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Re: mistake

Postby wintler » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:08 am

Newkid sez "For the last time, I'm not here to make the anti-peak oil case."<br><br>Then why say "At best, peak oil is wild speculation. Much more likely it's sensational disinformation fed to gullible idiots like Wintler who probably moved out into the wilderness suckered by Y2K end of the world scams."<br>?<br> <br>Keep wriggling Newkid, keep smearing and keep requoting JD. Who, Smithtalk, apparently lives in that epicentre of oil production, Japan. If you're really interested in JD's circular innumeracy, search for 'johndenver' on peakoil.com, where you'll find him enthusing about space mirrors, thousands of new and novel nuclear reactors, and helium tankers from Mars, before he ran away with his tail between his legs and started that blog). I suspect JD would still be a 'peaker' if only other peakers hadn't kept asking pointed questions about how, why, how again, and WTF?!<br><br>Oh, and keep banging on about Simmons NK, and pretending he is particularly significant. He's not, he's just a semi-acceptable talking head who (surprise surprise) gets alot of coverage in the right-biased US media. He did of course conduct a fairly serious review of Saudi petroleum journal papers (see his book 'Twilight in the Desert'), but i already know you aren't interested in discussing information, just your opinion. <br>I hated what DE had to say about Heinberg, but DE put it there on the page and i had/have to admit there was smoke and quite possibly a fire - kudo's to him. You, however, have done nothing but rerun 1 very weak blog.<br><br>The only thing i got out of this thread was pleasing reminder of some other readers scepticism, and the consolation that i didn't sink to the abuse NK seems to habitually hand out. Are you sure you're not JD of peakoildebunked yourself NK? He frequently got nasty when cornered. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: mistake

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:49 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Newkid sez "For the last time, I'm not here to make the anti-peak oil case." <br><br>Then why say "At best, peak oil is wild speculation. Much more likely it's sensational disinformation fed to gullible idiots like Wintler who probably moved out into the wilderness suckered by Y2K end of the world scams."<br>?<br><br>Keep wriggling Newkid, keep smearing and keep requoting JD. Who, Smithtalk, apparently lives in that epicentre of oil production, Japan. If you're really interested in JD's circular innumeracy, search for 'johndenver' on peakoil.com, where you'll find him enthusing about space mirrors, thousands of new and novel nuclear reactors, and helium tankers from Mars, before he ran away with his tail between his legs and started that blog). I suspect JD would still be a 'peaker' if only other peakers hadn't kept asking pointed questions about how, why, how again, and WTF?!<br><br>Oh, and keep banging on about Simmons NK, and pretending he is particularly significant. He's not, he's just a semi-acceptable talking head who (surprise surprise) gets alot of coverage in the right-biased US media. He did of course conduct a fairly serious review of Saudi petroleum journal papers (see his book 'Twilight in the Desert'), but i already know you aren't interested in discussing information, just your opinion. <br>I hated what DE had to say about Heinberg, but DE put it there on the page and i had/have to admit there was smoke and quite possibly a fire - kudo's to him. You, however, have done nothing but rerun 1 very weak blog.<br><br>The only thing i got out of this thread was pleasing reminder of some other readers scepticism, and the consolation that i didn't sink to the abuse NK seems to habitually hand out. Are you sure you're not JD of peakoildebunked yourself NK? He frequently got nasty when cornered. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>You really can't read or write the English language very well can you? What part about check his cites don't you understand? And what part about Smithtalk's question asking for evidence that Simmons was a charlatan don't you understand? You see, that was the question Wintler. That's why we're talking about Simmons. When someone asks a question, the other person answers it. That's what the question called for. See how this works? <br> <br>Space mirrors and the rest of the incoherent drivel in your comment have nothing to do with anything. <br><br>And no, saying peak oil is wild speculation doesn't mean I'm making the anti peal oil case either, Wintler. If you were right, Wintler, I'd agree with you, so please, stop wasting my time with your idiocy. <br> <br>If you don't like the PeakOildebunked guy, great, I don't really care. If you want to believe in Peak Oil, great, I don't really care. <br><br>Now Wintler, I like you and all, but I'm going to give you the same friendly advice Dream's End gave DarkBeforeDawn in the Franklin/Larouche section:<br><br>Get the fuck off this thread. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby darkbeforedawn » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:51 pm

I think your writing is just fine given the format. More importantly, your thinking is clear logical and quite quite accurate. Apparently you have made someone completely lose his cool. Next he will be dissecting your handwriting. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wintler

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:03 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I think your writing is just fine given the format. More importantly, your thinking is clear logical and quite quite accurate. Apparently you have made someone completely lose his cool. Next he will be dissecting your handwriting. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>DBD, you made yourself look like an idiot chiming in on 9-11 in this thread, which was totally off topic. You've made yourself look like an idiot with your Gerard Holmgren silliness in another thread. If I were you, I'd cut my losses. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: mistake

Postby professorpan » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:04 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Get the fuck off this thread.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Now that's the way to fuel a constructive debate.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: mistake

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:09 pm

Pan, I'm not interested in a peak oil debate, and Wintler and everyone else's comments have managed to completely miss the point of the thread. You see, there is a big difference between the question of whether something is true, and how we know whether something is true. I think that should be clear by now. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: mistake

Postby darkbeforedawn » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:25 pm

