Patrick Fitzgerald, Radler and the Ghost of Fitzmas Future

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Patrick Fitzgerald, Radler and the Ghost of Fitzmas Future

Postby LibertyorDeath » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:40 am

Friday, October 28, 2005<br><br><br>Aug 19, 2005 (AXcess News) Chicago - F. David Radler, the ex-publisher of the Chicago Sun-Times, was charged with criminal fraud by federal prosecutors for his role in stealing $32 million from the paper's parent company, Hollinger International.<br><br>Patrick Fitzgerald acquitted himself superbly today. A country weaned on the corrupt, leering hackery of Ken Starr -- who squandered millions of taxpayer dollars in a partisan witch-hunt -- got to watch as a guy with an inner core of decency got up and frankly spoke about his investigation with professionalism and honesty. We got to be proud of the Justice Department again. We got to enjoy a moment of confidence that if there is a bottom to be gotten to in all of this there is a man in charge who will honorably and doggedly find it.<br><br>But hopes were set high that an array of GOP scalps would be waving in the wind by this time today, and that was not the case. Did we pin them unrealistically on a man and a situation to whom they did not rightfully belong? Perhaps.<br><br>But perhaps the only thing in the situation that is wonting is time.<br><br>If I were Karl Rove right now, I'd be kicking myself around the room. The thing that got him into this mess in the first place is spinning shit he didn't need to spin, and it looks like he's done it once again.<br><br>Fitzgerald held his cards close today, and gave no indication that Rove was on the hook for anything, giving pause to many who were hoping that he would give some signal that Turdy's goose was yet to be cooked. But on Thursday evening, Rove's people were spinning furiously to everyone who would sit still -- NYT, WSJ, AP -- telling them that Rove was not going to be indicted today, but his attorneys had been told that he was "still under investigation."<br><br>Wow. If they'd just shut up, all the talking heads would be chattering today about how Rove was in the clear. Flip on the TV and listen for a while, and hear how even partisan wonks like Andrea Mitchell and Bob Woodward -- who are certainly parroting every other talking point Unka Karl sent them out with today -- are still not saying that Rove is in the clear. They don't know what the fuck to say. The queen is dead and the Borgs are are wandering around aimlessly bashing into one another.<br><br>So what are we to think of all of this? Well, consider:<br><br>1. Fitzgerald gave nothing away today. Or, damn near nothing. However he let it be known that he could not investigate the underlying claims of violations of the Identities Protection Act because another crime was being committed that prevented him from doing so, namely the crime Libby stands accused of.<br><br>2. He's not done. As he said, "We recognize that we want to get this thing done. I will not end the investigation until I can look anyone in the eye and tell them that we have carried out our responsibility sufficiently to be sure that we've done what we could to make intelligent decisions about when to end the investigation.<br><br>3. In the Libby indictment, most individuals who are cooperating witnesses are indicated by their job title -- Assistant to the Vice President for Public Affairs, Under Secretary of State, White House Press Secretary (guess that explains where Ari Fleischer's been in all this, he's a cooperating witness). The exception is the anonymous "Official A," who purportedly spoke with Robert Novak in the week prior to July 11, 2003 (p. 8, pp 21). That's a distinction you would make if you were still investigating someone and you did not want to prejudice that investigation.<br><br>4. When pressed about whether members of the press (read: Novakula) could not discuss their dealings with the grand jury openly, Fitzgerald said he had requested that they remain circumspect so as not to compromise the investigation. But when asked later whether this now meant that they were released from this obligation, it was the only time I saw Fitzgerald waffle during the press conference -- he wasn't prepared for that one, and he said he couldn't answer. If the investigation were really over, then why not? Given the statements he made regarding the importance of the press, wouldn't he want to free everyone up as soon as possible?<br><br>5. As Josh Marshall and Billmon have noted, it was indicated both in the indictments and in Fitzgerald's press conference that there might have been enough evidence to go after Libby for Identities Protection. Why didn't he? Especially since the one time Fitzgerald stepped beyond his role as Special Counsel to editorialize was when he underscored the damage that had been done to the intelligence community by the outing of Plame. This guy probably hugs the Patriot Act in his sleep. He is a total law'n'order true believer. He would not pull his punches on that front, and has in the past been extremely aggressive -- some would say draconian -- in protecting what he saw as threats to the national security.<br><br>Now we enter the realm of -- admittedly -- pure speculation. But Fitzgerald has Libby on 30 years worth of counts, and he's got him cold. No wiggle room. Libby may not do 30 years, but he ain't doing 6 months. He is F-U-C-K-E-D fucked. It was the Veep's boon companion himself, David Gergen, who said on MSNBC today that this is squeeze time. It really matters little to a man of 55 whether he is looking at 30 years or 60 -- he'd rather have 60 thrown at him if some of them were shaky and he thought he could use the wobbly ones to get out of the rest.<br><br>There is no wobble in the indictments handed down today. It's pretty clear. Libby can deal or swing.<br><br>Which brings us to David Radler. Who is David Radler? David Radler was the #2 man at Hollinger International. The day after he was indicted by the US Attorney for the State of Illinois Patrick J. Fitzgerald for looting money from the stockholders of Hollinger, he announced he'd rather "cooperate with investigators" (read: rat out his boss, Conrad Black) than spend the rest of his life perfecting the ultimate starch job in the prison laundry. Radler decided he would take Door #2 and do twenty-nine unpleasant months and pay a fine when the prospect of life in prison became a reality.<br><br>That's just the way Patrick Fitzgerald works. If the Hollinger case, and the Ryan case, and the Daley Case, and the Al Quaeda case and the Gambino case are any indication, Fitzgerald will now use what he's got to get more.<br><br>So if I was Big Dick Cheney, I wouldn't be sleeping very easy tonight. At the very best, his chief aide was just popped for lying to protect him. Do you think Andrea Mitchell could spare some TV time from mewling over what a loss it will be not to have Scooter in the Hamptons during the summer to discuss the serious implications of the Vice President's role in this highly dubious affair? Well probably not, but if there's a God in his heaven tonight the tightly-stretched skin of her face will soon snap and whiplash her into inactivity.<br><br>Do not make this mistake of thinking a presidential pardon will be a panacea for those involved. Fitzgerald's honorable and straighforward presentation today made it nigh impossible for the Rovians to fall back on their old tricks and launch a smear campaign -- Matthews damn near crowned him Pope this afternoon, and any attempt at a pardon will just make Bush look like an impeachment-worthy crook out to thwart the efforts of an honest public servant. Every solution they can come up with seems to beget more problems.<br><br>There is no joy in Bushville tonight.<br><br>posted by Jane Hamsher @ 3:53 PM<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/10/patrick-fitzgerald-david-radler-and.html">firedoglake.blogspot.com/2005/10/patrick-fitzgerald-david-radler-and.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1696/694/320/grinch.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Patrick Fitzgerald, Radler and the Ghost of Fitzmas Futu

