by wintler » Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:48 pm
Dreams end: cross post, no drama. But i notice you still haven't attempted any answer of my question as to how this 'vast conspiracy' works in even the vaguest details. <br><br>You said "All the countries are either conspiring to promote fake peak or conspiring to cover up real peak. Either way, it's a "vast conspiracy". <br><br>Not true, no vast conspiracy is required for humans to not recognised the peak, simply our natural bias to assume tomorrow will be like today and to blame other humans for any and all problems. e.g. Most yanks still don't even know their country peaked thirty years ago even as they blame the arabs and/or oil co's for oil prices. The US govt seemed genuinely surprised when US peaked, else why were they so exposed and unprepared for the subsequent '73 & '79 OPEC-created oil shocks. <br><br>"To you, it looks like a cover up...and that requires conspiring. "<br><br>Not true again. Its possible theres an effort to cover up the peak (no solid evidence either way imho), but plain old human self interest and fear suffice. You really think the CEO of Shell is going to come out and say "this irreplacable resource we're flogging off cheap to you now will cost alot more and be less available before long, and then run out" - Shells stock price would crash as investors think "then how are you going to pay for that new refinery/pipeline/well", "Shell wont and can't grow in value", "time to get into biodiesel" etc. It would be financial suicide, so much easier to stick with the carefully constructed fantasy coming out of the USDOE, USGS and the IEA. Uncertainty is the great rear-guard defence of capitalism, e.g tobacco & cancer, asbestosis, climate change, ozone hole, all problems that commerce denied for decades before having to admit their truth.<br><br>Similarly the first President to clearly say "next year there will be less energy and growth will probably be negative, everybody will have less" will be the next dead president. You know anyone who votes for less? Denial is so much the easier road, and we all know how much most humans like the easy paths that don't challenge their assumptions.<br><br><br>DE:"But if Peak is real...where are all the alarms form the oil companies you suggest are "independent" of the U.S. conglomerates?"<br>Err, try looking...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/416F7BA6-90FC-48E6-8F4C-CA30FDD6EB39.htm">english.aljazeera.net/NR/...D6EB39.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>The death of cheap crude by Adam Porter<br> ...Ali Bakhtiari, head of strategic planning at the Iranian National Oil Company (NIOC), dismisses the media chat, as just that.<br>"Cheap oil is dead. You are never going to see oil priced at $25 a barrel again. These high prices, yes, they are exacerbated by Yukos, Iraq and so on, but more importantly they are a sign that we have major structural problems with supply. <br>...Then there is the Saudi Arabian angle. Another major oil figure, the recently retired executive vice president of Saudi Aramco, Sadad al-Hussaini, has frightened the markets with recent articles in Oil & Gas Journal.<br> In them he cites "proven developed reserves" of Saudi Arabia at only "130bn barrels", half of what Saudi Arabia normally claims to have underground. A lack of transparency over reserve figures, many of which are thought to be groundless, has further undermined confidence in oil producers to match demand.<br>Add to this that Russia's oil minister has claimed that Russian output will fall in 2005 and that Indonesia became the first OPEC country to admit, in June, that it had become a net importer and one can see the underlying trend.(4 August 2004)<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1230-04.htm">www.commondreams.org/head...230-04.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Oil Market Analysts Issue Dire Warnings - Humberto Márquez, Inter Press Service via Common Dreams<br>CARACAS - While this year's record high oil prices are unlikely to come down in the near future, analysts are warning the world's traditional and emerging economic powers to curb consumption, saying that at the current rate, proven reserves will only meet demand up to 2030. "The current model (of consumption) is suicidal," says the energy minister of Venezuela, an OPEC member.<br>(30 December 2005)<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.antara.co.id/en/seenws/index.php?id=5415">news.antara.co.id/en/seen...hp?id=5415</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>RI`OIL TO RUN OUT IN NEXT 15 YEARS: PRESIDENT YUDHOYONO SAYS <br>President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono said that in the next 15 years the crude oil reserves in Indonesia would run out if there were no more new oil fields had been discovered. (28 July 2005) <br><br>In last 2 years Indo has peaked, stopped exporting, and is now importing much more oil than it can afford, and hence has periodic riots over cuts to fuel subsidies. Note these are all from NATIONAL oil co's, not listed companies, comprende?<br><br>--<br><br>Those detemined to keep the focus on M.Ruppert i find hard to treat charitably, poisoning the well is such a frequent strategy of what i believe to be our common enemies. <br><br>I look forward to someone, ANYONE, attempting answers to ANY of my questions about how this "vast conspiracy" of peak oil works, and wont bother to rebut further misrepresentation and wilful ignorance (not a dig at DE). <br>All i've heard so far is "M.Ruppert is a flake, R.Heinberg is sus', and C.Campbell used to work for oil companies". Thats your vast conspiracy?!<br><br> <p></p><i></i>