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Bush is Distancing Himself

Postby Col Quisp » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:46 am

Bush whacked<br>Rove on CIA leak <br> <br>BY THOMAS M. DeFRANK<br>DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>WASHINGTON - An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News.<br>"He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told The News. "He made his life miserable about this."<br><br>Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world. <br><br>As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a President in deep political trouble.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Asked if he believed indictments were forthcoming, a key Bush official said he did not know, then added: "I'm very concerned it could go very, very badly."<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>"Karl is fighting for his life," the official added, "but anything he did was done to help George W. Bush. The President knows that and appreciates that."<br><br>Other sources confirmed, however, that Bush was initially furious with Rove in 2003 when his deputy chief of staff conceded he had talked to the press about the Plame leak. <br><br>Bush has always known that Rove often talks with reporters anonymously and he generally approved of such contacts, one source said. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But the President felt Rove and other members of the White House damage-control team did a clumsy job in their campaign to discredit Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, the ex-diplomat who criticized Bush's claim that Saddam Hussen tried to buy weapons-grade uranium in Niger.<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>A second well-placed source said some recently published reports implying Rove had deceived Bush about his involvement in the Wilson counterattack were incorrect and were leaked by White House aides trying to protect the President.<br><br>"Bush did not feel misled so much by Karl and others as believing that they handled it in a ham-handed and bush-league way," the source said. <br><br>None of these sources offered additional specifics of what Bush and Rove discussed in conversations beginning shortly after the Justice Department informed the White House in September 2003 that a criminal investigation had been launched into the leak of CIA agent Plame's identity to columnist Robert Novak.<br><br>A White House spokesman declined to comment, citing the ongoing nature of Fitzgerald's investigation. <br><br>Originally published on October 19, 2005 <br> <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So he admits knowing there was a "campaign to discredit" Wilson. Did someone slip up here? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush is Distancing Himself

Postby dbeach » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:02 am

notice the patterns as bush lovers paint the dictator wanna be as some victim..<br>now instead of blaming clinton<br><br>its blame rover the loyal lap dog<br><br>BUESH KNEW and the MM is in full spin<br><br>and the Fitzgerlad indictmenst will soon enough separate the spinn from the sin<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush is Distancing Himself

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:05 am

Sure, and it's Rove's fault, not Bush's. Right. Do I hear the sound of running water of Bush washing his bloody hands here? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush is Distancing Himself

Postby Col Quisp » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:07 am

And calling it a "clumsy" job of discrediting Wilson brings to mind that "clumsy" Watergate break-in, as if this whole thing is just a bunch of rogues who simply messed up. <p></p><i></i>
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cover-up

Postby Jen » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:26 am

So, does the fact that the stories attempting to insulate Bush are being printed mean that his allies believe Bush CAN be protected? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush is Distancing Himself

