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by **Peachtree Pam** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:42 am

"October 27, 2005 -- Late Edition -- On the eve of the day that is expected to bring indictments against current and former members of the Bush White House, there are rumors circulating in the media and around the punditocracy of DC about what will occur tomorrow. I spoke to a well known TV journalist yesterday outside the US Court House in DC and we agreed that this prosecutor's prevention of leaks from his legal team was unprecedented in a city that thrives on leaks. The rumors are mainly emanating from the defense side of the house. But here's the latest from the rumor mill (all very speculative but all from "insiders"): Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald will seek a Leakgate Grand Jury extension and possibly another separate Grand Jury to look into criminal matters not directly associated with the CIA leak . . . Karl Rove may not be indicted tomorrow but will remain under investigation by an extended Grand Jury . . . Others report that Rove may still be trying to negotiate a deal with the prosecutor in return for his cooperation . . . Judith Miller of the New York Times remains under investigation for inconsistent statements before the Grand Jury . . . I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby is facing "problems" on the domestic home front as well as from the Special Prosecutor . . . The names of John Bolton, David Wurmser, and CIA officer Frederick Fleitz have been added to the list of potential targets of the prosecutor for engaging in a criminal conspiracy to divulge the covert identity of Valerie Plame to Libby and other White House officials . . . The Bush White House is gripped in panic with an increasingly volatile George W. Bush, using the saltiest of language, accusing his closest aides of betrayal and disloyalty . . . Younger White House staffers are appalled at how fast the White House, which operated on strict organizational discipline, is unraveling in the midst of the biggest scandal to hit Washington since Watergate. Stay tuned." <a href="http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/">www.waynemadsenreport.com/</a>

by **FourthBase** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:01 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Younger White House staffers are appalled at how fast the White House, which operated on strict organizational discipline, is unraveling in the midst of the biggest scandal to hit Washington since Watergate. Stay tuned.<hr></blockquote> Holy shit is that for real? Maybe I should be a little more optimistic.

by **dbeach** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:06 am

HI PAM If ya get a minute tip toe over to CS forum under the Challenge to firdoglake comments..I posted this as rebuttal from some debunkers..there is about 13 comments so far and 2 insulting ones..You are already familar with it.. "Wingnutia may want to impugn Wilson shamelessly, but Poppy called him a "true American hero" and raised him to the rank of Ambassador for the skillful way he handled himself in the midst of a very delicate and dangerous situation during the first Iraq war. Moreover -- Scowcroft loved him. Scowcroft and Wilson were chummy. They both sat on the American Turkish Council. As Wilson said in his book: We fell into an easy relationship and would banter back and forth about the new administration and its predecessors. After board meetings or other events, we'd often Metro back across town together. As the obsession with Iraq overtook many influential members of the Bush administration, our conversations turned frequently to the emerging debate on Iraq and the merits of the approach being advanced by the prowar crowd. Hallo! Wilson would pal around with Poppy's best friend and trash Junior. Then Scowcroft publicly called Junior out:"" <a href="http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/">firedoglake.blogspot.com/</a>

by **Peachtree Pam** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:31 am

Hi dbeach, You're up late and I'm up early - this should be quite a day! I read the comments at CS, people are beginning to see the deeper levels which Anti and CS have set out. The instant I read that Scowcroft and Wilson were on the Turkish American Council, and were good friends, you know that Wilson is Sr's agent and that can never be good. Layers, layers, layers of deceit, but I think the Fitz can see it all...

