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Alternative energy researchers threatened?

Postby jingofever » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:10 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://pesn.com/2006/06/02/9500276_Water_fuel_experimenter_threatened/">pesn.com/2006/06/02/95002...hreatened/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>VENTURA COUNTY, CALIFORNIA, USA -- On May 16, a technician who was one of a team of garage experimenters investigating a hydrogen-on-demand technology was run off the road near a rural intersection and accosted by four white, middle-aged males in black suits, carrying Glocks and Mac tens. The assailants were driving a late model, black Lincoln Town Car.<br><br>This comes just one month after Bill Williams was similarly threatened because of his alleged experimentation with running a vehicle on a Joe cell.<br><br>The victim in this latest incident is an associate of New Energy Congress member, Ken Rasmussen, who had been working together with him on the project. Rasmussen also runs an alternative energy news service at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.commutefaster.com/Energy.html">www.commutefaster.com/Energy.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>A week before the incident, Rasmussen learned of the work being done by Professor Kanarev in Russia. Both use a pulsed signal, and both were seeing similar performance rates. Kanarev holds multiple patents, and is widely published. A day before the incident, a person who was interested in funding the project of Rasmussen et al., and who had been trying to reach him since November, had finally made contact.<br><br>Rasmussen reported the incident for the first time publicly in his news today. He said, "As editor of this page, my life has now been threatened by 2 loaded guns pointed in the face of a good friend."<br><br>"Using information which could only have been obtained by monitoring digital cell phones and e-mail, the assailants portrayed to the victim that they had total control over his personal life, and was told to remain silent and to not talk to government authorities." He was told that if he did not comply, a family member would be killed. The assailants produced extensive details about this target family member. The threat also included himself, his family and all associates if he did not stop work on the process immediately. The threats made actually applied broadly to anyone working on overunity.<br><br>"I'm breaking the story to warn others who might be involved in similar technologies," said Rasmussen.<br><br>Obeying the threats made to him, the person threatened has stopped all work on the project. "When happy people start acting silent and paranoid, friends get suspicious," said Rasmussen, who waited to publish this account until the necessary measures had been taken to protect the lives of those directly threatened in the incident.<br><br>At the time of the assault, Rasmussen had been in discussion with several pre-screened, suitable investors, who were waiting on Rasmussen's team to fix a final detail before attending a live demonstration.<br><br>Rasmussen addressed them publicly in today's report, saying: "For any of my previous business contacts reading this, please excuse the delay. Our lives have been directly threatened if we were to complete the item we were intending to demonstrate for you. All progress is stopped" . . . for now.<br><br>"Enormous amounts of personal information thrown in our face behind the guns proved to me NONE of the prospective investors had anything to do with the violence we experienced. These thugs knew things I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW. Their boss has digital cell phone tapping technology at the very least. Other details were probably obtained by wire tapping neighbors and friend's phones too."<br><br>In closing, Rasmussen said, "We have this kind warning to fellow experimenters who try to challenge the conventional physics being taught to students around the world. Challenge the system, the system that says oil is god, and there are paid mafia goons all over the world who will stop you for a few measly dollars. We know, because we met their guns face to face. Please continue your noble research, but PLEASE PLEASE watch your backside."<br><br>Rasmussen's words to the assailants were that if anyone were harmed, the plans for this technology would be plastered all over the Internet. He believes that cowering to bullies is not good policy.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Given what the last paragraph states, should we be hoping that someone gets harmed, for the sake of humanity? <p></p><i></i>
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hahaha.

Postby slimmouse » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:29 pm

<br><br> But, but, but........theres no such thing as "free energy".<br><br> Have you not seen those mocking such Ideas on here ?<br><br> Stand back and enjoy the view lol. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby Quentin Quire » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:32 pm

'Alternative energy researchers threatened?'<br><br>I'm sure Tesla in spinning in his grave ...<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>BTW - sarcasm discounted I think it's quite feasible someone on Earth invented free energy a while back. If conventional scientific thinking is 10-20 years behind Black Budget technology and they've only just mentioned Zero Point energy then we've had it for a while ... <p></p><i></i>
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The same thing happened...

Postby johnny nemo » Wed Jun 07, 2006 7:41 pm

..to a guy who was working on another "free energy" device called the Joe Cell<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Bill_Williams'_Joe_Cell" target="top">Joe Cell Wiki</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The same thing happened...

