by sceneshifter » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:18 pm
<br>thank you very very much, troublefunk and marykmusic, for your replies - troublefunk, i find no rudeness in your post because it is obvious that you are genuinely trying to communicate sincerely - i believe that politeness should not inhibit genuine opinions being expressed freely - it is a very dangerous error of society to allow suppression of genuine opinions in the name of politeness - such politeness only enables and encourages and supports bigotry - we have swlallowed the idea that a bigot has a right to not have the pain of exposure to others's different opinions - we should be promoting the idea that everyone has a duty to hear others' opinions in a polite manner - instead we allow people to get annoyed if anyone 'dares' to express a genuine opinion in the presence of someone who doesnt like it - we have a duty to tell people when we think they are wrong - we need truth totally, for there is no happiness outside truth or reality, and it is hard enough to get hold of truth with our very limited brains without adding the artifical handicap of pampering closemindedness<br><br>troublefunk, i am surprised and mystified that you ask how we are going to convince the 1% - i have said [and said it many times of course - only because, judging from the replies and nonreplying, which is all i have to judge on, i have not been heard in any degree by anyone] that we are going to convince them by argument, by talking person-to-person, laying the arguments in front of people - as person tells person, inevitably some of the 1% will hear it - i grant that some fraction of the 1% will be incapable of grasping the truth of the arguments [assuming the arguments are sound] - even if all of the 1% are incapable of grasping the arguments, there is still a 99 to 1 majority to impose their will - of course it may be that people are so feebleminded that even the 99%, who will benefit financially, cannot grasp the arguments - there has not been any sign in the replies that anyone has grasped the arguments - the blind faith that overpay is good, the unexamined accepted idea that wealth is good for you, is still prevalent - prevailing - <br><br>stop for one second in order to imagine that it is true, that it is reality, that wealth/overpay is in fact, in truth, very very bad for the overpaid - we have been wrong before, eg, the sun going round the earth - we can be wrong about this most ancient of accepted ideas - set accepted ideas quite aside and look at the issue purely from reality, from sense, from practicalities - <br><br>do you think that with a 99% majority, we can still do nothing against the ptb? - and remember that most of the 1% are only moderately overpaid - to start with, in the practical implimentation path, the limit to fortunes can be set at 10 million, and have 0.1% opposing, or at 20 million and have 0.01% opposing - even some overpaid people can see reason, especially with extinction pencilled in the diary for within the next 50 years - witness edward filene, defending his philanthropy [with others' money]: why shouldn't i give half my [sic] money to people? they gave it all to me - alexander dumas defined business as other people's money, which became the title of a [fun] film with danny devito and bette midler - there is some sense and insight out there - [0.000001%, but from little acorns mighty oaks have grown before and will again] - just a pity jefferson didnt set an absolute limit to fortunes - even if they had set it at 10 or 100 times the maximum that a person can contribute to society by their work, it would have prevented the demise of democracy in america - america could have had the corporation without corporation tyranny - so you see even with jefferson the idea was still being born - and jefferson had to struggle against wealthpower like hamilton's - if jefferson's education ideas had gone through, americans could have known the absolute importance of limitation of overpay, the general, herd will would have been there to set a figure beyond which no fortune could go - and america would have been a shining example to the rest of the world of freedom and democracy and capitalism - communism, or artificial absolute injustice, taking everything off everyone and in practical effect giving it to stalin, would never have arisen - 60 million kulaks would not have died - atom bombs would never have been sought after and found<br><br>we have no choice about educating - the only alternative is force, which has not worked - it does not need to be indoctrination, like chinese communism, because what we say is good sense, and everyone already agrees with it [people, whether they know they know it or not, will agree that a government taking 99% of aftertax income off 99% and giving it to the 1% will cause violence - tremendous violence - it will break the state - therefore they know that inequity [pay from a million times to 1000th of the average] is the cause of the violence - remove the cause, and 99% of violence will go - they also know it from the fact that money is good for all necessities and millions of pleasures - ie, money is a necessity and millions of pleasures - so people are going to fight when it is stolen off them by an economic system that has no counterbalance to the ceaseless drift of money from earners to nonearners - forgive me if i seem to go over covered ground - but remember that we are chiselling away at a prejudice, an error of 1000s of years - the error that since money is good, more money is better - forgetting the essential distinction of selfearned and otherearned money - ignorant that the economic system has many legal ways as well as illegal ways by which money moves from earners to nonearners - more money when it is otherearned comes with an angry person attached - we are fighting for our