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Re: More coming! Please Thank California for jumpstarting

Postby NavnDansk » Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:52 pm

Go to Rep. Maurice Hincheys govt. site front page. There is an article condeming Bush's Valerie Plame leak and also a letter from Patrick Fitzgerald linked in pdf.<br><br>It is a one page letter and Fitz' writes that he does not have the mandate to investigate the Niger forgeries as Hinchey and 39 other Dems requested in Oct/Nov 2005 letters.<br><br>Fitz' letter was sent very recently. Why did it take 6 months for a very intelligent AND EXPERIENCED prosecutor to decide he did not have the mandate to investigate the false information bush used to go to war on Iraq? Citizen Spook and FireDogLake had talked about the copies of the Niger forgeries that Fitz' had and the fact of his all-encompassing mandate by Comey.<br><br>Last week, Democratic Underground had a front page link to John Edward's petition to Gonzales asking that Fitz be allowed to expand his mandate to investigate the manipulated information. You can sign the petition and I did but I still question why Fitz backed down.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :\ --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/ohwell.gif ALT=":\"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More coming! Please Thank California for jumpstarting

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Apr 25, 2006 1:16 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>However, having a nuclear arsenal in the hands of a madman intent on using it (the "ticking bomb scenario mentioned in reference to terrorism), leaves no time for wrangling over legal minutia. The Armed Forces clearly have the Constitution on their side in checking the "The Decider."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I recall that when Nixon was threatening to nuke Vietnam his handlers passed the word that he wasn't to be allowed to activate 'the football.' Nixon had been attempting to break a stalemate by projecting a so-crazy-he-just-might-do-it vibe to the North Vietnamese and Chinese. But as things got weird during Watergate (which was a character assassination coup by his former allies) Nixon got too weird to be trusted as "the Decider" while he turned to the bottle for comfort.<br><br>I doubt Wayne Madsen wants a military junta anymore than anyone else does but as one who understands the power structure of the National inSecurity State he might simply be voicing a pragmatic view about the kind of infighting between Pentagon, State Department, and White House that leaves out the public and Congress just as it did back during the Vietnam/Watergate curfuffle.<br><br>I just read somewhere that back in the early 70s Lyndon Larouche was advising some in the Pentagon that they might do well to take the reins from the CIA-Mafia cabal in the White House. I think it was on a JFK discussion board thread about the balance of power between Pentagon generals like Walker and Taylor and the CIA. Old battles continue..<br><br>I'd like to know more about W's feelings about the Secret Service since he probably knows how full well how presidents are managed through various forms of assassination.<br><br>Funny that the movie 'The Sentinal' is out now with the comically erroneous poster blurb "the first traitor in the Secret Service in 141 years." I took it for the usual cover-up of the JFK hit but it could be foreshadowing as well. Recall 'The Lone Gunman' on Fox TV months before 9/11.<br><br>Fitzgerald's background gives me the impression he is one of the many CIA elements in the 'judicial system' who is just putting some pressure on this White House to keep it from stomping on the neck of CIA with impunity. Mike Ruppert's discription of the CIA infiltration of major police departments and court officials makes sense to me and we have certainly seen judges 'playing for the house.'<br><br>W is a helluva guy to be at the focus of all this pressure and I hope he is extremely uncomfortable to say the least. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: More coming! Please Thank California for jumpstarting

Postby sunny » Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:50 am

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Re: More coming! Please Thank California for jumpstarting

