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Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 22, 2005 11:11 am

This is From the Butler Report, which is the most official of official reports on WMD (HMSO).<br><br>I'm not going to editorialise, apart from highlighting certain passages.<br> <br>Was Plame a victim when she was outed, or was she secretly very relieved?<br><br>2.2 AQ KHAN<br><br>INTRODUCTION<br><br>64. AQ Khan directed Pakistan’s nuclear programme for 25 years and is known as the ‘father of the Pakistani nuclear bomb’. After studying in Europe, Khan worked for a company involved with the construction of an enrichment facility in the Netherlands. In 1976, he obtained Dutch and German designs for uranium centrifuges and took them to <br>Pakistan.<br><br>Based on these designs, Khan built a uranium enrichment facility at Khan Research Laboratories, where he successfully produced enough highly enriched uranium for Pakistan to test its first nuclear device in 1998. Khan subsequently exploited the supply network he developed to support the Pakistani programme in order to sell nuclear technologies to countries of concern. In this Section of our Report, we describe the significant help his activities gave to the nuclear programmes of several countries of concern, particularly Libya, and actions taken by the British Government in conjunction with others to close down Khan’s network.<br><br>WHAT WAS KNOWN<br><br>65. During the 1990s, there were intermittent clues from intelligence that AQ Khan was discussing the sale of nuclear technology to countries of concern. By early 2000, intelligence revealed that these were not isolated incidents. It became clear that Khan was at the centre of an international proliferation network.<br><br>66. By April 2000, the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC) was noting that there was an evolving, and as yet incomplete, picture of the supply of uranium enrichment equipment to at least one customer in the Middle East, thought to be Libya, and evidence linking this activity to Khan. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>By September 2000, it was pointing out that the network was expanding to mass-produce components for large-scale centrifuge cascades.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>67. During 2001, the JIC continued to track AQ Khan’s activities. An assessment in March 2002 pulled together all the strands of intelligence on AQ Khan then available. The conclusions showed the wide spread of Khan’s network and that he had moved his base outside Pakistan and was now controlling it through his associates in Dubai. At the same time, intelligence showed that he had now established his own production facilities, in Malaysia. He was being helped in his activities by a network of associates and suppliers, including BSA Tahir (a Sri Lankan businessman operating out of Dubai).<br><br>68. By July 2002, the JIC had concluded that AQ Khan’s network was central to all aspects of the Libyan nuclear weapons programme. Since Khan had access to nuclear weapon designs and had been involved in the development of Pakistani missiles, the Government feared that he might not only pass on the technology for enriching uranium but that he<br>might also enable his customers to build nuclear warheads for missiles. <br><br>As intelligence continued to build up, the JIC assessed that this was the first case of a private enterprise offering a complete range of services to enable a customer to acquire highly enriched uranium for nuclear weapons.<br><br>69. lntelligence also identi.ed further individuals in the supply chain, and more intelligence was also becoming available on finance and transportation methods, including <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>details of banks in a number of countries</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and the names of the shipping companies involved. Khan was also continuing to develop his business through his overseas facilities. By January 2003, the JIC was becoming particularly concerned at the progress Libya might be able to make as a result of the assistance it had received from the network.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>70. Action to close down the network had until this stage been deferred to allow the intelligence agencies to continue their operations to gather further information on the full extent of the network. This was important to gain a better understanding of the nuclear programmes of other countries which Khan was supplying. But Khan’s activities had now<br>reached the point where it would be dangerous to allow them to go on.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>71. At the tactical level, action was taken to interdict supplies of components moving from Khan’s manufacturing facility in Malaysia to Libya. The various stages in this supply chain had been tracked through intelligence reports. In October 2003, the BBC China, a German-registered ship carrying centrifuge parts, was diverted to Italy as part of a carefully-planned intelligence operation in co-operation with the Italian and German authorities. On the basis of the material found on board the BBC China, in November 2003 the UK and US Governments approached the Malaysian authorities to investigate a Malaysian company run by BSA Tahir. <br><br>According to the official Malaysian police report: His [Tahir’s] involvement . . . started in 1994/1995. That year the [Pakistani nuclear expert] had asked B S A Tahir to send two containers of used centrifuge units from Pakistan to Iran. B S A Tahir organised the transshipment of the two containers from Dubai to Iran using a merchant ship owned by a company in Iran. B S A Tahir said the payment for the two containers of centrifuge units,amounting to about US$3 million,was paid in UAE Dirham currency by the Iranians. The cash was brought intwo briefcases.