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:16 am

You can count me as one who is inclined toward the notion that the Wilson/Plame/Miller?Novak thing is probably jiveass. And to realize that Patrick Fitzgerald was the prosecutor in the Sheik Abdul Rahman/1993 WTC truck bomb case...call me cynical. but...well, actually, I want to believe.But what a tangled web that trial was, with guys like Sgt. Ali Mohamed in the middle of it...who are these guys... And I've studied the careers of the Barcellas and the Giulianis and the Russionellos and the Pat Sullivans and the Robert Muellers and all the other headline-puffed "crusaders" leading Federal investigations as "star prosecutors", building high-profile careers on pressing the cases the PTB hand them to do; taking care not to color outside of the lines; and remaining content with limiting investigations before they lead to people too high up the ladder, or too sensitive in terms of power and political influence. Yeah, you can bust a heroin ring, as long as the connections don't go much higher than a bunch of pizza outlets; you can make your mark as prosecuting shark when Edwin Wilson's cover gets blown and the covert ops boys throw him overboard; you can decide to lead the investigation of the Letelier-Moffitt murder only where George Bush's CIA shines the light for you; you can give Carlos Cabezas a wink and a handshake and send him on his way, returning his cocaine profits with a court order; you can decline to prosecute the scion of a neofascist cocaine dynasty, because they're honchos in the most "pro-US" rightist political faction in Bolivia; or you can play dumb- and unconvincingly circumspect- when asked whetheryou knew of anf funny business connected to that very unique cornerstone of transnational banking in the 1980s, BCCI...just as long as your ambitions and your institutional loyalty keep you from asking boat-rocking questions about your betters above you in the hierarchy, you can go on to respectability and even renown as a "law-and-order guy." ( Lawrence Walsh wasn't a bad prosecutor. His leash was simply too tight, mostly because of those Iran-Contra Congressional Committee gentleman's agreements that George Bush brokered as damage control.) I hope Patrick Fitzgerald is different. I want to believe. But my hair is bristling about the Wilson-Plame affair, because I think that's a scandal that the American public is being fed- it sounds significant, but compared to what really needs to be run down, it's tame. And the issues are tailored toward mollifying any trepidations and misgivings among CIA and intelligence personnel about the nature of the power structure they've signed on with. It has the earmarks of a prefab made-for-TV mini-series. Maybe they already have the moral of the story. And wrists will most assuredly be slapped. But that's about it. And to an objective observer, the pace will be loris-like, the revelations will pay out like fish to trained seals, and the reporting will be breathless, over what I predict will be much ado over very little. I hope I'm wrong, though. I've been spanked for predictions before...but not that often. Yeah, one way or the other I'm bound to get spanked...I was raving about dancing in the streets, only a few weeks ago. Well, I still hope people like me get a lot to dance about. But I don't feature it coming from the Wilson/Plame case. Hih, sour assessment there...but I used to watch these football game practices, a field goal kicker named Brown and a place-kicker named Van Pelt...and after a while, I learned a lesson about the hazards of being persuaded to be sandbagged by one's own side. The more you agree to do it, the more they use the play. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/28/05 4:48 am

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 6:46 am

I don't know enough about the details of the coming hurricane in the white house and all the faces involved. I know, though, the feeling of being totally fed up with lies, injustice and twisted Orwellian politics. And I also know how sometimes you feel "wow, this is going to change, now they really have them", and then the disapointment, years later to find out, you were cheated again. Somehow. Still there are better times, and it seems change is coming and the power people are going to get hit, a little bit, mostly by their own arrogance and inner power struggles within. Ancient wisdom has it that ALL government is evil and corrupt and the individual's best bet is : place a distance between yourself and governement: minimize interaction, don't be flattered when they want your support, AND rely on their power struggles to remove the surplus of tyrrany. Its a cycle. My conclusion from life twists was never to say :Oh fitzgerals is GOOD and they are evil...he is another egomaniac if he chose this career, but instead to say, he is now doing the right thing inadvertantly. Never idolize leaders bureaucrats etc. If they had the chance they'd be on the side of those they now oppose vehemently. It is all crap, that's why the "MEssiah" fantasy caught up with people so well. Practically speaking, and according to the trend in the media here, the white house is in deep shit up to its chest. YEsterday reports that pentagon is slamming Israeli IDF again, with a little "china crisis" repeat. This time it is over "lost" electro optics (night vision) equipment. It seems they suspect Israel has been selling those, secretely to "the enemies of the USA" (Maybe iraqi insurgents ?). IDF announced they are going to run an investigation to find out how come so much equipment is "lost". Trouble in paradise, and a good sign that the winds are changing. OR maybe just a little spin, who knows.

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:04 am

"Ancient wisdom has it that ALL government is evil and corrupt and the individual's best bet is : place a distance between yourself and governement: minimize interaction, don't be flattered when they want your support, AND rely on their power struggles to remove the surplus of tyrrany." You sound like an old-school American conservative. Except for that last part...the American small-town conservatives were traditionally more paranoid about the central government, which made them more activist, a mistake that played into the hands of the tyrants, who played on those fears to contaminate them with allegiance to militarism and nativist activism in the name of "vigilance against tyranny." Ah, but it's a new day...American conservatism was revamped by its political cadre intelligentsia to support global empire in the name of "national greatness." A hoax. The Amish and Mennonites were wiser. Unlike the naive Goldwaterite/JBS rank and file, they followed all of the principles you outlined, IR, including the sage Taoist strategy of the last part.

by **sunny** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:23 am

Robert, I can't help it- in my heart, hope springs eternal. Not that I believe that Government will solve all of our problems, but that justice sometimes will be done, and now is one of those times. Oh, yes I've been burned plenty, but the evil corruption of this current administration is so odious, so oppressive that I don't see how we can all survive it without some kind of relief. Maybe that is the plan of the PTB- they know they had better open some kind of pressure valve and let us blow off some steam before we explode and really f**k things up.

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:25 am

I am far from conservative, but recently reached that stage in life "midlife crisis" of sorts, with the jaded "ive seen it all" mood that accompanies. Not to underestimate the good times, like immediately after WW2. (there's a nice essay about it by Hannah Arendt, in her on Totalitarianism, about how to define the brief "good feeling" back then, which was quickly wasted...) so let's celebrate the downfall of evil, remembering they will recuperate and return with their plans. At this moment I am cautiously optimistic that a certain evil allignment here in iSrael is crumbling right as we speak. SHimon Peres, Moshe Keret (the eternal president of Israel Airfract Industries, IAI), their evil network of devil worshippers in the intelligence, Atomic Energy committee and several other darker than darkness, agencies. Cautious, but maybe there is a license to hope...