Postby Dreams End » Wed Apr 26, 2006 10:41 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>I doubt Wayne Madsen wants a military junta anymore than anyone else does but as one who understands the power structure of the National inSecurity State he might simply be voicing a pragmatic view about the kind of infighting between Pentagon, State Department, and White House that leaves out the public and Congress just as it did back during the Vietnam/Watergate curfuffle.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Let him speak for himself:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>If Bush, Cheney, and Rove interfere with the election process, either by postponing the November 2 election because of an unspecified "terrorist" threat or other concocted reason, many in the senior levels of the military are prepared to honor their oath to the Constitution and protect our nation from enemies "domestic." That includes presidents and their staff who want to overturn the Constitution process for their own nefarious purposes.<br><br>A long time colleague, a well-known constitutional lawyer, told me that he would support the military taking such unprecedented action against an out-of-control executive branch. A seasoned Washington political observer, well known to television audiences, echoed the lawyer's sentiment ­ he even called for military trials of Bush, Cheney, and their henchmen after their ouster. Yes, the outrage factor is at an all time fever pitch. In my lifetime, I've seen nothing like it. Yet, it is wholly understandable. Every day the Bush regime outrages us and the world, the gulf widens between the reasoned masses and the perception managers and ideologues who surround the pathetic one in the White House.<br><br>Al Gore (the man who should rightly be president) has certainly had enough. He let Bush have it in a recent speech in New York City. The whining right-wingers who back Bush cried foul. To those who think Kerry is "Bush-Lite," Gore's words were a health tonic. Gore said Bush, like Fautus, sold his soul in return for global domination. It's not known if Gore, a Harvard man, has read up on Yale's Skull and Bones, but such a comparison has much merit. Gore wowed the audience with a call for the resignation of Bush's national security and defense team: the whole shebang of neo-cons and incompetents: Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Cambone, Condoleezza Rice. As Howard Dean would say, "Yee Haw!"<br><br>If the military does have to purge the Executive Branch of nut cases and les démagogues très dangereux, they will find support from Gore, who somehow wound up on a "check baggage" alert list at Reagan National Airport when he was boarding a flight to Wisconsin. Candidates for the Green Party and the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate have been similarly placed on passenger watch lists in what has become a Soviet-style system of internal travel controls and checkpoints. Across the political spectrum, people want their Constitution protected and if the military steps up to the plate, they will have widespread support.<br><br>So enough of this regime of fascists and suicidal Christian cultists. If the Bush junta and their panty-waste supporters want to take this battle into the streets they will find patriotic constitutionalist Americans up to the task. We have most of the military brass on our side and the real military veterans who have faced diminishing benefits under Bush (not that flotsam and jetsam of society that ride into Washington on Harleys every Memorial Day weekend and claim they have some God-given right to speak for veterans even if they do get a guided tour of the White House from the moron-in-chief in return for their meaningless political endorsement).<br><br>The neo-cons appear to be sensing that the tide is turning against them. Their archangel, Richard Perle, recently complained that a gaggle of former intelligence officers helped bring down his friend, the Iraqi conman Ahmad Chalabi, by publishing defamatory stories about him. Hey, Richard, I plead guilty! But we won't stop with Chalabi. Former and current intelligence officers, retired and active duty military officers, and all those who want to see sanity return to American foreign policy won't stop until we see you and your duplicitous friends ­ Michael Ledeen, Elliot Abrams, Manucher Ghorbanifar, and the other Iran-contra alumni -- similarly exposed as agents of influence who gladly walk the line between the Israelis and Iranians and eke as much out of both as possible. Dan Senor, the Coalition Provisional Authority spokesman, not only worked for the criminal Carlyle Group, but his association with a company that seeks to accelerate Israeli technology infusion into the U.S. defense and homeland security markets, deserves special condemnation and continued scrutiny once he folds up his Baghdad tent and moves back to the United States.<br><br>The frustration of Americans is matched by that of the people of Iraq, Britain, Haiti, Italy, Australia, and other nations that have come under the control of Bush's minions. The recent elections that threw out right-wing allies of Bush in Spain, South Korea, and India should serve as a stark warning to the neo-cons. Your time is also coming. Some members of the recently-dissolved Iraqi Governing Council, like the U.S. military, are in open revolt against the neo-cons. Tony Blair and Australia's John Howard are on the political ropes. Italy's neo-fascist Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi digs himself deeper into political and legal troubles.<br><br>The neo-cons, the swaggering Bush hegemonists, and their off-base "End Times" religious allies must be ejected from the American body politic. They did more to destroy this country's constitutional fabric than any recent past conspiratorial group ­ including the Communist Party, Weathermen, Freemen, or Ku Klux Klan. None of them ever gained control of the White House and Pentagon.<br><br>Let John Kerry begin the process of cleansing America of this ilk by resigning from and denouncing the Skull and Bones. Pass a Federal law requiring them to return human remains to proper burial places and stolen war booty to their rightful owners (in the case of Hitler's silverware, that would be the U.S. Government). The moron-in-chief should turn Saddam's pistol over to the new Iraqi government's archives.<br><br>If our military leaders decide to honor their oath to the Constitution, let those of us who would normally find abhorrent a Seven Days in May scenario, welcome their action. If retired Generals Anthony Zinni and Joseph Hoar are any indication, our military leaders have more of an appreciation for our way of life and traditions than the "selected" occupants of the Executive Branch. Our military leadership may be the only power in the land that can challenge those who seek to destroy the United States, if not the entire world.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen06042004.html">www.counterpunch.org/madsen06042004.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>That was June of '04. It's clear the groundwork has been being laid for awhile....I have no idea if the plan is to ACTUALLY get grassroots support for a military coup or just to head off civilian actions by showing that democracy simply can't work in the face of these "crazy" people. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Questions, questions