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:58 am

LOD<br> great score .GREATER 2 C U .<br>LOL<br><br>"but if there's a God in his heaven tonight the tightly-stretched skin of her face will soon snap and whiplash her into inactivity"<br> <br><br>"Matthews damn near crowned him Pope this afternooN"<br><br>Now IF Sweet Jane would throw in with the CS crowd..which is saying Wilson is in on the gig..then WATCH how fast more forums get hip to the rip.<br><br>Why eat blue fish when swordfish and sharks are more tasty??<br><br><br><br>Meathead Morris says things don’t bode well for Dick Cheney:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://thinkprogress.org/">thinkprogress.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"Morris: Libby Indictment Implicates Cheney <br>On Fox News, former presidential advisor Dick Morris says today’s events don’t bode well for Dick Cheney:<br><br>JOHN GIBSON: How bad is this damage? And what does the president need to control it, Dick? <br><br>DICK MORRIS: Well, it depends on whether we are just talking about Libby. If the prosecutor is happy with an indictment of him, a conviction, and that scalp on the wall is sufficient for him, then it just goes away. It’s one bad chapter and it passes.<br><br>But it is very possible that the prosecutor looks up the food chain to Vice President Cheney. These investigations have a way of rising. And according to the terms of the indictment, Cheney told Libby about Valerie Plame and then Libby lied to the grand jury about how he found about it, saying that he got it from a reporter. Well, if that’s the case, the vice president knew that Libby was lying.<br><br>And it wasn’t like his grand jury was secret. It was all over the place, you could read it in any newspaper. So my question is, why didn’t the vice president say anything? Why didn’t he speak up? And when you’re out there committing perjury and your boss is silent, and your boss knows that you’re doing that, it’s [the silence is] a subtle signal from your boss to say, “I appreciate it.”"<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Patrick Fitzgerald, Radler and the Ghost of Fitzmas Futu