lives - we have 50 years - we cannot forbid ourselves any advantage that comes from repetition - and repetition is also reformulation, putting it a different way that may be more acceptable to people<br><br>99% should support us in educating - when they see the advantages - more money, less extinction, lower defense costs [internal and external, in lives as well as money, victim psyche damage] - an idea when it reaches a certain size may become contagious - it is 'in the air' - people learn it out of the air - when people are confident and certain, even tyrants cannot prevail against it - even tyrants cannot walk around naked in public in the arrogance of their power - people are too confident and certain about the wrongness of public nakedness - so there is a magic in 99% being in a state of confident certainty - if the people demonstrate and riot, it is because they are not certain, and they will swallow it if they get fired upon - but when they are certain, they do not bother to riot and demonstrate, their certainty gives them too much confidence to need to demonstrate - they have confidence in support from others - so all the emphasis of the plan is on education, by word of mouth, which is very hard for the ptb to undermine - if it gets into the media too early, the ptb will send their tame professors to sow doubt - if it is kept grassroots, friend to friend, word of mouth, family and friends and lovers, it can grow without opposition, without conflict, until it is too big a majority for conflict - the opposition will have to fold - certainty is contagious - the ptb will be infected with it - we all have some herd instinct in us - even the ptb - if the bellwhethers get it, and the sheeple follow, where wil the ptb be? - the power of the ptb is only in our support - their wealth is only wealth because of our support - if we dont work for them, they have no power - all power is basically people - if people know overpay is fatal, money will not be able to buy them - <br><br>granted people have to be bought to the point of using their sense - our culture is not based on sense, but on the various forms of nonsense - sentiment, custom, apathy, prejudice, egotism [my way, right or wrong], which are all paths of selfdestruction of course, since they are contrary to reality - they are non-sane - <br><br>there are reasons for hope and reasons for unhope - as with any situation - we just have to trudge through every barrier, every stop - <br><br>so you see, marykmusic, the answer to belling the cat is starving the cat of moral support - at the moment the 99% are prowealth, pro-overpay, even though they would be better paid, and 99% violence-free, with fairpay capitalism - when you are convinced, only then can you judge whether and how much others can be convinced - it is no use saying people cannot be convinced when you yourself are still not opening yourself to the force of the reality, the truth, of things - when you yourself are still untrained in setting all generally accepted ideas aside and judging purely from sense and reality - <br><br>if we can get just the idea 'no one can work more than twice as hard as the average, so no one deserves more than twice as much income as the average' into people's heads! - it is not a mad idea, is it? - it is good sense, isnt it? - it is an idea with much more sense than many accepted ideas, than many customs - how vulnerable are people to good sense? - we do not know - we can only hope, and act as long as hope exists, and hope always exists, because we can never know for absolute certain sure that people are totally immune to good sense - so we must hope, and therefore act in that hope, and spread sense, first to ourselves, wake ourselves up from the dream of nonsense and custom, and then spread it to others - pay from $1 billion to $1 for a fortnight's work should be enough to assure us that we are mad, that we are not in a state of good sense, of common sense - that we are under a spell in thinking that somehow one person can earn a billion dollars a fortnight - just look at what a billion dollars buys - can one person produce that much themselves alone in a fortnight? - that overpay exists is very clear - and the many legal ways that overpay is generated are known - and we are under a spell that the same amount of work can be worth only $1! - madness!!!! - <br><br>h g wells said that human life is now a race between education and catastrophe - in fact, it has been like that for millenia - history is a list of catastrophes instead of education - but wells didnt know what people needed to be educated in - wells didnt define what understanding is essential to survival and to return to our birthright happiness which we have had less and less of since overpay began growing millenia ago - we can go on with revolution and theft by underpaid as the only methods to decrease overpay/people abuse, till extinction interrupts and climaxes our folly, or we can learn what we have to learn to survive<br><br>pablo friere's pedagogy of the oppressed makes a good point - that the oppressed, the underpaid, [and that is 99% of us], have been so long unfree that we have atrophied the power to decide for ourselves and act - one joy of revolution, a taste of which people are willing to risk death to experience [and it is a birthright all other animals enjoy, who have not invented specialisation of jobs, exchange, money, and therefore started the monster overpay] is a return to deciding and acting freely - my thought is that it is about time we learned to have a sanity revolution and get rid of the thing that causes overpay and revolution, periodically sweeping away overpaid people - who are people too, and suffer too from overpay - they are not the enemy, they are victims too - overpay really is bad for all - i think my argument for the very negative benefits of overpay for the overpaid are sound and good sense - no one has faulted them but the force of custom prevents people stepping forward and embracing them - where are the bellwhethers? the mature? the sane? the clearthinkers? the awake? the ones who can pull themselves awake?