Treasongate: Treachery by the Washington Post

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Re: There it is in black-and-white

Postby dbeach » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:56 pm

ANTI LINK please..I am losing some of the flow here..<br><br>"As a person with such clearances, LIBBY was obligated by applicable laws and regulations, including Title 18, United States Code, Section 793, and Executive Order 12958 (as modified by Executive Order 13292), not to disclose classified information to persons not authorized to receive such information, and otherwise to exercise proper care to safeguard classified information against unauthorized disclosure. <br><br>On or about January 23 2001 Libby executed a written “Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement” stating in part that “I understand and accept that by being granted access to classified information special confidence is placed in me by the United States Government” and that “I have been advised that the unauthorised disclosure, unauthorised retention or negligent handling of classified information by me could cause damage or irreparable injury to the United States or could be used to advantage by a foreign nation."<br><br>THANX <p></p><i></i>
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Re: There it is in black-and-white

Postby antiaristo » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:50 pm

dbeach,<br>It's the indictment. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: There it is in black-and-white

Postby dbeach » Fri Oct 28, 2005 10:54 pm

<br>also known as scooter<br><br><br>I LOVE IT!!!!<br><br>"a. Beginning on or about January 20, 2001, and continuing through the date of<br>this indictment, defendant I. LEWIS LIBBY, also known as “SCOOTER LIBBY,” was employed<br>as Assistant to the President of the United States, Chief of Staff to the Vice President of the United<br>States, and Assistant to the Vice President for National Security Affairs. In the course of his work,<br>LIBBY had frequent access to classified information and frequently spoke with officials of the U.S.<br>intelligence community, as well as other government officials, regarding sensitive national security<br>matters."<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5206002">www.democraticunderground...04x5206002</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: There it is in black-and-white

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 29, 2005 8:33 am

Fitzgeral is after the BIG PICTURE.<br><br>This is the crucial timeline for getting at motive.<br><br>September 26 2003 DoJ begins formal investigation<br><br>September 29 2003 Novak CHANGES HIS STORY. He now says that he did not know that Plame was NOC (tailored to a defense against the IIPA)<br><br>October 3 2003 Novak broadcast on CNN that Plame had listed BREWSTER-JENNINGS on her W-2 (signed April 1999)<br><br>October 3 2003 Two "Bush administration officials" told Pincus and Allen that all the leaks were true - especially the W-2.<br><br>October 4 2003 Pincus and Allen published that information for all the world to see.<br><br>Let me recap from the Wilson and Plame thread<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>kornholio,<br>I'm afraid you are being suckered into the big lie.<br>Of course I've seen it repeated around the net that Brewster-Jennings was toast as soon as Plame was outed. But I've yet to see any evidence that is true.<br><br>Look at what happened. On 3 October Novak named Brewster-Jennings on CNN. On the SAME DAY two "Bush administration officials" confirmed everything Novak had said to Pincus and Allen. Pincus and Allen then published these facts the next day, sourced to "two Bush administration officials".<br><br>The spin on this is that the dirty deal was done back in July. But the name was not public. Yes, she had left the clue to be found, but nobody had found it. How ironic. Even the Bushies overestimated the sleuthing skills of the DC presstitutes!<br><br>When the DoJ opened its investigation they shat themselves. "Those fucking presstitutes are useless! We'll have to give it a kick. Get me Novak on the line....."<br><br>The big lie is this: that America is under threat from without. I see no evidence that foreign intelligence services did a "work-up" on her name (as said that "former diplomat", hmm, who might that be?). I'd bet good money that nothing serious happened to Brewster-Jennings until AFTER it was published by the Washington Post.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Questions.<br>WHO was sitting on the W-2 information, waiting for the press to find it? That person is the key to unravelling the BIG PICTURE.<br><br>WHO phoned Robert Novak and tipped him off about the W-2?<br><br>WHO met Pincus and Allen? <br><br>Scooter Libby has the answers.<br>Scooters nuts are being squeezed. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/29/05 8:45 am<br></i>
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Re: Treasongate: Treachery by the Washington Post

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:45 am

And here is something else to chew on. This is from Ono's Al Martn piece (Ono, do you have the link, please?)<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This is very explosive and what makes it so explosive is that this Intelligence Identity Act, if it can be proved, and Rove can be successfully prosecuted and if Rove reveals that the president George Bush told him to institute this leak, then the President's automatic shield of immunity is removed and the president himself can be prosecuted for murder if any deaths of any US intelligence agents or assets resulted from the leak. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>This is the only legal statute that has this provision.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>NOW I see an even bigger picture.<br><br>One of the tests inherent in the IIPA is the notion of a pattern of disclosures.<br><br>And that would explain WHY Fitzgerald is being demure about the October leak.<br><br>IF he can show two separate but connected conspiracies, one to name Plame and another to name Brewster-Jennings, he is well on the way to securing convictions under the Espionage Act.<br><br>But he would also be well on the way to showing the IIPA was breached.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>And THAT would mean he can convict the President himself!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Added on edit<br><br>Don't forget what Josh Marshall reminds us. In addition to his role as Chief-of-Staff to Cheney, Libby was also Assistant to the President.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/29/05 8:26 am<br></i>
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Novak's Position