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 19, 2005 11:33 am

I'm thinking back to Justin Raimondo's July article of this year in which he posits that Rove is acutally a victim here, and I'm giving that speculation some consideration still.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6677">antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=6677</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>snip, emphasis mine<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>...What also seems fairly clear is that Karl Rove would not have had direct knowledge of Plame-Wilson's covert activities on behalf of the CIA, and that only a very few people high up in the national security bureaucracy had the clearance to get access to her name. So who was it? If Rove leaked to Novak, and half a dozen Washington reporters, then who leaked to the leakers? <br><br>This isn't about Rove.<br><br>It's about a cabal of war hawks inside the administration who passed on this information to others without telling them about Plame-Wilson's deep cover status, perhaps suggesting that she was just an analyst working at a desk rather than a covert operative involved in a vitally important overseas operation, the knowledge of which was highly compartmentalized and only dispensed on a need-to-know basis. When Rove and his shills blabbed to reporters and anyone who would listen, they didn't realize that they were aiding and abetting an elaborate ploy to stick it to the CIA. <br><br>Seen against the backdrop of the fierce intra-bureaucratic war that broke out in the administration in the run-up to the Iraq war – with the CIA and the mainline intelligence and diplomatic communities pitted against civilian neoconservatives in the upper echelons of the Pentagon and the Office of the Vice President – the outing of Plame and her colleagues amounts to an act of espionage committed out of a desire to exact revenge. The leakers meant to retaliate not just against Joe Wilson, through his wife, but against the "old guard" that was resisting the campaign to lie us into war. When the CIA wouldn't go along with the neocon program and "spice up" their analyses with Ahmed Chalabi's tall tales and the outright forgery of the Niger uranium documents, the War Party struck back at them with the sort of viciousness for which the neocons are rightly renowned. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The neocons had a fix on their target; now the question was how to get someone else to pull the trigger. The leakers, in order to protect themselves, "laundered" the leak through journalists (Judith Miller, one of their favorite conduits) and Bush operatives – Rove.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> In his book, The Politics of Truth, Joe Wilson says as much:<br><br>"Apparently, according to two journalist sources of mine, when Rove learned that he might have violated the law, he turned on Cheney and Libby and made it clear that he held them responsible for the problem they had created for the administration. The protracted silence on this topic from the White House masks considerable tension between the Office of the President and the Office of the Vice President.<br><br>"The rumors swirling around Rove, Libby, and Abrams were so pervasive in Washington that the White House press secretary, Scott McClellan, was obliged to address them in an October 2003 briefing, saying of Rove: 'The president knows he wasn't involved. … It's simply not true.' McClellan refused to be drawn into a similar direct denial of Libby's or Abrams's possible involvement, however."...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I don't mean to be excusing Rove, but all this information from July ties in very neatly with what I've been seeing on the net lately indicating there are serious strains in relations between Bush's office and Cheney's office. Then consider all the new information about Judith Miller's involvement. Her main man isn't Rove, it is Libby. There's another piece that fits in here, about the little mistake that was discoved in the release of Miller's information this week. I'll have to go look that up, I'm pretty sure it would support the hypothesis that Rove is being used.<br><br>I hope this gets Rove pissed. Heehee, even the Republicans are deserting him. I would not want to be one of Cheney's people if he decides to go after them. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/19/05 11:35 am<br></i>
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Re: Bush is Distancing Himself

Postby dbeach » Wed Oct 19, 2005 12:24 pm

"So, does the fact that the stories attempting to insulate Bush are being printed mean that his allies believe Bush CAN be protected? "<br><br>I would say yes..given the history of family bushand the international scope of their crime family.<br><br>the busheviks are now closing ranks to protect their boy/god/king "w."<br><br>rove will be the scapegoat or sacrificial lamb again to protect the dictator wanna be..<br><br>Watch as the MM minimizes and debunks any info that could upset their reign of terror from continuing..<br><br>The MM has proven that they are part of the fascists<br>..Why expect them to change?<br><br>Stories to depress the Truth Seekers and to marginalize Mr. Fitzgerlad will be as frequent as the crimes of theri syndicates. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush is Distancing Himself

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:29 pm

Raimondo has another informative article out today, which deserves its own thread, maybe titled "The Players". Yikes, the people in this Plame-gate and the ones from Iran/contra are so incestuous. <p></p><i></i>
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bad media

Postby Jen » Wed Oct 19, 2005 1:43 pm

"The MM has proven that they are part of the fascists<br>..Why expect them to change?"<br><br>Well, I don't. Which is why I'm still skeptical (sort of) that the investigation will produce the results I'd been hoping for. Imagine that any of what Citizen Spook's wrote in the analysis from the last page about what Fitzgerald may have accomplished somehow comes to pass. How would the MM even report on something like that? <p></p><i></i>
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Alert - 2nd Cheney staff member

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Oct 19, 2005 3:48 pm

assisting Fitzgerald - Wurmser. Hot Hot Hot<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/">rawstory.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alert - 2nd Cheney staff member

Postby dbeach » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:00 pm

wormser what an appropriat name for yet another <br>chicken hawk traitor neo-conjob <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alert - 2nd Cheney staff member

Postby Col Quisp » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:22 pm

The Wurmser turns...<br><br>That NY Daily News article keeps haunting me. ON the one hand, W claims he never knew about the leak. On the hand exposed in this article attempting to distance himself from Rove, it appears he DID know about it. What did he know and when did he know it? That is the age old question. <p></p><i></i>
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Love the pun

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:26 pm

Yes, I think you couldn't be 'righter'. Evidently the PTB plan to dispense with W. Now we have to see what new reality we find ourselves in as we try to assess this one. I fear that there will be no real change, just as Jeff set out in his great blog today. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Alert - 2nd Cheney staff member

Postby chiggerbit » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:29 pm

Oh, please, please don't let this snake ...I mean Worm...off. And, please, grant one thing--let the Worm rat on his buddy Bolton. <p></p><i></i>
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Madsen's latest