<br><br>perhaps as it was for us a long time ago with regard to fire, we are still fascinated and panicky and not thinking cooly about overpay and overpower - we are not looking at it scientifically an in a detached and cool manner, and seeing it really - it is called overpower, but it always falls to the people - so it is true that the people have the greatest power - and this is evidenced by the care with which the ptb labour to divide the people - the ptb by this action show they know that the people are more powerful - overpay and underpay are the crests and troughs of an ocean of money - crests are soon troughs - crests, troughs, are soon the same - just one mighty rough ocean for all - a seasick ride for all - think of the titanic, the rich and poor - that is society - all in the same boat - pity humans, drowning in his own creation, like the sorcerer's apprentice - intelligent enough to make a mistake other animals couldnt make - each and every one of us must race to consult the magic book of intelligence again, and with all speed and no haste or hate, learn the spell to stop what we have started<br><br>troublefunk, you have not come across my posts explaining that there is everything in it for them, that no force will be necessary, the opposition will be less than 1% and will fold - i hope i have explained this above, but i am everhappy to clarify further, if you will specify your doubts as far as you can - 500 pages is far too little for a simple,sane idea when that idea is so remote from people's accepted selfcontradictory non-sense, and people are not selfdisciplining to think only sense - eg, believing [as far as practice goes] that a person has earned $10 million an hour when everyone knows that one person could not design the doorhandles of a $10 million house or factory in one hour - letting one person put in one hours' work and take out a million hours' work from the pool of social wealth created by everyone's work - everyone would call it madness if everyone could see it, if they werent blinded by the force of custom, if people werent under the deep spell of what we've done before <br><br>the 1% are like a tribeperson who steals a heap of others' things and loses the tribe, the safety, the belonging of the tribe, the trust and sharing and friendship - perhaps only someone like me who has been turned out of my 'tribe', rejected by all family and friends [unfairly, i believe], can know how valuable to quality of life one's tribe is - they say aborigines just die when thrown out of the tribe - i died a million deaths - just imagine if you come home one day and, though you have done nothing, everyone, your wife, children, parents, friends, neighbours, best friend, wants you to just go away and never come back - and you cant even ask anyone why? - that is a very rare occurrence but it teaches how much fun the tribe is, how deeply we love it and need it - it pulls out the roots of being that are planted deep in your bowels - <br><br>and then there is extinction - despite human powers of denial, of avoidance, the arguments are very strong that it is inevitable if we go on this way - reality is merciless - it will not bend for us, it will not bend to accommodate our error - make a mistake, you die - think you can fly, and jump off a cliff, you die, it doesnt matter how nice you are, how good you are - one mistake, and you may be dead - no mercy - we have to be realistic to survive, and we humans are specialists in unrealisms - blind faith in customs, in accepted ideas, in herd-think or herd-unthink, despite 1000s of years of catastrophe - would the overpaid rather be extinct than switch? - will the overpaid cling to a catastrophic and fatal and clearly wrong idea? - will their faith in their lead lifebuoy hold, or weaken? - the overpaid have been killed over and over through history - the president of america, 'the most powerful man in the world', assassinated not a few times - and what of the power struggles among the overpaid, the corporate infighting, the kidnappings, the assassinations, the deposed rulers? - how did marie antoinette feel with her head on the block? - attack is proportional to overpay - the romans knew this - quot serves, tot hostes - x people under him, x2 people against him - every empire with superoverpaid and superunderpaid has fallen, though large - every empire with low overpay/underpay has grown, though small - the lesson of history is there to be learned - only the blind faith in our wrong ideas, our nonexamination of the train wheels, keeps us from learning them - history is unanimous for us: overpay/underpay is fatal, is a lead lifebuoy, is doom - the state built on injustice cannot stand - the purpose of government is justice [james madison] - because the purpose of government is survival and happiness <br><br>fairpay satisfies almost all desires - so overpay can add little - overpay has to be merely more food than the belly can hold - a ferrari is 10 times the cost and 10th more pleasure - but the downside is not like that - the downside is proportional to overpay - the danger and cost of protection is proportional to amount of overpay - and the costs are endless, as the fight between overpaid and underpaid is endless - the money runs out, and the empire falls - plunderers get plundered - it is very simple - it can be learned - if we are a little more submissive to reality, to thinking ourselves real, and less submissive to blind unthinking faith, our present mindless lemming way<br><br>pursuing happiness by pursuing realism and sanity is already the happiness of nobility, of dignity, of sanity <br> <p></p><i></i>