Postby sunny » Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:59 pm

This is not a rhetorical question, nor am I being facetious, but: Just how <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>is</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> the military supposed to protect the constitution from enemies "domestic"? If this is not a case for just such a scenario, then what is? They are not <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>supposed</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to take down domestic terrorist cells, the FBI is. They are not <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>supposed</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to disperse out of control riots or demonstrations, law enforcement is. They are not <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>supposed</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> to investigate serious instances of treason, sedition, or threats to violently overthrow the gov't, the FBI and Secret Service are. <br><br>So. If an out of control executive is wreaking havoc without anyone able to stop them, isn't the military mandated to act in just such a circumstance? Demonstrations don't help, voting doesn't help, writing letters doesn't help; blogging helps spread info, but doesn't, or hasn't been able to, stop such actions by the admin. as the Alito confirmation or NSA spying. Short of violent attempts by the citizenry, which in my mind is totally out of the question for many reasons, who else but the military? <br><br>This is not advocacy. Such a thing would be beyond frightening. Could the military be trusted to immediately turn the reins back to civilian control? Or would they usher in the era of an American Military Junta? Could we expect special electians or an orderly line of succession without interference? Would the media be allowed to fully and accurately report the true nature of the situation?<br><br>Rapidly deteriorating conditions make me believe that such questions should be asked and answered, forthwith.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sunny@rigorousintuition>sunny</A> at: 4/26/06 3:02 pm<br></i>
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Re: Questions, questions

Postby sussurus2 » Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:32 am

Kids, I'm sorry, but from a satellite level, there's nothing like screaming for the military (or the UN?) to "come save us" to invite the next phase of the game for players who set up these bastards in the first place. <br><br>I'd like to be wrong, but it's a gut feeling I've had for several years now that they were meant to be so bad and incompetent that folks after a certain point would be yelling their heads of for someone, anyone to come save us. And that would usher in the next level of control, while we'd bask in "relief" at some "return to normalcy" we'd actually be welcoming in an era of far less Liberty than even the modicum we enjoyed in the past. <br><br>I long for some truly alternative type of (peer-to-peer?) transformative force/recognition that would mean a groundswell of personal individual decisions amounting to a majority---where we each simply invalidate and shuck the system because it becomes so abundantly clear what an utterly corrupted farce it has been even since the founding of the nation. OK, I'm dreaming, but its a good dream to keep alive. To keep us all alive.<br><br>S.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Questions, questions

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:49 am

Good questions.<br><br>Notice that the hijackers of Air Force One are relying heavily not on the oath-taking Constitutional US military but PRIVATE armies of mercenaries like Blackwater, Custer Stands, USIS, etc.<br><br>Who defends us from an illegal White House using private fucking armies?<br><br>Sounds like Hitler all over again... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Questions, questions

Postby Dreams End » Thu Apr 27, 2006 8:13 am

Good comments, sussurus. I have the same feeling. <p></p><i></i>
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