My last email to "Coppertop" Andy Stephenson

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Stephens? Anyway...for the record:

Postby Seventhson » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:29 pm

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Yale's Motto is "Lux et Veritas" (Light and Truth). Veritas is known by all Yalies as kind of a code word for (we better than everybody else)<br><br>What is the "Veritas"? Skull and Bones? Elitism? Anglo-German Waspism? EWugenics? Slavery? Yale stands, in my opinion, for all of that. And it ain't truth, unless the truth they promote is the truth of their own necrophilic Machiavellianism and eugenics and Malthusianism, genocide and Naziism.<br><br>Funny: Stephens is a name I was often called by a poster or two who tended to harass me or not listen very carefully at DU. Stephens is also the name of the business which ties Clinton to Bush to the Bin Ladins to Clark, the CIA, homeland security ops and the Mena airport. Slippage? Freud. Lack of focus? Passion? (I hope its passion and not the others).<br><br>Here, then, is YOUR ezxact quote for the record in a post above in this thread:<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>In fact, the some of the same people who praise and mourn Andy, STILL believe in the legitimacy of elections and the absolute necessity to VOTE !<br><br>I spoke with him about just that, asked him if it was even worth going through the trouble. He informed me very precisely of every single voting scheme in my state, county and even city! Had it all backed up and documented-and we BOTH agreed that it was not worth even participating in this CRIME!</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I guess this quote is ALMOST ambiguous enough to justify your passion. But then again, maybe not:<br><br>You state in your last post:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Are you implying something? <br>Post a quote of mine where I specifically wrote that Andy stood for not voting! find it! You won't find it!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>Unfortunately your quote is SO generalized that the average reader I am sure (and others please tell me if I am totally off base here) would assume that Andy considered it a crime to vote in ANY election anywhere ever because of vote rigging.<br><br>You did NOT simply state that Andy agreed that you voting in YOUR city, state or county elections was a crime or was useless or was complicity, but you certainly IMPLIED that Andy believed that voting was not necessary or even a legitimate necessity ANYWHERE and that some posting homage to Andy were hypocrites because they believe in the absolute necessity of voting in elections ANYWHERE (not qualified in your statement) and because many of them still believed in the legitimacy of elections.<br><br>Now here's the rub: You state Andy agreed with you that "it was not worth even participating in this crime" (voting anywhere anytime in possibly or probably rigged elections).<br><br>Then you state that to vote in a rigged election makes one complicit in the crime.<br><br>All of your logic, for what its worth, SOUNDS like you are saying that Andy stood for giving up on voting and that anyone who votes is a criminal collaborating with the Fascist BFEE. That even BELIEVING that voting and elections might be a good thing given the evidence of rigging makes one complicit.<br><br>To my well trained ear, what I heard and what I am hearing now, is a very carefully crafted argument for us to simply GIVBE UP! DON'T VOTE! SURRENDER to the BFEE vote rigging sytem.<br><br>And to my t5rained ear this SOUNDS like exactly what the BFEE WANTS us to believe (those of us on the left): that a fallen warrior for truth is telling us from beyond the grave, in terms that we cannot challenge or even debate: that we SHOULD NOT VOTE BECAUSE ANDY SAID IT WOULD MAKE US COLLABORATORS WITH BUSH!!<br><br>Do you see this psychology at work?<br><br>Yale has a lot of talent in training psyops folks who take crafty names whiuch are coded.<br><br>Maybe, Tosca, you are NOT one of them. Maybe you are simply expressing a very honest resignation and surrender on the part of a very ill and disheartened warrior.<br><br>But I STILL believe it is disengenuous to claim you did NOT say that Andy said we should not vote in elections because it was no use, it is unnecessary, and it makes us complicit with the BFEE><br><br>To my ear that sounds like disinformation.<br><br>But maybe I just am a little jumpy and pissed because the necrophiles who are still feasting on the political corpse of my good friend are everywhere piling on his grave like dung beetles and I cannot tell if you are one or not.<br><br>I will give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize now if I got you wrong or you simply misspoke or misquoted or just got too passionate about how fucked up things are and how depressed Andy was about the seeming hopelessness of it all.<br><br>Anyway: google vertitas and Yale and see.<br><br>Then google Veritas and Yale and Skull and see more.<br>.<br>Then maybe you will see some of what i see.<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Andy's own words, not yet cold

