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Re: draft mindless

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Re: draft mindless

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:22 am

want to know about the draft ..ask a draftee..<br><br>kinda neat gettin trained to use all these bang bangs...<br><br>war is hell and its a money racket..<br><br>but the elites are moving rapidly to the 1984 society where dissent is labeled as terrorism..neat how they twist words and concepts.<br><br>draft may be just another side issue..they can nuke Iran rt now and most amerikans will yawn , mow the lawn and go drinking..<br><br>someday when the liquor stores begin asking for the biometric ID.. then more will waken <br><br>til then<br><br>its up to you to continue this delaying action<br><br>THIS IS A WAR AND YA ARE ALL IN IT.<br><br>the war for minds and souls..and the monsters have the weapons and assassins and the whole system rigged in their favor...<br><br>its the war between the ruling elites and the commoners<br>SOS been going on since before Christ was a corporal!!<br><br>I got 2 youngsters..one is 18 and knows bush is a sellout..<br><br>its your responsibility to speak out against TREASON by the executive branch which is exactly what ya are doing...<br><br>read the Declaration..Jefferson added lots of anti-govt stuff to protect the states rts.. <p></p><i></i>
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Stories From the Front

Postby Sweejak » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:48 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>begin forwarded message:<br><br>Stories From the Front<br> <br><br>Lisa from Oregon writes:<br><br>My son in law in Iraq said they are being pressured round the clock to re-enlist or face stop loss. They are being offering $30,000 signing bonus, tax free and told if they don't re-enlist, they are going to be stop lossed and get zero dollars. They are pushing the troops round the clock and Mark only got 3 hours sleep in 48 hours and when they get back, they are faced yet again with re-enlisting. Mark said many guys are scared and signing up and their families at home are very upset. (with good reason) We really need to push our media and congressmen to expose the horrible way our troops are being treated. <br><br>Lietta, also from Oregon writes:<br><br>Yes, I have been trying since January 05 to get the word out regarding my own 2 loved ones and the soldiers in their division. Both served in Iraq, and their division, 1st Armored, was the first to be 'extended' so they served 15 months in Iraq, April 03 - July 04. They came back to their bases in August 04. A mere 5 months later, Jan 05, their division was told they were under orders to redeploy to Iraq and Stop Lossed and would redeploy in Fall 05. And I have been trying to call attention to the 'Retention' practices ever since. <br><br> March 05, it was time for both to make decision to re-enlist. As already under orders to redeploy; as already under Stop Loss; their choices = 1) don't re-enlist but you will wind up in Iraq anyway under Stop Loss or 2) re-enlist and while you'll still wind up in Iraq under Stop Loss, at least you'll have the attractive bonus being offered. <br><br> The point is that the 'Retention' rate that is being touted as demonstrative of soldier's fervor and good faith in the war is another deception being foisted on the media and public. Closer to the truth of the situation is that one they are in, they cannot get out and it is entrapment from the front end with deceptive recruitment practices, again at re-enlistment time with the threat of deployment to Iraq under Stop Loss, again when contract ends and they are kept in and deployed via Stop Loss. What continues to be called an 'all voluntary military' has become an 'involuntary' military through the use strategies of deception and legal maneuvering for which there seems to be no remedy in the Stop Loss.<br><br>Tia from Baltimore writes (her stepson was KIA in Iraq):<br><br>But I will never forget one thing: the day we dropped David off for boot camp - the day his father and I first met the recruiter - the recruiter put out his hand, smiled at me, shook my hand and said "you'll never have to worry about him again". I was shocked. I can only speculate what this person was telling David.