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So right, Anti

Postby Peachtree Pam » Fri Oct 21, 2005 4:39 pm

John Dean with the threadbare "national security cloak". Well, Fitz is already preparing his attack, both legally and from the PR perspective. He will get the public papers up online and they will fill the front pages because the MSM CANNOT ignore it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: So right, Anti

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Oct 21, 2005 5:15 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>But Ken Starr was not a seasoned prosecutor. And it may make a difference that Fitzgerald and Cheney are both Republicans, whereas, of course, Starr and Clinton were politically opposed. As a rule, prosecutors do not bite the hand of the party that feeds them.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>HA!!! Dean seems to forget that Fitzy is still playing pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey with the Republican now-ex governor of Illinois for his corruption.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/28/AR2005092802269.html">www.washingtonpost.com/wp...02269.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>snips<br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>With the power to sign government leases and dole out contracts, former Illinois governor George H. Ryan illegally steered business to his friends and cash to his family for more than a decade, a federal prosecutor charged Wednesday....<br><br>...At a time when Illinois Republicans are reeling, the long-awaited trial is not just the final reckoning for the 71-year-old Ryan, who spent more than 30 years in public office. It is also the highest-profile public corruption trial overseen by U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald, who has targeted state and local corruption with a string of indictments....<br><br>.....Fardon offered details that, if proven, open a startling window onto cronyism in the awarding of state contracts. Investigators contend Ryan put out the word to his staff that his friends should get their way. Those friends often tried to hide their profits, Fardon said.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 10/21/05 3:23 pm<br></i>
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Ledeen

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:10 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7681">www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=7681</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Fitzgerald may be going for the big enchilada.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Ledeen

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Oct 21, 2005 10:17 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>former Illinois governor George H. Ryan illegally steered business to his friends</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I strongly suspect that the Bush team has been steering many jobs, contracts to those who "qualify", namely fundie Christian, Rush-lovers, as well as old business buddies.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Steering

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:18 pm

Business as usual. This goes on all the time. One likes friends who have friends, etc.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Steering

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:36 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001349495">www.editorandpublisher.co...1001349495</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>snip<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>E&P asked reporters who are doing "Plamegate" stories to comment on all of the above. <br><br>"Blogs are useful for tips and leads, but I wouldn't run something off a blog without confirming it," said Tom DeFrank, Washington bureau chief for the New York Daily News. <br><br>DeFrank wrote a much-mentioned Wednesday story saying President Bush was initially mad at Karl Rove two years ago for his "Plamegate" role but nonetheless remained loyal to his top advisor. The article was picked up by the blogosphere, including a major liberal blog, which gave DeFrank an uneasy feeling. He said he would have been just as uncomfortable if a story of his was trumpeted by a conservative blog.<br><br>"I don't approach stories from an ideological point of view," explained DeFrank. "I do stories because they're good stories." He did note that he appreciates the exposure a blog mention can bring the Daily News. <br><br>Walter Pincus, who covers national security affairs for The Washington Post, said of blogs: "I Iook at them every once in a while. Some do enormous damage, and some are thoughtful."<br><br>Mark Silva, White House correspondent for the Chicago Tribune, added: "I don't pay much attention to blogs. Many are misleading and agenda-driven. You're going to have to do the work yourself anyway, so you might as well go straight to your sources." <br><br>What about anonymous sources? They've been used quite often in "Plamegate" stories, but Silva has kept them to a minimum in his own articles. "I'm not terribly comfortable with having the news driven by people who steer a story in a certain direction and can't be held accountable," he told E&P.<br><br>But DeFrank said journalists, in some cases, have to unfortunately omit names from their stories. "This White House is so secretive and, for the most part, so well disciplined that reporters frequently have no choice but to rely on anonymous sources," he noted. "That ups the ante on making sure you're not being used."<br><br>DeFrank, speaking of his Wednesday article, said: "There's no way to produce a story on a private conversation between a president and his chief political confidante without using anonymous sources."<br><br>The bureau chief -- who said Daily News reporters James Gordon Meek and Kenneth R. Bazinet have actually done a lot more "Plamegate" stories than he has -- added that his sourcing for the Wednesday article was "unimpeachable."<br><br>Silva said covering "Plamegate" has been "frustrating" because more information has come from defense attorneys and people who testify -- who obviously put their own spin on things -- than from special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald. Silva noted that Fitzgerald runs an "incredibly disciplined" ship when it comes to keeping things from being made public. The Tribune reporter added that working for a Chicago newspaper hasn't helped him get more information from Fitzgerald, a U.S. attorney from Chicago.<br><br>GiGiven that reporters have been "sent down some rabbit trails," Silva said it would be interesting when Fitzgerald finishes his work to see how much newspapers got right and how much they got wrong.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Steering