Postby Seventhson » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:06 pm

"What a Ballot Is" ~ Andy Stephenson <br> The following was written by Andy April 29, 2005. It is a draft, about which he said, "Just putting thoughts on paper right now. So in case something happens to me, god forbid...I have it down for others in the future."<br><br>What a ballot is. It is not merely a piece of paper it is me...it is my voice. Each of us should guard it more than we would our most prized or precious possession. That ballot protects our other possessions. Without it you have no say. Over the last couple of years I have been adamant about the need for a voter verified paper ballot. It has been the driving force behind what I have done and will continue to do. To me, my ballot is the most sacred sacrament of the secular religion we call Democracy. <br><br>I have traveled around this country meeting with Election Officials such as Mischelle Townsend. I sent her into a tailspin when I put a camera in her face. Mischelle Townsend as you remember was the County Registrar in Riverside CO. Ca. Mischelle is a drippy sweet kind of woman but underneath beats the heart of a true viper. Mischelle has unwavering faith in Sequoia Voting Systems. She is a huge proponent of paperless DRE's. Where is Mischelle now? Well last I heard she was at home tending to her father-in-law's knee. She spent her last day at work holed up in her office with the door closed to avoid cameras. David Elliot is another viper. David was the head honcho over at NASED. He was the one person most responsible for allowing DRE’s to be approved for use. David was another really bad guy. He told me that he would have liked to have been able to talk less formally “without the camera.” I am sure he would have. But hey…I wanted to keep him honest. David retired from service to the state to attend to a “nervous condition.” Another piece of work was Scott Konopasek. Scott was the Registrar in San Bernardino Co Ca. Scott was the man responsible for DRE’s in two places, Snohomish WA and San Bernardino CA. Scott once remarked that Bev and I were waging “Jihad”, but not in a “Palestine Israel sense of the word, but in more of a Northern Ireland sense of the word.” Excuse me but WTF? Scott is now a “consultant” I worry when former elections officials become consultants. The one thing all these people have in common is an undying faith in paperless voting. I would say that they were all crooked but that would get me sued so I won’t say it. But I had no faith that they were protecting the ballot. <br><br>Now I know that I have gotten off track here and talked about all the bad guys in elections but there are people protecting your ballot. Some examples are Freddie Oakley of Yolo County California, Ion Sancho of Leon County Florida and Kevin Shelly and Julie Anne Kempf formerly of King County Washington. These people are examples of people working hard to protect our right to vote and in the case of Julie Anne losing their job in the process. I have talked here about the people but not ballots up to this point. There is a reason for that. The first group of people is out to get your ballot the second wants to preserve your ballot. <br><br>There are currently many definitions and thoughts on the subject of ballots. Some would argue that paper records or paper trails can serve the same purpose as a paper ballot. All legislation I see coming from Washington these days talk of Paper records/trails that are kept in a similar manner as ballots. They are to be the official record of the election and are to be used in case of manual recounts. As an example of how hard this would be, let’s look at Diebold’s VVPAT. A long register receipt type “paper trail” is printed. Granted it is better than what does not come from their DRE’s now but it would be very difficult to “hand” count. So why spend money on it, if it does not really do what we want it to do? It is similar but not the same as a ballot. Imagine a 75 year old trying to read the small type on that paper trail. Some, such as our first group of people would argue that an electronic version of the ballot is ok and perfectly acceptable. David Dill explains that voting on DRE’s is like handing your ballot to a man behind a curtain, telling him how you want to vote, he fills in your choices and you never see the ballot again. This is UNACCEPTABLE! Our ballot must be human readable we must be able to discern our own choices and not leave it to a machine interface. Now this is not always possible as in the case of the blind but there are technologies that help the blind to vote in secret that produce a ballot. Equipment such as Automark produces an optical scan or human readable ballot. The ballot is printed on a heavy weight 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper with standard markings. Any human or optical scan machine can read these ballots and they are ideal for hand counts should the need arise. <br><br>Now there are many people that say we should be all hand counted paper all the time. In an ideal world we would do that. But realistically that is not going to happen. Elections offices in most jurisdictions if not all, are under funded. Elections officials struggle with tight budgets and in most cases do a damned good job with what they have. Not all elections officials are bad and many want to run good clean elections. Keeping the system honest is up to us. With proper auditing and truly random recounts optical scans are the safest and most accurate way to count an election. The trouble starts when the votes are sent via electronic means to a central tabulator. I would also add that the tabulator needs to be as secure as Ft. Knox <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>because after all our votes are more precious than gold.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br> <br><br><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4091026">www.democraticunderground...04x4091026</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Stephens? Anyway...for the record:

Postby toscaveritas » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:09 pm

ok one last time for clarification: <br><br>i chose 'veritas' over three years ago on Yahoo, because I dedicated myself towards finding TRUTH! Veritas simply means that in LATIN, which is , last time I checked, a language that was around much earlier than Yale! I work in the medical field, where latin is OFTEN used, so I had a natural affinity towards it, basta!<br><br>the 'stephens' was my mistake. I came home, saw your post and was very upset, sorry for using the wrong name for you. I just started typing and didn't even check to see if I was using the correct name. No, I never posted on DU before Friday last week- check to make sure-I was never there!<br><br>Finally, I'm not going to split hairs with you over what is 'implied' or what YOU interpret as to what I said. Given the information out there that Andy uncovered, it is up to every one to research and find out which precise election procedures are used in their city, county or state, and determine for themselves if they are legitimate and if one should participate or not!<br><br>My personal evalution of the situation in MY state is, that this is a crime on a massive scale against the people and democracy. The result is an illegitimate government- which many dems never stopped saying about Bush after the 2000 debacle. I don' t think that I'm so far off with my assessment either. <br><br>Is is a crime to rig elections? Is it a crime to lie about results, make up fake numbers, throw away memory cards with thousands of votes,etc etc>? Is corruption of elections a crime? What is the foundation of our 'democracy'? How is legitimacy of a government/administration establishedin a Democracy?<br><br>I mean, if I know that an election is my state is about to be STOLEN/rigged/ manipulated- and I have proof thereof-- what is the point of still going? I live in a RED state which is FULLY and totally corrupt. I don't know where you live, but in MY state, a crime is being committed against the people. I stand by that-- And as far as I can recollect, and it has been many moons since Andy and I had that conversation , he also felt it was a crime in MY state. And he understood why I didn't vote.YOu can read into this all you want, analyze, speculate and even hypothesize-- it doesnt change anything. It was a sad conversation, yes, resignation-- ultimately only with the hope, that if enough people learn about this and demand honest , open elections, something will finally change! <br><br>I've learned from this conversation and I thank you for the benefit of the doubt. I apologize for strong wordings that may have been misleading. This is a very emotional time of grieving and I probably shouldnt have posted at all about Andy. We were very close and I've lost a very close friend. . If what I've written was confusing, I also apologize. <br><br>regarding your comment about Andy having been murdered--- imho-- nothing is impossible, when it comes to dealings of the cabal of death, who currently run matters. And that is all I can say about that. <br><br><br>I know I said i was going to bury this earlier, but had to respond one last time. I hope this can be buried now, if we can't bury this for the sake of peace of mind, maybe we can at least to honor Andy, whom we both apparently loved and admired? Is that ok?<br><br>thank you<br>tosca (an italian name -opera by Giacomo Puccini)<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: articles

Postby LibertyorDeath » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:29 pm

Thanks for the welcome tosca good to see you here also.<br><br>Yes the The Magistrate has been stalking all speculative<br>posters at DU. IMO<br><br>He was on me today 5 times in one thread but I wouldn't bite.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4088192">www.democraticunderground...04x4088192</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>I know I'm going to like it here.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: LibertyorDeath this is for you see if it fits

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damn I'm jealous...

Postby meppie or meppie not » Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:14 pm

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Re: articles

Postby toscaveritas » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:16 am

great thread, added my two cents worth <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>i hope he likes my MSM links!!! LOL <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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