Postby LibertyorDeath » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:28 am

Hey dbeach great 2 cu 2 !!<br> been on a extended cesta<br>good to be back.<br>Cloak claiming Cheney already indicted<br><br>CLOAK EXCLUSIVE<br>POSTED OCT.28/05 12:30pm cdt<br><br>THREE SEALED INDICTMENTS NOT REPORTED BY MASS MEDIA FOR<br>NATIONAL SECURITY REASONS<br><br>Cloak News Toronto - Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald under National Security guidelines sealed three Grand Jury Indictments today. Tom Heneghan (special Cloak guest) who has been on the forefront releasing first news on the work of the Grand Juries, has learned that VICE-PRESIDENT CHENEY and White House NSC Advisor STEVE HADLEY have also been indicted. <br><br> <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/">www.cloakanddagger.de/</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Patrick Fitzgerald, Radler and the Ghost of Fitzmas Futu

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 29, 2005 1:39 am

POST 66 moment<br><br>got some funnies at DU Fitzbin<br>checck your inbox at RI<br><br>Huffington post is fannin the flames.<br>.LIKE we said B 4 its gonna be a huge luv in when the MM wakes up..course we already know that most of the MM has sold our collective soul ..BUT hey to see sneerin saurin cheny in hand cuffs is the thrill of the century .<br><br> Only poopy o confessin to the JFK murder could thrill me more..politically speaking.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Patrick Fitzgerald, Radler and the Ghost of Fitzmas Futu

Postby LibertyorDeath » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:18 am

Like the pix at Huffington<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thenewswire/archive/ap/scooter-libby-rove.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>Next up<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.bakedziti.net/images/cheney.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=libertyordeath@rigorousintuition>LibertyorDeath</A> at: 10/29/05 12:20 am<br></i>
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Re: Patrick Fitzgerald, Radler and the Ghost of Fitzmas Futu

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 29, 2005 2:23 am

funny.. rover was born on Christmas day in colorado.<br><br> he is adopted..<br><br>don't think he is married heard libby has 2 kids...very fond of them<br><br>doing any time for libby will be tuff..missing yrs of your life for the syndicate bosse who set ya up..<br><br>Glad I am a law abiding US Citizen<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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A Criminal Lawyer's View on Where Plamegate Stands

Postby LibertyorDeath » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:08 am