Postby robertdreed » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:39 pm

"I strongly suspect that the Bush team has been steering many jobs, contracts to those who "qualify", namely fundie Christian, Rush-lovers, as well as old business buddies."<br><br>Strongly suspect?!?<br><br>For once, I think that someone else on the board is parsing things too equivocally, and being too mild in their conclusions. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Steering

Postby chiggerbit » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:48 pm

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Re: Steering

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:08 am

Come on, rdr, I explained earlier this fall how my brother, who had NO police/emergency experience, had gotten some sort of job "training" security airport personnel, based (I suspect) on his fundie, Rush/loving connections. I don't think anyone understands how deep this kind of cronyism has penetrated. If I am right, it is much, much deeper than people realize, and it frightens me enough that I won't fly. <p></p><i></i>
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FYI

Postby Prac » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:12 am

from Scott Horton at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/blog/">www.antiwar.com/blog/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Faster, Please!<br><br>It is time for regime change in Washington DC, and I am so impatient! Who all in the executive branch will be indicted? The suspense is killing me. Rumors are swirling everywhere. It seems pretty clear that we can expect to see more indicted than just Libby and Rove, but what about the Niger uranium forgeries that started all this? As Chris Matthews explained the other day, without the "deal maker" lie that Iraq was actively pursuing nuclear weapons - a lie supported by Iranian spy and now Iraqi deputy prime minister Ahmad Chalabi, the ridiculous claims about the intended use of some intercepted aluminum tubes and the Niger uranium forgeries - the American people and the congress would not have supported the unprovoked invasion of a helpless third world nation..<br><br>So here once again is the case against that Machiavellian proto-fascist warmonger Michael Ledeen:<br><br>Ladies and Gentlemen of the internet grand jury, his motive is clear. Michael Ledeen has been intent on turning the Middle East into a "cauldron" of revolution for years. From the pages of the National Review, he consistently advocates the neocon's Israel-First democratist ideology, advocating "creative destruction" and crying "Faster, please" for more war.<br><br>He was a contract employee of the Office of Special Plans in Douglas Feith's "separate government" at the Pentagon, the "Lie Factory" where the talking points were put together to frighten the American people into supporting the invasion of Iraq.<br><br>His ties to SISMI, the Italian intelligence agency which gave the forged documents back to the US in 2002 go way back.<br><br>He attended a series of meetings in Italy with Israeli spy Larry Franklin, Harold Rhode, who "practically lived out of Ahmad Chalabi's office," Ledeen's old Iran-Contra buddy, Manucher Ghorbanifar, and SISMI's director around the time that the information surfaced.<br><br>Joshua Michael Marshall has written that all information about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger came from the forged documents, though the documents themselves weren't given to the US until October 2002, and that it's clear a SISMI asset at the Niger embassy in Rome was given the forgeries by SISMI people in the first place before she funneled them back to them and then us:<br><br>"[T]he intelligence reports that came in to Washington in late 2001 were from Italian military intelligence, SISMI. The other detail, according to intelligence sources I’ve spoken to, is that those reports turned out to be text transcriptions of Niger forgeries that didn’t surface in Rome until almost a year later...<br><br>From the very beginning, American suspicions about a Niger-Iraq trade in uranium were based on what turned out to be the forged documents. And the text transcriptions of those documents came in from Italian intelligence...<br><br>Burba, the Italian journalist who eventually brought the forgeries to the U.S. Embassy in Rome, got them from an unnamed Italian “security consultant.” His name turns out to be Rocco Martino, a retired SISMI operative. And as I mentioned last week, last summer, my colleagues and I conducted a series of in-person interviews with him.<br><br>It has sometimes been suggested in the Italian press that Martino himself is the forger. But he told us a different story — one that was corroborated by another participant in the handling of the documents. Martino told us that the documents came from a still-serving SISMI colonel, whom he named..."