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:58 pm

October 19, 2005 -- According to informed sources in Washington, Vice President Dick Cheney's Chef of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby is expected to resign after he is, as expected, indicted for his role in outing a covert CIA agent, Valerie Plame Wilson, the wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson. <br><br>After phony terrorist threats against New York's subway system last week and the Baltimore Harbor and Fort McHenry tunnels yesterday, the Bush White House is hopelessly diverting the public's attention away from the inevitability of a major October political scandal involving high level resignations following indictments of key administration officials. After the White House managed to orchestrate the beginning of Saddam Hussein's trial in Iraq to divert attention from Leakgate, the trial was quickly postponed to the end of November -- a story waiting on the shelf to be pulled off again when pre-trial hearings may begin in Leakgate.<br><br>From the "so is that news department?" Lynne Cheney tells Time magazine that her husband has no plans to run for president in 2008. It should be noted that Spiro T. Agnew was not a viable candidate for president in 1976 after his 1973 resignation following his no contest plea before a federal judge on a charge of tax evasion.<br><br>Meanwhile, the Bush administration's neo con lackeys in the media are beginning to spin their counter-attack against the special prosecutor and his chief witnesses. Mort Zuckerman's neo-con tabloid, The New York Daily News, is calling Patrick J. Fitzgerald a former "doorman from Brooklyn" and the "son of a doorman." <br><br>GOP mouthpieces like former prosecutor Joseph DiGenova, a partner of Rove attorney Robert Luskin in a Florida case, continues to defame Joseph Wilson by referring to him as a "liar," who falsely claimed Cheney sent him on a trip to Niger. That GOP talking point is, itself, a lie. Wilson never said that Cheney sent him to Niger. Wilson was requested by the CIA to travel to Niger to check out unsubstantiated intelligence that Iraq was seeking to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger. DiGenova falsely claimed on Imus In The Morning today that the Niger intelligence was correct, even though the Niger documents were counterfeit. <br><br>DiGenova also claimed that Valerie Plame, a covert agent, had not traveled abroad in seven years. That charge is also patently false. Plame and Brewster Jennings & Associates' most critical overseas work on WMD counter proliferation occurred between 1996 and 2003. U.S. intelligence sources also confirm that during this period, the CIA counter-WMD team discovered the involvement of neo-con elements in the Bush administration, closely tied to the Likud regime in Israel and the Russian-Ukrainian-Israeli Mafia (RUIM), in trafficking nuclear components to Pakistan and Iran in order to heighten tensions between the West and Islamic states with developmental and embryonic nuclear weapons programs.<br><br>The GOP and their shills continue the "Big Lie." Iraq never sought yellowcake uranium from Niger. The Niger claim was also rejected by the Deputy Commander of the US European Command and the U.S. ambassador in Niamey. According to Italian sources, an Italian parliamentary report on the Niger documents claims that the Niger documents were forged by the trio of Michael Ledeen (Karl Rove's chief foreign policy adviser) and former CIA Rome station chiefs Alan Wolf (since deceased) and Duane Clarridge. A non-redacted version of that report was reportedly delivered to Fitzgerald as part of his overall investigation of the Bush White House. A copy was also delivered to US Attorney for Eastern Virginia Paul McNulty for his continuing investigation of Israeli and AIPAC espionage at the Pentagon.<br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>October 19, 2005 -- EARLY EDITION -- After several hours of talking to various informed sources in Washington, DC this past evening, this is what is being speculated upon on Leakgate. There are credible reports that National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley will be indicted by Special Prosecutor Patrick J. Fitzgerald. Hadley is being mentioned as an indictment target along with Karl Rove, Scooter Libby, and Ari Fleischer. There is also credible information that Vice President Cheney will be named as an unindicted co-conspirator. As reported on WMR on September 30, Libby's deputy John Hannah, as a cooperating witness for the prosecution, provided invaluable evidence pinning indictable offenses on Libby, Cheney, Rove, and other key White House officials: <br><br>From WMR (Sep. 30, 2005): "A former Justice Department prosecutor told this editor that Fitzgerald is the type of prosecutor who starts low in the food chain and works his way up to nab the big fish. Fitzgerald is said to have, very early on in the case, "flipped" John Hannah, Libby's deputy."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/">www.waynemadsenreport.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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