<br><br>These are not isolated stories from the illegal occupation but they are illustrative of what is happening to our young people who thought they were doing the right and honorable thing by enlisting in the military. This is an immoral war that our troops never should have been sent to in the first place, and once they are there and have done their time, it is very difficult for them to get out of the distant mental desert and come home to their loved ones.<br><br>Not only are the backend policies of retention shady, but the front-end policies of recruiting our vulnerable youth are often downright unethical. Few citizens in our country (I know I didn't) realize that an enlistment contract is only binding on the recruit. Once the recruit raises his/her right hand and swears allegiance to the government, that recruit becomes the property of Uncle Sam and is bound by the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Ethics, promises, and moral correctness often fly out the window as servitude, hardship, and heartache fly in.<br><br>The only recruiting story I know by heart, and can effectively comment on, is my son Casey's. I have heard too many similar stories, however. When he was recruited in May 2000, he was promised the moon to get him to join, and he ultimately got an early grave. He was promised a $20,000 signing bonus: he received $4500 and was told that he could use the rest for college. Casey wanted to be a deacon in the Catholic Church, so when he enlisted in the Army, he was promised he could be a Chaplain's Assistant: don't believe the Army Band stories, either. When he got to boot camp, he was told that his promised specialty wasn't open, and he had the choice of being a Humvee mechanic or a cook. His recruiter told him he could finish college while in the military, he could never even get approval to take one class. All of these broken promises mean nothing to me. One does, however. After Casey enlisted he knew I was upset. He told me, "Mom, you don't have to worry, Sgt. (I forget his name) told me that since I scored so high on the ASVAB (military competency) test, I will never see combat, even if there is a war. I will only be in a support role." I can still hear his voice saying those exact words to me. Those words chilled me to the bone then, and have haunted me since 9/11. First of all, because I thought Casey would be sent to fight terrorists (and "terrorists"<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> wherever they might be, and I could see George and his warmongering band of neocons rushing us into a crazy invasion of Iraq. My premonition came true and Casey was KIA 04/04/04: a mere 5 days after his unit arrived in Sadr City, Baghdad: IN COMBAT. The most troubling thing is, though, that some recruiters are still promising young people that they won't have to go to Iraq if they sign up. I am being told that all the time by young people who talk to the multi-level marketers working towards their bonuses--oops, I mean military recruiters.<br><br>As long as our young people are being lied to and used so dishonorably in an unjust invasion and occupation of another country; as long as they are fighting for a corrupt government and still without the proper equipment, food, training, or leadership; as long as moms are having to hold bake sales to buy their sons body armor; as long as our soldiers are being held against their wills long after they have done their duty; as long as they are being sent to kill innocent people; military service should be opposed. Let's affirm life in the fullest for everybody: the unfortunate, uncounted people living Iraq who are 'acceptable' collateral damage to the war hawks, and our own indispensable loved ones. The only way to support our troops is to bring them home from this mess--now.<br><br>The American public and Congress need to hear more stories from the front. The tragedy and atrocities of this occupation need to be in the forefront of every American's mind, so there can be an uprising of peace. If you have a story similar to the ones I have told, please forward them to me. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Oh) would like to put these stories, now engraved only in our hearts, into the Congressional Record. Thank you.<br><br>Cindy Sheehan <br><br>SCindy121@aol.com<br><br>Cofounder of Gold Star Families for Peace<br><br>www.GSFP.org<br><br>For info on the Homeward Bound Bill go to: www.Kucinich.us<br><br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Stories From the Front