<br>Former CIA agent Larry Johnson has strongly implied that Ledeen is the one.<br><br>Another former CIA agent, former head of counter-terrorism under Reagan, Vincent Cannistraro, has answered the question of whether Ledeen was involved with, "You'd be very close."<br><br>Former CIA and DIA covert operative Philip Giraldi , when I interviewed him on my radio show last July 26th said the documents were forged by "a couple of former CIA officers who are familiar with that part of the world who are associated with a certain well-known neoconservative who has close connections with Italy." <br><br>When I said that must be Ledeen, he confirmed it, and added that the ex-CIA officers, "also had some equity interests, shall we say, with the operation. A lot of these people are in consulting positions, and they get various, shall we say, emoluments in overseas accounts, and that kind of thing."<br><br>When I said there must be a money trail for Patrick Fitzgerald to follow. Giraldi told me he thinks Fitzgerald has already found it. <br><br>When I interviewed him a second time, on September 3rd, Giraldi elaborated to say that Ledeen and his former CIA friends worked with Ahmad Chalabi and the Iraqi National Congress. "These people did it probably for a couple of reasons, but one of the reasons was that these people were involved, through the neoconservatives, with the Iraqi National Congress and Chalabi and had a financial interest in cranking up the pressure against Saddam Hussein and potentially going to war with him." Short mp3 of the relevant soundbites here<br><br>Wow, a board member of JINSA and his friends getting paid by Iran to lure the American people into their desert sand-trap.<br><br>Joshua Michael Marshall has also said," <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>f and when we actually get serious about getting to the bottom of this mystery, Italian intelligence should be one of the first places we go to ask questions."<br><br>Well, now it seems that this question is finally being asked and answered by the federal prosecutor... and even better - he's sharing the answer with another like him.<br><br>Earlier this week here on Antiwar.com, Justin Raimondo, based on a secret source, broke the story and revealed that Patrick Fitzgerald is indeed following the question of the origin of the crudely forged documents and the identities of Michael Ledeen's former CIA friends. His source, he says:<br>"'has finally been given a full copy of the Italian parliamentary oversight report on the forged Niger uranium document,' the former CIA officer tells me:<br><br>'Previous versions of the report were redacted and had all the names removed, though it was possible to guess who was involved. This version names Michael Ledeen as the conduit for the report and indicates that former CIA officers Duane Clarridge and Alan Wolf were the principal forgers. All three had business interests with Chalabi.'<br><br>Alan Wolf died about a year and a half ago of cancer. He served as chief of the CIA's Near East Division as well as the European Division, and was also CIA chief of station in Rome after Clarridge. According to my source, 'he and Clarridge and Ledeen were all very close and also close to Chalabi." The former CIA officer says Wolf "was Clarridge's Agency godfather. Significantly, both Clarridge and Wolf also spent considerable time in the Africa division, so they both had the Africa and Rome connection and both were close to Ledeen, closing the loop...'<br><br>No wonder my source tells me that 'Fitzgerald asked the Italians if he could share the report with Paul McNulty,' the prosecutor in the AIPAC case. There are plenty of links between the two investigations: they are, in a sense, the same investigation, since many of the same people are involved. McNulty is delving into a single aspect of the cabal's activities, while Fitzgerald seems to have broadened his probe to include not only the outing of Plame, but also the origin of the Niger uranium forgeries and other instances of classified information leakage via the vice president's office.<br>Raw story says that neocon belly-crawler John Hannah and David "Clean Break" Wurmser are, after all their tough-guy-neocon-warmonger posturing, nothing but a couple of sniveling little rats - snitches, who have decided to turn state's to save their own necks. <br><br>Let's hope that in the pile of indictments to come down from the grand jury next week, Michael Ledeen and his fellow traitor Duane Clarridge are among those on the docket.<br><br>Faster, ple</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: FYI