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:09 pm

This if from David Corn's Nation piece of 16 July 2003<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>This is not only a possible breach of national security; it is a potential violation of law. Under the Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982, it is a crime for anyone who has access to classified information to disclose intentionally information identifying a covert agent. The punishment for such an offense is a fine of up to $50,000 and/or up to ten years in prison. Journalists are protected from prosecution, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>unless they engage in a "pattern of activities" to name agents in order to impair US intelligence activities. So Novak need not worry</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Novak tells me that he was indeed tipped off by government officials about Wilson's wife and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>had no reluctance about naming her</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. "I figured if they gave it to me," he says. "They'd give it to others....I'm a reporter. Somebody gives me information and it's accurate. I generally use it." And Wilson says Novak told him that his sources were administration officials.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->. <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.thenation.com/blogs/capitalgames?bid=3&pid=823">www.thenation.com/blogs/c...=3&pid=823</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Novak was counting on being protected by John Ascroft. Then the DoJ launched an investigation, and Novak changed his story three days later to "I didn't know!" He then put the name Brewster-Jennings into the public domain on October 3. Then Ashcroft recused himself.<br><br>Fitzgerald has Novak by the short and curlies, and he is holding him in his back pocket while he squeezes Libby.<br><br>Novak and Libby share a piece of information, an identity.<br>Now Scooter can give it up voluntarily, and save himself some jail time. Or Fitzgerald will fall back on the journalist and get the information that way.<br><br>From reading Me's posts at firedoglake, that seems to be how Fitzgerald operates.<br><br>Apology<br>It would seem the Wilson children are five years old, and not two. I apologise to the Matrimonio Wilson<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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it ain't over, process is working

Postby AnnaLivia » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:56 pm

anti, i gotta let my kid on the machine for awhile, but i just can't duck back out without giving you just a teeny fraction of the kudos you deserve for what you've done and what you're doing in these threads.<br><br>i am so proud of you, and so grateful.<br><br>big rib-cracking hugs, sugar (and back later)<br><br>GO PADDY!<br><br>(and citizen spook rocks, too) <p></p><i></i>
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Libbys papa was what???

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:32 pm

Amazing factoid..<br><br>libbys dad tried to save tricky dicky nicky..<br><br>HOW these elites stick together and cover for one another!!!<br><br>Following is from Karl B. Schwarz:<br><br>"As I watch the October 28 news conferences regarding the indictment handed down against I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, I am reminded of long ago when his father G. Gordon Libby attempted to fall on the sword to save Richard Nixon, and failed.<br><br> <br><br>What was interesting in the indictment to me was the absence of any mention of the fall out that happened because Valerie Plame was outed by Libby and others such as CIA operatives that were terminated (murdered) because of the exposing of Valeria Plame as a CIA operative. Clear in the press conference was that Libby got his information from Richard Cheney. Like Watergate, I think the revelations are just beginning to unfold. Someone is going to be held accountable for much more serious crimes than Libby committed and was indicted.<br><br> <br><br>I get asked quite often what I would do first if elected President of the United States. I view that as a litmus test of how I view the current status of our nation and what must be done to clean up the mess that our government and their wealthy elite “owners” have done to our nation."<br><br> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.karlschwarz2008.com/">www.karlschwarz2008.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libbys papa was what???

Postby Fearless » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:20 pm

Not to nitpick or anything, but I don't think they're related. It's G. Gordon LIDDY, not Libby. Or did I miss something? Humor maybe? <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.liddyshow.us/" target="top">www.liddyshow.us/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libbys papa was what???

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:41 pm

SORRY .<br><br> GOTTA take my ginko and do my energy/psychology technique to calm down <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libbys papa was what???

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:30 pm

I just checked with Karl B. Schwarz who made the libby liddy anology..he was using it as a metaphor as a political analogy to show how the crooks all cover thier bosses..and BOTH libby and Liddy were /are big crooks.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Libbys papa was what???

Postby Fearless » Sat Oct 29, 2005 5:12 pm

I knew I was missing something. Thanks for clearing it up. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Treasongate: Treachery by the Washington Post

Postby OnoI812 » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:09 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>And here is something else to chew on. This is from Ono's Al Martn piece (Ono, do you have the link, please?)</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Anti-I have no link in particular...It was first released at Almartinraw.com but that is a pay site...However this was abig story at the time and it can be widely found on the internet by using google: al martin roverer<br><br>The Roverer part was a big deal at the time because it was Wilson who floated it during his Aug 29 speech. <br><br>I believe it was an attempt by Wilson to muddy the waters.<br><br>I'm trying to find earlier contentions of Wilson where he says that 70 or more agents met harm.<br><br>and we still haven't found any evidence that B-J was outed publicly <br>prior to 10/3 2003 ... something smells<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Apropos el Presidente

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 29, 2005 6:11 pm

Well lookit this<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Bured in the Johnston/Stevenson piece in the NYT is this jewel: Mr. Fitzgerald was spotted Friday morning outside the office of James Sharp, Mr. Bush's personal lawyer. Mr. BUsh was interviewed aobut the case by Mr. Fitz last year. It is not known what discussions, if any, were taking place between the prosecutor and Mr. Sharp.<br>lemond54 | 10.29.05 - 7:01 am | #<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.haloscan.com/comments/firedoglake/113056700805956787/#149807">www.haloscan.com/comments...87/#149807</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Apropos el Presidente

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Oct 29, 2005 7:21 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>earlier contentions of Wilson where he says that 70 or more agents met harm.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>Ono, was it Wilson who made those claims or was it Skolnick? <p></p><i></i>
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