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Jun 07, 2006 10:51 pm

I have not seen any evidence that Joe cells are more than electrolysis units. I've watched the videos and remain unconvinced.<br><br>You can run a "Joe cell" and feed the hydrogen back into the engine but you'll never get more energy than you put into the system. There are, in fact, commercial units for sale that do just that. They make the claim that it helps the combustion proccess but again, you'll never get more out than is put in.<br><br>That said, I am keeping my mind open in this particular case. Show me how it works and show a proper study with no tricks and I'll believe it. <p></p><i></i>
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What i dont understand.

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:11 am

<br> What I dont understand about this "you cant get out more than you put in " stuff with regards to water, is that people cant seem to get it into their heads that the WATER is a fuel.<br><br> I mean, If I was to put a little match to a lake of Gasoline,could I get more energy out than I put in there ? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What i dont understand.

Postby jingofever » Thu Jun 08, 2006 3:16 pm

Sure, a lake of gasoline will release more energy than a single match. But what you cannot do is feed that energy back into the system and have it self-sustained. <p></p><i></i>
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re: water is a fuel

Postby DireStrike » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:22 pm

Water is NOT a fuel. Water is a compound that contains several potential fuels. Energy is required to go from water to hydrogen + helium.<br><br>The lake of gasoline analogy is a bad one - it would be something more like building matches out of wood and phosphate, then walking 2 miles to a large warehouse full of individually packed thimbles full of gasoline, each in a locked container behind a locked door.<br><br>The lake of gasoline is a chain reaction - every combusting particle of gasoline contains more than enough energy to start the next particle going, with some left over. That is what makes it a fuel. Unfortunately such substances are rare, and the reactions are one-way. Most of the energy is wasted, too.<br><br>Frankly, even if water were a fuel, I would be worried if someone found out how to burn it. Knowing humans we would hit a point where we could drink or run our society but not both... The sun is still out best bet, once we can figure out how to collect that energy and get it back here. <br><br>Unless one of these magical free energy machines works. If they really did, it wouldn't be that hard to get them spread around. These dumb little demonstrations that so many "researchers" run certainly don't help with that. Any device would boil down to a handful of key concepts that could be sent to thousands of people in an email. Or distributed in letters to a few trusted people who would get out the word in case of your death. Or shouted in the middle of times square.<br><br>Oh wait, how would they make a profit then? I'm sorry, I forgot that individual prosperity is more important to these guys than the state of humanity.<br><br>Or perhaps the conspiracy is in control of every avenue of communication, including yelling in a very public place, and knows exactly what every independent researcher in the world does (which entails knowing everyone who is an independent researcher...)<br><br>Free energy? Zero Point? Maybe "they" have it. It certainly is not out there in the mainstream. If you say it is, then where is it? I can buy that people who are on the right track might be threatened. And maybe there IS a way for the government to track all these people. Why isn't their research made public? If it is, why hasn't anyone built these things yet? If I had any manufacturing capacity at all, and an idea that might provide free energy, it would be at the absolute top of my list of things to make... provided it actually made some sense. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=direstrike>DireStrike</A> at: 6/8/06 2:27 pm<br></i>
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Quit the bullshit gentlemen, please.

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jun 08, 2006 4:40 pm

<br> Water is energy on tap. It is two parts hydrogen, and one part oxygen. find a simple way of separating them and voila.<br><br> Its chemistry for dummies. Dont try baffling folks with "Zero point" science.<br><br> Zero point has fuckall to do with it, and if you guys are "scientists" you know it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Quit the bullshit gentlemen, please.

Postby DireStrike » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:23 pm

I didn't try to baffle anybody with anything. I mentioned zero point exactly once, in passing. I'm not a scientist, but I like to think I can understand things.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>find a simple way of separating them and voila<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Find a simple way to kill HIV/Cancer without killing human tissue and voila. Find a simple way to distribute wealth equally and voila. Find a simple way to eat without killing and voila.<br><br>I'm sure a lot of inventors are thinking on the problem of separating hydrogen and oxygen, especially these days. If there is a such a "simple way", it will probably be discovered. The problem is, until then, water puts fires out, even though there is oxygen in it.<br><br>You implied with your first post in the thread that there is free energy. Even if there were a simple way to separate H2 and O, it would still require energy. The question is whether that energy is less than or equal to, or more than the energy you get by burning the H2 and the O. In no way is it "Free" energy. Never has anything been observed (yet...) that doesn't conform to the laws of thermodynamics. Things can be in high energy states, but once you release that energy they get used up.<br><br>Even if it worked, and there was more energy coming out than going in, we would eventually burn all of our water. And then what would we do?<br><br>(And please not that any references to "burning" water, hydrogen, oxygen are purely metaphoric, meaning to initiate a reaction where the material releases energy.) <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=direstrike>DireStrike</A> at: 6/8/06 3:33 pm<br></i>
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Re: Harassment.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:34 pm