Postby chiggerbit » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:18 am

Chris Matthews? If he had had half a brain, he would have been able to figure all this out like the rest of us did before the war went down. I have no respect for the man any more. <p></p><i></i>
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First NYT Columnist on Miller

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:05 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Woman of Mass Destruction<br>by Maureen Dowd<br>NYT, Oct 22<br><br>I've always liked Judy Miller. I have often wondered what Waugh or Thackeray would have made of the Fourth Estate's Becky Sharp.<br><br>The traits she has that drive many reporters at The Times crazy - her tropism toward powerful men, her frantic intensity and her peculiar mixture of hard work and hauteur - never bothered me. I enjoy operatic types. <br><br>Once when I was covering the first Bush White House, I was in The Times's seat in the crowded White House press room, listening to an administration official's background briefing. Judy had moved on from her tempestuous tenure as a Washington editor to be a reporter based in New York, but she showed up at this national security affairs briefing. <br><br>At first she leaned against the wall near where I was sitting, but I noticed that she seemed agitated about something. Midway through the briefing, she came over and whispered to me, "I think I should be sitting in the Times seat." <br><br>It was such an outrageous move, I could only laugh. I got up and stood in the back of the room, while Judy claimed what she felt was her rightful power perch. <br><br>She never knew when to quit. That was her talent and her flaw. Sorely in need of a tight editorial leash, she was kept on no leash at all, and that has hurt this paper and its trust with readers. She more than earned her sobriquet "Miss Run Amok."<br><br>Judy's stories about W.M.D. fit too perfectly with the White House's case for war. She was close to Ahmad Chalabi, the con man who was conning the neocons to knock out Saddam so he could get his hands on Iraq, and I worried that she was playing a leading role in the dangerous echo chamber that former Senator Bob Graham dubbed "incestuous amplification." Using Iraqi defectors and exiles, Mr. Chalabi planted bogus stories with Judy and other credulous journalists. <br><br>Even last April, when I wrote a column critical of Mr. Chalabi, she fired off e-mail to me defending him.<br><br>When Bill Keller became executive editor in the summer of 2003, he barred Judy from covering Iraq and W.M.D issues. But he admitted in The Times's Sunday story about Judy's role in the Plame leak case that she had kept "drifting" back. Why did nobody stop this drift?<br><br>Judy admitted in the story that she "got it totally wrong" about W.M.D. "If your sources are wrong," she said, "you are wrong." But investigative reporting is not stenography. <br><br>The Times's story and Judy's own first-person account had the unfortunate effect of raising more questions. As Bill said in an e-mail note to the staff on Friday, Judy seemed to have "misled" the Washington bureau chief, Phil Taubman, about the extent of her involvement in the Valerie Plame leak case. <br><br>She casually revealed that she had agreed to identify her source, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney's chief of staff, as a "former Hill staffer" because he had once worked on Capitol Hill. The implication was that this bit of deception was a common practice for reporters. It isn't. <br><br>She said that she had wanted to write about the Wilson-Plame matter, but that her editor would not allow it. But Managing Editor Jill Abramson, then the Washington bureau chief, denied this, saying that Judy had never broached the subject with her.<br><br>It also doesn't seem credible that Judy wouldn't remember a Marvel comics name like "Valerie Flame." Nor does it seem credible that she doesn't know how the name got into her notebook and that, as she wrote, she "did not believe the name came from Mr. Libby."<br><br>An Associated Press story yesterday reported that Judy had coughed up the details of an earlier meeting with Mr. Libby only after prosecutors confronted her with a visitor log showing that she had met with him on June 23, 2003. This cagey confusion is what makes people wonder whether her stint in the Alexandria jail was in part a career rehabilitation project. <br><br>Judy is refusing to answer a lot of questions put to her by Times reporters, or show the notes that she shared with the grand jury. I admire Arthur Sulzberger Jr. and Bill Keller for aggressively backing reporters in the cross hairs of a prosecutor. But before turning Judy's case into a First Amendment battle, they should have nailed her to a chair and extracted the entire story of her escapade. <br><br>Judy told The Times that she plans to write a book and intends to return to the newsroom, hoping to cover "the same thing I've always covered - threats to our country." If that were to happen, the institution most in danger would be the newspaper in your hands.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Editor and Publisher quotes about web reliability

Postby Watchful Citizen » Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:38 am

Truly hysterical to see the internet disparaged as unreliable by the CIA-steered mainstream press as Judy Miller's NYT relationship confounds conventional expectations.<br><br>Regulars here know Operation Mockingbird. <br>Everyone else, 'google' it. <p></p><i></i>
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watergate-like event

Postby aleanor » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:24 am

I hate to say it, but I tend to agree with this author:<br><br><snip> "Whilst we await to see what transpires we have to remember that men like Cheney and Rove are the greedy little power-hungry middlemen for the higher echelons. They are puppets that are simply used to get a job done by the Globalist elite who are really in control. These people have been compromised from the very day they took office and their masters know that, it's part of how they are controlled and rewarded. Therefore will it really matter in the long run if they are removed from the operation? They have served their purpose and will simply be replaced. You can remove as many heads of the Hydra as you want, and whilst you celebrate your achievement it will simply regenerate twofold". <snip>        <br><br>They're lined up like rows of shark teeth, these creeps, ready to serve their Masters.<br><br>This is not to disparage Fitzgerald's efforts, but I'm afraid that what we're being treated to is an elaborate show [ paid for by ... guess who! ] to appease the increasingly cranky populace and to maintain the illusion that there is still such a thing as justice in the US. <br><br>Meanwhile the criminals get off with a slap on the wrist.<br><br><br>Indictment Is Easy Way Out For Bush Officials<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://infowars.net/articles/october2005/201005indictment.htm">infowars.net/articles/oct...ctment.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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watergate on steroids about to hatch

Postby AnnaLivia » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:25 pm

what is up with the expectation running around the net, that Paddy is somehow supposed to be giving us a brand new house, or there will be no success?<br><br>Paddy is about to deliver a truckload of DEMOLITION TOOLS. first things first.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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