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:26 am

"YEsterday reports that pentagon is slamming Israeli IDF again, with a little "china crisis" repeat. This time it is over "lost" electro optics (night vision) equipment. It seems they suspect Israel has been selling those, secretely to "the enemies of the USA" (Maybe iraqi insurgents ?). IDF announced they are going to run an investigation to find out how come so much equipment is "lost". U.S. covert ops has been known to do the exact same thing- embezzling hi-tech military gear and weapons from places like military bases and National Guard armories, and selling it to everyone from Colombian drug cartels to Qaddaffi's Libya to, well, around the world. I remember one case- nightscopes from China Lake Naval Air Station in California, in the 1970s. I seem to recall that was part of the inventory dealt by Frank Terpil and Edwin Wilson and their off-the-books Foreign Legion of drug dealing cops and rogue soldiers of fortune, part of which was a group based in Kentucky and known as "The Company"...out of Triad Ranch. Eventually, Edwin Wilson got arrested, identified as a former US covert ops boy who got greedy and went into business for himself, and eventually went to prison for trying to sell a few thousand lbs. of C4 to Qaddaffi, a deal for which Wilson claimed he had CIA/ONI sanction. Wilson went to prison. But eventually, he managed to file a successful appeal, and a Federal Judge overturned his conviction on grounds that he had obviously been working on orders and supervision of the CIA for the entire term of his career as an arms merchant, rather than a criminal rogue privateer dealing guns and explosives, as alleged by the Federal DAs. In other words, Wilson had been railroaded by a Federal prosecution. Imagine Wilson's relief at being vindicated. It only took around 25 years, or so.

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:32 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Wilson went to prison. But eventually, he managed to file a successful appeal, and a Federal Judge overturned his conviction on grounds that he had obviously been working on orders and supervision of the CIA for the entire term of his career as an arms merchant, rather than a criminal rogue privateer dealing guns and explosives, as alleged by the Federal DAs.<hr></blockquote> That's the main difference between your system and ours. THe American judiciary is not all that bad...here they would rot in jail, and in fact there is just a similar case here (*Nahum Manbar, charged with treason ten years ago for selling stuff to Iran, he was a licensed dealer for DOD here, but apparently there was monetary dispute over the money they are allowed to embezzle or sharing the profits among those thieves, so he is still in jail. LAst week newspapers broke some good news for him, as the partner who nailed him was caught assisting a Croatian war criminal...and smmugling him out to Turkey or something..these great people, gosh, we owe them so much :_)) The only reason I thing Big SHit can be dealt only in the USA< is because after all your judiciary is the most independent one around, because of the local divisions of the federal courts that operate almost automously in each district. You can't bend them all, always someone will be suddenly "independent"...like the 9th district always has more liberal lefty rulings etc. Here we have a centralized system, so you only have to bend the higher ups and all the rest are bound by them. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=israelirealities@rigorousintuition>israelirealities</A> at: 10/28/05 5:40 am

by **robertdreed** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:41 am

israelirealities, make no mistake: Edwin Wilson did about 22 years of Federal prison time before he won his appeal. <a href="http://intellit.muskingum.edu/genpostwwii_folder/genpostwar80s_folder/pw80swilson.html">intellit.muskingum.edu/ge...ilson.html</a> <a href="http://www.bigeye.com/111003.htm">www.bigeye.com/111003.htm</a> <a href="http://www.maebrussell.com/Bibliography%20Sheets/531s2.html">www.maebrussell.com/Bibli...531s2.html</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/28/05 6:21 am

by **israelirealities** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:56 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Interview with Edwin Wilson at Allenwood Federal Prison Camp. Wilson "looks surprisingly good for a 76-year-old man who has spent the past 22 years in prison, much of it in solitary confinement.... Wilson is scheduled to be released from prison Sept. 14."<hr></blockquote> Hillarious oh, that's some time to sit for something you didn't do. What i am saying is that your system is a bit ahead, namely, during those times in ISrael same person would be declared "missing in action" (burried under some highrise foundations). I suppose when they saw the "American way" they immitated, cause now that's precisely what they do here, false indictment, BUT release after about two decades when the victim is just happy to see the light of day, and the entire affair is irrelevant. Well, its a step up :-). But OK, I retract the american judiciary is just two decades ahead of ours, and a bit less predictable and controlled. Seriously, I'd trust my fate with your legal system rather than here. But that;s not really surprising, is it. This is the back yard calling... Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=israelirealities@rigorousintuition>israelirealities</A> at: 10/28/05 6:04 am

by **Trifecta** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:44 am

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