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Re: full circle?

Postby sunny » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:46 pm

My guess is they are going to throw Cheney under the proverbial bus. Cheney may be powerful and evil, but he has nothing on the Bush family, as he surely knows by now. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: full circle?

Postby dbeach » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:55 am

sunnythats an outlook to bring out the Sun rain here again<br><br>Popy o gets my vote for the US archvillain of all times..BUT sauron cheny is way at the top..<br><br>Off to the Arkan asylum for these homicidal maniacs<br><br>calling Batman and Robin..citizens arrst of 2 illegal WH occupants..<br><br>cheny the highest ranking Scot mason in the USA <br><br>I love that one Anti..<br><br>REMEMBER how the bush/indicted story went out on 8/2/05<br><br>Not too many wanted to think it was real BUT its happening...<br><br>Scorpio is in Jupiter<br><br><br>rain in New England has broke all OCT records.<br><br><br>A CLEANSING <br><br>Popppy o was born in Mass<br>and jr was born in CT<br>.Light shining into the darkness <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Cheney said he didn't know

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:06 am

"And Vice President Dick Cheney's only public comments on Joe Wilson have been when questioned on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sept. 14, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>"I don't know Joe Wilson. I've never met Joe Wilson" and "I have no idea who hired him." </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0930-02.htm">www.commondreams.org/views03/0930-02.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Masons and things

Postby firstimer » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:35 am

Anti,<br><br>Thanks. I have no doubt that Kelly was suicided. He was about to be the Joseph C. Wilson of England. Its a wonder that Joseph survived his protest. I guess that there is at least a little reluctance to fuck around with a CIA agent's husband in that way. As I walked past the Masonic Lodge of NYC yesterday (23rd and 6th Ave). I was wondering about possible involvement in the intrigue of the last 5 years. But in the Kelly case why call it operation Mason? do they need attention? I hardly think that bread crumbs like that are accidentally dropped. <br><br>That does not exonerate the organization by any means. I believe that sensitive information exchange and safehouse operations are the bread and butter of such orgs. (sayanim of the western culture) but they don't advertise like that do they? <br><br>BTW Daily KOS says break-in was JAN 2001! they link to this article:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256">bellaciao.org/en/article....ticle=7256</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>That spells pre-9/11 premeditation! And it involves more names, and Fitz was very interested in those documents and their history. I think we have at least a little case of treason here, I hope there will be some extraneous info connecting 9/11 to these guys. I'll be pouring over whatever gets published. I'd be surprised if 9/11 was part of his investigation, but its part of mine!<br><br>firstimer<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re Fitzgerald has Cheney on perjury

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:47 am

<br> "Cheney was interviewed by Fitzgerald last year under oath. That would make it perjury to tell a lie. Although Republican logic tells us that perjury is only a crime if you're getting a blow job in the bargain, a legitimate US attorney might not see it that way.<br><br>What indication do we have that Cheney lied? Well, if Cheney he had told the truth when he was interviewed last year, i.e., that he was Scooter Libby's source, Fitzgerald would not have needed to threaten Judy Miller and Matt Cooper with jail in order to counter Scooter Libby's testimony that he first heard about Valerie Plame's identity from journalists."<br><br>"...in other words: the testimonies of Cooper and Miller were necessary to bust Libby in a lie."<br><br><br>Source: Jane Hamsher<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://firedoglake.blogspot.com" target="top">firedoglake.blogspot.com /</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Logical conclusion: Fitzgerald has Cheney on perjury. Furthermore, Jane Hamsher points out that it would've been a crime for Cheney to lie to Fitzgerald whether Cheney were under oath or not.<br><br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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an astute hypothesis

