recall one incident in which researcher Linda Moulton Howe was reportedly taken to an Airforce base by Richard Doty (Falcon of the "aviary") and shown documents purporting to relate the story of extraterrestrial involvement throughout human history. Doty is also the one who leaked bogus UFO information to Paul Bennewitz, which put Bennewitz in the loony bin and UFOlogy in a further crisis of confidence.<br><br>For a fascinating look at the interconnections of UFOlogy, remote viewing and the military and even aspects of the occult, try this:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.think-aboutit.com/ufo/aviary_the_aquarium.htm">www.think-aboutit.com/ufo...uarium.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>We are not asked to believe the literal truth of this story by the author. In fact, it could simply be a well catalogued account of misinformation. <br><br>To get back on topic a bit, I think that this article, assuming it's not just a plant, does give the ole "nuts and bolts" theory of UFO phenomena a boost. After all, if we can even THINK about building such a vehicle in five years...give us 100 and we'll be darting not just to space but perhaps back in time. Intradimensional olympics...can they be far behind?<br> <br>Still we should be alert to the games that are played involving UFO's. And even though this particular article doesn't mention them at all, it could be part of that game. I, for one, would be surprised to see the airforce ANNOUNCE even the potential development of such an engine. <br><br>So, here's part of me hoping that this is all exactly what it purports to be and we are on the edge of a breakthough...either real or as a way to explain back-engineered technology from a recovered E.T. vehicle (for advanced civilizations, they sure crash a lot...). And here's another part of me that says that when it comes to UFO's, military technology, etc...nothing is EVER how it appears.<br><br>-----end ramble----<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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