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:05 am

I am against this war and all the wars of the privleged elites..<br><br>I am also responsible for every US soldier over there..and in fact for all the injustices committed there from both sides..<br><br>this is a war..the front is Iraq . eveyone who does not want to live in a george bush controlled world..needs to take responsibility even if its only ranting here <br><br>We passed a millionaires home in Narragansett Bay today.<br><br>there is a "stop bush "sign banner hanging from his home for all to see..and thats thosusands of folks<br><br>I will have my kid psot it somewhere for all to see..<br><br>whenever I can complain about bush..I say it aloud so folks can here me..so far nobody has hassled me.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Stories From the Front

Postby heath7 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:55 am

Cindy Sheehan is an amazing, eloquent woman. She's gotta be the greatest hope the antiwar movement has got right now. I really hope that she remains so determined. Think I'm gonna write her an email of support right now.<br><br>That's SCindy121@aol.com, right?<br><br>Ten-four. <p></p><i></i>
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The Draft

Postby Connut » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:19 am

Never will any of the children of the rich 1% see military action. Dubya was draftable and he avoided it - daddy pulled the strings. The blackmail material is available to the rich to keep their offspring safe. Why would the draft wake the rest of the sheeple up? And the idea that you can leave the country with your kids to avoid the draft is a joke. The US has agreements with countries around the world to return draft dodgers. Mike Ruppert has a list of those countries who have agreed to return them.<br><br>This is a living Chart! It will be continually updated until every country has responded. Check back regularly.)<br><br>(Last updated: April 22, 2004 - Poland, Brazil)<br><br><br> Extradite? Yes/No <br> FBI-LEGAT <br> NORTH COM <br> NATO <br> ANZUS<br> CONDITIONS <br> <br>Angola <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Argentina <br> No* <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> * "Requested State may refuse extradition for offenses under military law that are not offenses under ordinary criminal law (article 4, military offenses-paragraph 4" <br> <br>Australia <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br>Austria <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Belarus <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Belgium <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Bermuda <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Bolivia <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Brazil <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Canada <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Chile <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>China <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Colombia <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> Case by case basis <br> <br>Costa Rica <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Cuba <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Czech Republic <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Denmark <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Dominican Republic <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Egypt <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>El Salvador <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Estonia <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Ethiopia <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Finland <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>France <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Germany <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Ghana <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Greece <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Guatemala <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Haiti <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Honduras <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Hungary <br> <br> <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Iceland <br> <br> <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>India <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Indonesia <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Ireland (Southern) <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Israel <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Italy <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Japan <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Kenya <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Korea (South) <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Latvia <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Lithuania <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Libya <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Malaysia <br> <br> TBA <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Mexico <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Morocco <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>New Guinea <br> No <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Will not extradite <br> <br>New Zealand <br> No <br> <br> <br> <br> Yes <br> Will not extradite if violation of military law <br> <br>Nicaragua <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Nigeria <br> No <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> "No treaty exists between US and Nigeria to mandate repatriation of draft dodgers" <br> <br>Norway <br> No <br> <br> <br> Yes<br> <br> Discretion of Foreign Ministry<br> <br>Panama <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Peru <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> Case by case basis <br> <br>Philippines <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Poland <br> No <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> "Extradition can also be denied if military offense does not constitute a felon under existing national penal code (Art 5, subsection 4)" <br> <br>Portugal <br> No <br> <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Russia <br> No <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> "No agreement for extradition exists" <br> <br>Slovakia <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>South Africa <br> No* <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> - * "The Executive Authority of The Requested State shall refuse extradition for offences under military law that are not offences under ordinary criminal law." <br> <br>Spain <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Sweden <br> No <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> No, if only crime is against military law <br> <br>Switzerland <br> No <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> No, if only crime is against military law <br> <br>Tahiti (French) <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Thailand <br> Yes <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>The Netherlands <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Tibet <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Trinidad Tobago <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Turkey <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>UK <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br>Ukraine <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Vatican City <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Venezuela <br> <br> Yes <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Vietnam <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br>Zimbabwe <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br><br> <br><br> <br><br>Please note the following updates to this story:<br><br>5/5/04<br>Selective Service Has Plans to Include Drafting Women and Increasing Eligibility Age to 35<br>- The Seattle Post-Intelligencer reported this weekend that the Chief of the Selective Service System has proposed registering women for the military draft; and that young Americans should be required to regularly inform the government about whether they have training in skills needed by the Armed Services.<br><br>Hope this came out right! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Draft

Postby dbeach » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:09 pm

D is a ruse<br><br>D won't happen IMHO cuz it could wake em up..<br>it did wake em in 60s and 70s<br><br>the controllers want us to take the red pill and back to sleep..I would prefer the blue and keep em riled up..this delaying action being waged against the controlers is working..we ain't won but its making them squirm.. <p></p><i></i>
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connut draft info

Postby anon » Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:49 pm

Thank you connut for that useful information. All of us who have gotten passports for our children will find this extremely useful.<br>I still here (often) from 20 somethings that "if they have a draft I'll go to Canada". When they find out about the agreement signed with Canada they usually look rather sick. Not many people know the real truth about what a real draft will look like. I expect that if a draft passes all draft age individuals will be asked to report immmediately to such and such central location in a state and be taken away at that point. This isn't the 60's. Remember and remind people always: this isn't the 60's, this is a new game and if the draft passes one can expect marshall shortly thereafter and our children will literally be taken from their homes. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Draft

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:27 pm

Anyone have any updates on this information?<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.edpjc.org/archives/newsletter.May-04-4.html">www.edpjc.org/archives/ne...-04-4.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The Draft<br><br>Pending legislation in the House (HR163) and Senate (S89) will time the program’s initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005—just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public’s attention is on the election. Even those voters who currently support U S actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether or not to fight. This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. SSS must report to the President by 3/31/05 that the system is ready for activation. The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld’s prediction of a “long, hard slog” in Iraq and Afghanistan (and a permanent state of war on “terrorism”) proves accurate, the U S may have no choice but to initiate the draft.<br><br><br>Dodging the draft will be more difficult than during the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In Dec. 2001, Canada and the U S signed a “smart border declaration”, which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminate higher education as a shelter. <br><br>www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/articles5146.htm">www.informationclearingho...es5146.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default..">www.hslda.org/legislation.../default..</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>asp<br><br><br>Universal National Service Act of 2003, “to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons (18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in the furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.” These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. To take action: Write your representatives and ask why they aren’t telling their constituents about these bills. Write to the newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they’re not covering this important story. To get involved contact the following groups. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.Caclean.org">www.Caclean.org</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.aclu-sc.org,">www.aclu-sc.org,</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.citizen.org">www.citizen.org</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.truemajority.org/ComputerAteMyVote/index.cfm">www.truemajority.org/Comp.../index.cfm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><br>“ He who is silent consents."<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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