Postby dqueue » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:13 am

I caught this comment at <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/001026.html">The Washington Note</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->, Steve Clemons' blog... one step closer to TPTB?<br><br>"The questions Aaron Brown asked Jeffrey Toobin - and neither could answer - is "Cui Bono?" (although neither put it that way.)<br><br>Why does this information about Cheney emerge now? Who would leak it, and how would they benefit?<br><br>The only person who benefits is Bush 43 - and the only way he benefits is by avoiding indictment, tossing the blame of the whole grisly affair onto the backs of his closest associates - the Kenneth Lay defense.<br><br>Witin the week, we've already seen the "revelation" of the potential cover story. Steve, is it possible that this whole "Cheney-Rumsfeld cabal" version of events, told by both Scowcroft and Wilkerson, is actually a spin created by Bush 41 and his closest associates to save 43?<br><br>Certainly, the father must know what the son has done - brought us to war on false pretenses, which he knew to be false, and repeatedly lying to the American people in order to achieve his ends. The father must also know that the penalties for treason, espionage, and other high crimes and misdemeanors must extend from impeachment to imprisonment and potentially execution.<br><br>Certainly the father would do almost anything - even sacrificing the family retainers - to make sure that the son, and the family name, would not go down in American history as the greatest villian to occupy the Oval Office.<br><br>Better to have the son seen as a dupe, the hapless trusting victim of a "cabal", then as an integral part of the whole maleficent and larcenous scheme.<br><br>The nomination of Bernanke today is already infuriating Bush 43's "base", as the man is not a true-believing supply-sider. Bernanke is also an eminently sensible choice, from the point of view of a Bush 41 Republican.<br><br>Has the steering wheel been wrested away from the President? A little too late; we've already driven off the pier<br>Posted by Louise at October 25, 2005 12:23 AM" <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Masons and things

Postby Iroquois » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:57 pm

Ok, you may want to take this with a grain of salt.<br><br>I was in the viscinity of the London Lodge the other day, actually I had dinner across the street. A couple of days later I had a feeling, I'd call it a gut feeling but it was more literally in my chest, followed immediately by a revelation: that Kelly's heart attack was somehow caused by the London Freemasons.<br><br>I would have kept this to myself, but the synchronicity with antiaristo's comment was just too much to ignore.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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David Kelly never had a heart attack AFAIK,

Postby kornholio » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:21 pm

and that's definitely not how he died. He went for a walk and was later found dead with a slashed left wrist.<br><br>Are you thinking of Robin Cook? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Coded messages

Postby chiggerbit » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:40 pm

Douglas McCollam at Columbia Journalism Review makes the point that Libby may not have been the only one that may have been communicating in code with his aspen letter.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cjr.org/issues/2005/5/mccollam.asp">cjr.org/issues/2005/5/mccollam.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>snips<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>....The more you analyze Miller’s story (I have read it four times now) the less it seems like a straightforward recitation of events and the more it seems like a carefully scripted message to Libby, and perhaps to other sources with whom Miller spoke about Valerie Plame and Joseph Wilson.<br><br>I confess part of this impression may stem from my own legal background. I know too well that once a prosecutor starts circling, especially a super predator like Patrick Fitzgerald, it can get very hard for parties to communicate with one another without stepping on a landmine. This, for example, is why Libby’s lawyer, Joseph Tate, went ballistic when Floyd Abrams, one of Miller’s lawyers, suggested that Libby had “signaled” to Miller that she shouldn’t testify. To reporters such a request might be a normal part of the reporter-source relationship, but to a prosecutor it’s witness tampering and obstruction of justice. Abrams put Libby on the spot. That’s why Miller’s insistence on a personal letter or telephone call from Libby releasing her to testify was so problematic. Anything much beyond “please testify” could easily be construed as an attempt to influence Miller’s testimony. As Libby, a seasoned lawyer in his own right surely knows, a more complex communication is what obstruction charges are made of. <br><br>Which makes it all the more amazing that Libby wrote just such a letter to Miller while she was still in prison. The September 15 letter pointedly reminded Miller that no other reporter subpoenaed in the investigation had testified that Libby had discussed Valerie Plame with them. It also contained a loaded reference to how “out West where you vacation, the aspens will already be turning. They turn in clusters because their roots connect them.” Their roots connect them? Is it a coincidence that Libby and Miller shared a long-held concern about the intersection of WMD and Islamic militantism? Miller’s story implies in several places that she didn’t know Libby all that well (going so far as to point out she didn’t even recognize him when she bumped into him on a trip out West, a trip that Libby mentions in his letter to her). But it doesn’t address the key question of whether Libby was a source for Miller’s post-9/11 WMD reporting, or whether he helped arrange meetings with the Iraqi defectors who were peddling fabricated stories about Saddam’s weapons. <br><br>In analyzing Miller’s account, several themes emerge. First, with Fitzgerald clearly probing Vice President Cheney’s office, the administration would obviously have a concern that Miller’s notes might cause problems. But in her account in the Times Miller goes out of her way to stress that Libby protected Cheney at all times. This is key. While there seems little doubt that Libby would fall on his sword to protect his boss, a reporter is an altogether different matter. Miller’s account clearly signals that her notes don’t give Fitzgerald an avenue of attack on Cheney.<br><br>Second, as many have noted, Miller makes the suspect claim that she now can’t recall who gave her Valerie Plame’s name. Obviously then her direct testimony won’t be the lynchpin that lets Fitzgerald make a case that Libby or anyone else supplied Valerie Plame’s name, though the presence of her name in the same notebook as the notes of the Libby interview could allow a grand jury to draw a strong inference. Miller says she doesn’t recall who gave the name, which, by default, doesn’t finger Libby. But neither does it clear him.....<br><br>...... In addition, in her second interview with Libby about Wilson, Miller agreed to identify Libby as a “former Hill staffer,” effectively aiding and abetting the administration’s effort to undermine Wilson while at the same time covering its tracks. “I knew that Mr. Libby had once worked on Capitol Hill,” she writes. Yes, he did—he was briefly a special legal advisor to a House Select Committee on China more than a decade ago, surely the least relevant of all Libby’s many governmental posts in the last quarter century.....<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Another thing that snagged my attention is something I saw over on The Left Coaster<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theleftcoaster.com/">www.theleftcoaster.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> that not only was Valerie Plame's name noted by Miller as "Flame", but also that several media sources referred to Valerie Plame as VICTORIA Plame. Will both of these mistakes help Fitzy to pin down who told whom what when?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: John Kelly