No, you would like to think I made myself look like an idiot. In both cases, others had already brought up the topic. You were the one who mentioned the 9-11 commission report and the "fact" that it did nothing to prove 9-11 was an inside job. I do not think that any reference to 9-11 made anywhere should be done without the disclaimer "Inside Job". We have been subject to five years of abuse, murder, genocide, torture and the dismantleing of our rights all on the basis that arabs and terrorists did 9-11. This cannot ever be let pass anywhere, as far as I am concerned. Not one more day. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: mistake

Postby NewKid » Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:06 pm

Sure I agree, but you know me DBD, I'm not an official story guy. BTW, DBD, it's increasingly clear to me that the reason people in important areas aren't speaking out is that they're given the talk that it would be too disruptive to the country. I think that's how they got a lot of people to go along. Especially if the Tarpley invisible govt thesis is right. If Bush had his security stripped at the school and people knew codes on air force one and stuff, that must have scared the shit out of them. You're talking about a major major event dealing with who controls the US govt, and I can easily see people just not "going there" so to speak about 9-11. Of course, there's also the you'll get fired/peer pressure stuff too. <p></p><i></i>
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substance

Postby wintler » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:05 am

In a radical departure from Newkids style, wanted to point out Heinbergs essay/book chapter:<br><br>George W. Bush and Peak Oil: Beyond Incompetence<br><br>"While it would be difficult to create an airtight legal case for impeaching George W. Bush based on his ignoring the very real threat posed by Peak Oil, nevertheless I believe that his actions—and inaction—in this regard constitute dereliction of duty on an unprecedented scale. ..."<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guerrillanews.com/articles/2185/George_W_Bush_and_Peak_Oil_Beyond_Incompetence">www.guerrillanews.com/art...competence</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>which i feel douses the "peakers are politically apathetic scaredy cats" idea that has been floated on RI more than once. <br>Its got some great links in the references too, including to the full text of Cheneys 1999 invite-only speech where he tacitly admits we're all in a pile of trouble.<br><br>If Heinberg is a baddie, how come he makes such a solid case, at a time when most in the "home of the brave" are still too scared to even mention impeachment? (i'm for a lynching myself). <p></p><i></i>
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Re: substance

Postby Dreams End » Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:30 pm

wintler, that proves nothing. Some of the loudest voices against Bush are people you'd NEVER want to ally with. larouche is one example we've been discussing, but folks much worse than I even made Heinberg out to be are doing the same. This "enemy of my enemy" is therefore factually correct theme is not logical and the idea that someone is on our side if he's against Bush is also not logical. <br><br>Secondly, if "peak Oil" is the issue with which he wants to impeach Bush, then Bush will happily spend the rest of his time in office. <br><br>I assume that Heinberg is quite sincere in his beliefs. 10 years in a cult will do that for you. (Emissaries of Divine Light...good luck getting info on THEM, I haven't had much luck). <p></p><i></i>
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mistake

Postby darkbeforedawn » Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:54 pm

In reference to your remarks, NK, it sounds as if you are actully supporting suppressing the truth so that we don't rock the boat too much. "SH-h-h-h, don't look at it, if it doesn't see us watching it, it will let us live." I personally don't want to live that way. The truth must come out and we have to prepare for whatever that may mean. I think that you are trying to insinuate that those suppressing the truth (mainly the media in this case) actually have our best interests in mind. I doubt that hightly, especially seeing how they pushed into this devastating war and now seem to want to start more. Who exactly to those benefit? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: substance

Postby MANIIK » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:11 pm

Hi all,<br><br>i am new to this board and have been lurking for awhile. I read all of the answers to Nk's post and i tend to agree with him. i don't want to dismiss Peak Oil as a hoax, but i think it certainly is hyped during the last year. The timing if its surfacing in the mainstream media, the independence from the 'old boys' oilnetwork of some the peak oil whistleblowers, the way it fits into the agenda of the powers that be, it all seems to me that Peak oil is going to be used for the manouvring into a worlwide economic crises. It seems like economical kamikaze to you ? it is ! Final goal : economic collapse of the USA.<br>Combine this with the 911 coverup which will cost Bush & his neoconvicts their heads, you'll have all the ingredients for martail law, civil war etc.<br>The leaders of the USA, Israel and Iran are all on an messianistic, apocalyptic course, waving their holy books as they're moving the last pieces pieces on the board in place.<br><br>Cheers nevertheless,<br><br>maniik <br><br>BTW, i am from the Netherlands ( Amsterdam) so excuse me for having such a oversimplified view on world politics ..<br>I tend to smoke too much, i must confess <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :smokin --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: substance

Postby NewKid » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:10 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In reference to your remarks, NK, it sounds as if you are actully supporting suppressing the truth so that we don't rock the boat too much. "SH-h-h-h, don't look at it, if it doesn't see us watching it, it will let us live." I personally don't want to live that way. The truth must come out and we have to prepare for whatever that may mean. I think that you are trying to insinuate that those suppressing the truth (mainly the media in this case) actually have our best interests in mind. I doubt that hightly, especially seeing how they pushed into this devastating war and now seem to want to start more. Who exactly to those benefit?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>DBD, we should probably go to another thread for this, but no, I don't endorse that. My point was that I think that's what people in elite circles are thinking/have thought. I want to try to get a hand around why so many intelligent people profess to believe or tacitly agree with the silliness of the official story. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: substance

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