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[bvonahsen]

Sitchin is every bit as insane as Ickes is. I mean really, there's not the slightest shred of evidence for their insane theories.<br><br>Wind and solar are not "free" either. What about those downwind from a wind farm? Or those in the shadow of solar panels? The energy available from the wind is not infinte and harvesting that energy takes energy, capital and resources. If enough wind farms or ocean wave generators (dynamos that get energy from wave action) are used then you could affect the weather or the oceans' currents. Hardly "free". <br><br>Solar power, as vast as it is is not infinite either. Solar panels take up space and remove energy that could be used to heat our planet. Theoretically, a large enough solar array between us and the sun would cause grave consequences to us.<br><br>Nothing is free. Everything has a price and consequences. <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<br><br> Sitchin and Icke on the next presidential ticket , or Bush and Cheney, Clinton and Gore, Gulyiani and some other similarly reprehensible bloodline ?<br><br> Bvo ? <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

I'd almost vote for Icke. At least he isn't a psychopath or a pedophile. His ideas are nutty but I think he at least has a good heart. He means well.<br><br>Cheney doesn't mean well. He's evil, pure and simple. <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>His ideas are nutty but I think he at least has a good heart. He means well.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br> Which Ideas are those exactly ?<br><br> How about his meticulous research and the facts hes uncovered ?<br><br> Which parts of his books that you have read do you disagree with ? <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

The interesting thinf about Gardiners high spin thing is that it reminds me of the Mckenna brothers, and collapsing electron standing waves using vocal sound to cause harmaline to bond to DNA.<br><br>I'll have to re check the details.<br><br>The thing about cutting down trees for wood, is that you have to be planting more at the same time and managing your forest resource.<br><br>Over half the people in this part of the world have solar panels. On their roofs, where is the shadow from that.<br><br>Windf farms do have their issues.<br><br>One of the biggest dodgy aspects of solar panels is how you nake them. <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Which Ideas are those exactly ?<br><br>How about his meticulous research and the facts hes uncovered ?<br><br>Which parts of his books that you have read do you disagree with ?"<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Icke does no reaserch and makes no arguments. He makes statements and then just assumes they are true. He does no fact checking at all and simply accepts any story told to him on faith from the delusional and psychotic. <br><br>Just because someone says they saw an eleven foot tall reptillian materialize in front of them doesn't mean that is what happened. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>A claim is not a fact.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> A hallucination is not reality and there really is such a thing as mental illness and delusional ideation.<br><br>I believe in a world that is more wonderful and mysterious than David Ickes tired fairy stories. I don't believe in a steril, lifeless scientific world either but that doesn't mean I have to accept anything anyone says at face value. It celtainly doesn't mean that every fantasy is true.<br><br>There is one sure test to see if I am correct or not. <br><br>Follow the money.<br><br>David makes a good deal of it selling his stories and that's all you really need to know. Does he give his precious "truth" away for free? I certainly would if I believed in a secret race of shape-shifting reptillians who eat our young and want to make us their slaves. I'd be screaming it from every podium I could find and wouldn't give a damn about the money. But Ickes <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>does</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> give a damn about the money and that fact alone should be conclusive. It is for me.<br><br>I'm sorry if this upsets you or if you think I am attacking you. I'm not. You see, I believe that one of my tasks if like is to construct my model of the universe in a way that makes sense to me. You get to do the same you know. Everyone does, we have to. We can't live without one.<br><br>One of the traumas of the past half dozen years has been that whole chunks of my model stopped making sense to me. A lot of other people feel that way too. Since then I've been trying to put things together again but it's clear to me that they ain't going back the way they were before.<br><br>That is a kind of trauma and you go through a grieving process too. So I am slowly piecing my model together but one of the things I don't accept is that 11ft tall reptillian. But David does, he swallows that story whole and without question. I won't. <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Its prettyw hard to take Icke seriously for precisely the reasons you mention bvonahsen.<br><br>Sitchin too, ot Laurence Gardiner for that matter.<br><br>As someone on the blog pointed out Gardiner is a disinfo agent, whether he believes his own bullshit is another matter.<br><br>Someone on the blog also mentioned that Icke's worldview could well be the result of someone who failed to integrate his ayahuasca experiences. That makes more sense to me.<br><br>Either that or he's being deliberately metaphorical, in an effort to co opt the whorship scene.<br><br>I know someone who knew Bagwan Ranjeesh really well, apparantly. he said he could see right through him and that ranjeesh not only appreciated that but let him on the scam. Immediately.<br><br>Which was "what will it take for you idiots to think for yourselves." At what point will you realise GURU means Gargabe unlimited rubbish unlimited. And grow the fuck up.<br><br>or words to that effect.<br><br>I know other people that still worship Ranjeesh. Sheesh.<br><br>The thought of Ickeyanity makes me feel, well... ickey. urgggh<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I believe in a world that is more wonderful and mysterious than David Ickes tired fairy stories. I don't believe in a steril, lifeless scientific world either but that doesn't mean I have to accept anything anyone says at face value.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Good one, more power too ya.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>And don't forget the Icke industry. Incorporated.<br><br>In fact the only way his story could be true was if he was a reptillian banking on the fact that no one with a brain would ever take him seriously, or at face value.<br><br>Sorry to any Icke fans out there. But think critically for a minute or two. <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

Does anyone know of any processes, of the top of their head, that would create a parabola shaped area of plasma?<br><br>Or where to start figuring it out?<br><br>I know a bit about algebra, my missus knows alot more, so have some bits under control... I am trying to reverse engineer from a concept, that should be an interesting way to make my brain hurt.<br><br>BTW This next bits offensive so you might want to change channel for a few minutes.<br><br><br><br><br>Whats white and hangs from the clouds?<br><br>The coming of Christ.<br><br><br>Whats white and hangs from the clouds a little while later?<br><br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :evil --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/devil.gif ALT=":evil"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I can't wait for this messiah to show up. <p></p><i></i>