Postby Iroquois » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:18 pm

kornholio,<br><br>Yes. You are right. Thanks for the correction. So much for rigorousness.<br><br>The intuition part, I feel, still stands. But the subject was Robin Cook.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: John Kelly

Postby dbeach » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:34 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Fitzgerald_has_decided_to_seek_indictments_1025.html">rawstory.com/news/2005/Fi..._1025.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>raw story says Fitz has decided to seek at least 2 indictments..How do they know?? Sounds like more minimization <p></p><i></i>
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Here we go..

Postby sunny » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:02 pm

Finally! I was beginning to wonder and worry. Now, Im breathing easier, knowing the world hasn't gone totally mad.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/359006p-305893c.html">www.nydailynews.com/news/...5893c.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Bushies take aim at probe <br> <br><br> <br>BY KENNETH R. BAZINET<br>DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU <br> <br>WASHINGTON - President Bush's damage-control handlers are plotting a sophisticated war room offensive to fight back against possible indictments in the CIA leak probe.<br>Trying to change the subject yesterday, Bush announced a new Federal Reserve chairman and convened his cabinet to signal business as usual at his beleaguered White House.<br><br>Behind the scenes, however, Team Bush was finalizing its campaign to discredit and undermine special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's conclusions, sources told the Daily News.<br><br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: John Kelly

Postby antiaristo » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:56 pm

iroquois,<br>Your instincts may well have been correct.<br>However he died, it was with the assistance of Masons.<br><br>We do not know how David Kelly died. The Hutton verdict is seriously flawed in many respects.<br><br>There has been no inquest on David Kelly. A loophole was inserted into the Judicial Inquiries Act which permits an inquiry like Hutton to substitute for a formal inquest. Another loophole in that same legislation allows for evidence to be given NOT under oath. Hutton chose that route for his inquiry.<br><br>In other words, I have more faith in your physical reaction than I do in KNOWN FREEMASON LORD BRIAN HUTTON. <p></p><i></i>
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AnnaLivia

Postby antiaristo » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:04 pm

I'm sure you'll get a kick out of this. From firedoglake comments.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I don't wish to go off topic here, but I heard something some of you will get a kick out of. "The 'Parsons' of Neocon talk radio'", (as in Orwell's 1984) Sean Hannity was squalling about one of his assistants bringing material culled from "Liberal and Democrat websites". He's upset over the term "Merry Fitzmas". LOL!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I hope you've been practising!<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: AnnaLivia

Postby dbeach » Tue Oct 25, 2005 9:11 pm

RE ers.<br>wish ya would take a look or post a comment at blog of CS . someone linked freerEpublic there. is'nt that a bush propaganda shill..??<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14899607&postID=113025183683493275">www.blogger.com/comment.g...3683493275</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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