<br>Prosecutors don't reel in trout to catch guppies.<br><br>Scooter clearly told Fitz to "go fish," so that's what the Special Prosecutor did: securing an indictment which effectively ensured that Scooter would never agree to roll on the Vice President--as if he was going to do that, he would have done it before his indictment.<br><br>[It is unthinkable that Scooter and his lawyer would have been so tone-deaf as to play a game of "indictment chicken" with Fitzgerald, planning to cooperate with him just as soon as Fitzgerald showed the necessary sac to go get an indictment; no one who knows anything about Fitzgerald would so brazenly and naively doubt his resolve].<br><br>So what about Rove? Will he collapse like a wet tissue and roll on his betters?<br><br>Fitzgerald isn't sure yet, which is the only reason Rove's not doing the same limousine perp-walk Libby did today.<br><br>So, once again, let's be clear: Fitzgerald could have indicted Rove today.<br><br>He has the evidence, he merely hasn't figured out his best strategy yet. Maybe Rove can make something stick on the President or Vice President; maybe Rove can't give quality but can give, instead, quantity to Fitzgerald: a large volume of mid-level co-conspirators who don't explicitly include, among their numbers, either of the two Big Fish but who, instead, represent simply one side of a regulation-size softball game--enough conspiring rats to really satisfy this Special Prosecutor's thirst for a Big Picture.<br><br>What's unthinkable, however, is that Rove and his lawyer, Luskin, somehow unearthed some information at the eleventh hour which will exonerate the man Stephanie Miller of Air America Radio has now dubbed "Tubby McTreason."<br><br>It just didn't happen, folks.<br><br>If Rove had information to exonerate himself, he would have offered it to Fitzgerald well before now: say, at one (or more) of his four appearances before the grand jury, or at some point during the two years of the leak probe.<br><br>Let's speak bluntly here, and say that any new information Rove proffers to Fitzgerald now--at this point--would only serve to inculpate Rove, solidifying Fitzgerald's belief (and make no mistake, this is his belief) that Rove has been holding out on him.<br><br>So if Rove has dodged a bullet here, it's not an evidentiary issue (as in, a lack thereof), it's a question of a) whether Fitzgerald is in the mood for a cheap pinch, and b) whether Rove still has the goods on somebody who matters.<br><br>Which makes me wonder how Rove--politically, I should think, radioactive at this point--is still working at the White House. Does anyone think Bush is letting Rove work for him while not knowing whether Rove is simultaneously ratting him out to the grand jury? Of course not. In the grown-up world which most of us inhabit, Rove is giving the President daily briefings on every little thing he and his attorney are saying to the grand jury and to Patrick Fitzgerald.<br><br>And how awkward is that?<br><br>Bush interrogating Rove on what Rove told the grand jury about Bush?<br><br>You have to wonder how long it will last.<br><br>You have to wonder, moreover, just how sick Bush's relationship with Rove is.<br><br>Make no mistake (to again use a phrase once so favored by this President): Rove is to Bush as a drug-dealer is to an addict, as a pimp is to a whore, as a blackmailer is to a blackmailee, as a bondsman is to a criminal, as a ruler-wielding nun is to a recalcitrant Catholic schoolgirl.<br><br>The two are not friends.<br><br>Rove is merely the latest and most dire of a series of parasites who've made their home on Bush's hairy ass. Others include Iraq's dissident pathological liar, Chalabi; Tom DeLay; Bill Frist; James Dobson; and The Devil.<br><br>What Fitzgerald wants: conspiracy indictments.<br><br>What he has: no one willing to cross a man (Bush) who could have any witness (admitting some melodrama here) killed, harassed, threatened, or ruined with a single phone call.<br><br>If Bush's cronies could effectively shame a repeatedly-medaled Vietnam war hero before an audience of--oh, about six billion--what couldn't they do to a bureaucratic ink-blotter like John Hannah, or David Wurmser, or anyone who dared to cross this President? Hell, this whole case is about how Team Bush rolls when challenged: does anyone think anyone here is not getting the message?<br><br>More grown-up talk: Scooter didn't "forget" anything. The indictment against him lays out nine separate instances--nine instances--in which he was told about Valerie Plame, all of which preceded the several instances in which he told federal prosecutors and grand jurors he wasn't sure whether he knew (at the point in time he was discussing) who Valerie Plame was.<br><br>Libby went to Yale undergrad. Columbia law school. He's been a practicing criminal attorney. He's one of the sharpest and most savvy men in America.<br><br>Enough said.<br><br>A man like that doesn't walk blindly into an indictment trap. He does it eyes wide open, he does it because he's protecting someone more important than he is--and when you've as much a sense of self-importance as Ol' Scooter has, that's saying something.<br><br>A man like Scooter does something like this because he must do it, else crimes of a more vicious and treasonous nature will be unearthed by his Inquisitor--perhaps crimes committed by him, perhaps those perpetrated by the superiors to which he owes his allegiance and daily bread.<br><br>The only question, now, is whether Tubby McTreason has the same gumption as Scooter, and whether Fitzgerald has enough witnesses to advance his Grand Theory--and make no mistake, like any good prosecutor, he has one--without either Tubby or Scooter.<br><br>We'll soon see.<br><br>Because one more thing is this: in the grown-up world in which Patrick Fitzgerald lives, this investigation ain't over 'til it's over.<br><br>And it ain't over, folks. 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Re: A Criminal Lawyer's View on Where Plamegate Stands

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:58 pm

"Tubby McTreason."<br><br><br>the fat lady ain't even entered the theater..in fact is still home feasting on guppies and trout<br><br>My bet is still..all the insiders are in on the spin and sin..including wilson/plame<br><br>"A man like that doesn't walk blindly into an indictment trap. He does it eyes wide open, he does it because he's protecting someone more important than he is--and when you've as much a sense of self-importance as Ol' Scooter has, that's saying something.<br><br>A man like Scooter does something like this because he must do it, else crimes of a more vicious and treasonous nature will be unearthed by his Inquisitor--perhaps crimes committed by him, perhaps those perpetrated by the superiors to which he owes his allegiance and daily bread.<br><br>The only question, now, is whether Tubby McTreason has the same gumption as Scooter, and whether Fitzgerald has enough witnesses to advance his Grand Theory--and make no mistake, like any good prosecutor, he has one--without either Tubby or Scooter."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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