Whether something threatening to energy realpolitik exists or not, it is reasonable to expect that anyone who even comes close would be both monitored and given 'the fear of God' to dissuade any threatening progress.<br><br>I know someone who opened my eyes to this. They knew someone who didn't have 'the answer' but was gaining international attention for pointing there and got the full spook chill treatment. Others they knew socially and professionally with the same intellectual capability and focus also got the equivalent of COINTELPRO threats and economic sabotage.<br><br>The person telling me of this I trust entirely. It is only rational, too. <p></p><i></i>
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Re:Harassment.

Postby DireStrike » Thu Jun 08, 2006 5:53 pm

You say this person got international attention. From what bodies? Is there any documentation? What field and area was s/he researching? Do you still know the person? Can you ask them for more information?<br><br>If my life were threatened, my primary goal would be to play my trump card. I'd have to think out how I would do it, but it would only be a matter of time. If my research could be the precursor to such magnificent things... and all it cost was my life... I'd take as many precautions as possible and then spill the beans, while waving both middle fingers on camera and documenting as much as possible. Even just the potential to send some chance reader along the right track would be worth it. <br><br>Knowledge is power, and silence is bought with fear for a reason. If word gets out on something like that, these people would be screwed nine ways to sunday. What better way to get delicious revenge while simultaneously serving mankind?<br><br>Maybe that's just me though... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Harassment.

Postby bvonahsen » Thu Jun 08, 2006 6:07 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>tanstaafl - "there ain't no such thing as a free lunch"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Otherwise known as the 2nd law of thermographics. It's a pretty hard and fast law, but I don't know, maybe there is a way to draw energy from the vaccum. In classical physics the energy contained in a material is held in the chemical bonds in the molecule. Breaking the bonds requires energy or work but there is a net gain because so much energy is held in the bonds. This is especially true for aromatic hydrocarbons like gasoline. It is not true in the case of water.<br><br>Cold fusion, on the other hand, is not (or suposedly not) a chemical proccess. It is theorized to be a micro-nuclear reaction taking place on the pallidum electrodes surface. An issue of Make Magazine, number four I think, had an article about it. The verdict on cold fusion is not out, there are supposed to been some ambigous tests where more heat was generated than was put in. So who knows? Maybe this will pan out.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>Re:Harassment</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>Then the thing to do Hugh, is for such people to go underground. Reasonable security can be achieved even on the internet... or not, just mail a thumbdrive chock full of documents to someone you are working with. <p></p><i></i>
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no disrespect, but......

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:09 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Otherwise known as the 2nd law of thermographics. It's a pretty hard and fast law, but I don't know, maybe there is a way to draw energy from the vaccum. In classical physics the energy contained in a material is held in the chemical bonds in the molecule. Breaking the bonds requires energy or work but there is a net gain because so much energy is held in the bonds. This is especially true for aromatic hydrocarbons like gasoline. It is not true in the case of water.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> Have you ever actually heard such a pile of shit in your entire life ?<br><br> This is known as baffling one with science.<br><br> Water is the FUEL. all this first and second laws of thermodynamics is toss.<br><br> How do you know how complicated it is to separate the oxygen and hydrogen unless youve tried it ?<br><br> Ive had it with bullshitters. Listen buddy, you do the maths. If you have big oil, making billions of dollars per year out of virtually every last soul, do you seriously believe that these fucking interests wouldnt do ANYTHING neccesary to stop people accessing what is EVERYONES birthright ?<br><br> And you think 9/11 is a conspiracy ? <br><br> Too funny . <p></p><i></i>
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Here, have a word with this guy..

Postby slimmouse » Thu Jun 08, 2006 7:21 pm

<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?">www.nineeleven.co.uk/boar...topic.php?</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>p=9438#9438&sid=5adf56b7541e8a47c010b10b3ab17d9f<br><br><br> Wanna grasp a REAL bull by the horns ? <p></p><i></i>
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