<br><br>72. At the strategic level, action was taken in co-operation with President Musharraf of Pakistan to stop Khan from continuing his activities. Khan subsequently appeared on national television on 4 February 2004 to: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>. . . offer my deepest regrets and unquali.ed apologies to a traumatised nation . . . and admitted that an investigation by the Pakistani government: . . . has established that many of the reported activities did occur,and that these were inevitably initiated at my behest.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>VALIDATION<br><br>73. Key individuals in the network have provided veriication of the intelligence (for example, as indicated by the press release issued on 20 February 2004 by the Inspector-General of the Royal Malaysian Police after an investigation into BSA Tahir’s activities). The discovery of centrifuge parts on the BBC China bore out the intelligence on the supply chain. Libyan co-operation following Colonel Qadhafi's decision to abandon his nuclear weapons programme has produced firm evidence that the intelligence on AQ Khan’s support for this programme was accurate.<br><br>CONCLUSIONS<br><br>74. The uncovering and dismantlement of this network is a <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>remarkable tribute to the work of the intelligence agencies</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. As we looked at the reasons behind this <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>success</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, several key points became apparent. First, a team of experts worked together over a period of years, overcoming setbacks and patiently piecing together the parts of the jigsaw. Although an element of luck was important in providing a breakthrough, this was not a flash in the pan. It was the result of a clear strategy, meticulously implemented, which included the identification of key members of the network and sustained work against their business activities. Secondly, there was close co-operation between UK and US agencies, with both sides working to the same agenda. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But most importantly of all, there was strong integration in the UK between all the agencies. A decision was taken early on that at working level all information, however sensitive, would be shared.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>75. There was also a high degree of co-operation between the agencies and policy-makers in departments. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>This enabled swift and effective action to be taken at the right time</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. The action was intelligence-led. The agencies uncovered the activities of the network. The development of policy and action to close it down followed<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> y interdicting shipments; seeking co-operation from the Pakistani authorities; taking action with the recipients of AQ Khan’s products, most notably Libya; and by encouraging legal action, where possible, against members of the network.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.butlerreview.org.uk/">www.butlerreview.org.uk/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 22, 2005 6:11 pm

<br><br>I’ve read Citizen Spook’s latest. Out attorney is back on the case.<br>He is hinting at something when he dismisses “bitchslapping Joe Wilson”.<br>Here is one hypothesis.<br><br>The Iran/Contra shadow government never went away.<br><br>AQ Khan was Ollie North with nukes.<br><br>Brewster Jennings (a corporation) was tasked with COUNTERING nuclear proliferation.<br><br>Under Valerie Plame’s direction Brewster Jennings served to aid and abet AQ Khan in his proliferation activities.<br><br>AQ Khan was allowed to go about his business of nuclear proliferation in order “to gather more intelligence”.<br><br>By January 2003 the gig was up<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Khan’s activities had now reached the point where it would be dangerous to allow them to go on.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>Butler Report<br><br>More about January 2003 below<br><br>In July 2003 Brewster Jennings was burned. Those who knew the real story and what Plame was doing are now dead and buried.<br><br>Plame becomes pregnant sometime around January 2003<br><br>Against regulations Plame and Wilson pose for Vanity Fair January 2004 issue.<br><br>Wilson presses for prosecution under the (unenforceable) IIPA.<br><br>Iran/Contra II ends as Iran/Contra ended.<br><br>That was the plan. That was the cover story. Political vindictiveness as exemplified by Scooter Libby’s “obsession” with Wilson<br><br>But as CS says, they have taken a huge risk. Why?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Because the intent, shared by Cheney and Wilson, was to bury Brewster Jennings and the evidence it contained. <br><br>The “war” between Wilson and Cheney is a part of the amateur dramatics</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<br><br><br>JANUARY 2003 <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>“Khan’s activities had now<br>reached the point where it would be dangerous to allow them to go on.”<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That’s when Bush made the SOTU address.<br>Those “sixteen words” about British intelligence.<br>Brewster Jennings knew it to be a lie.<br>Brewster Jennings knew the Niger documents were forgeries.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Brewster Jennings rebelled. That’s why the gig was up.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>That’s why the rebels at Brewster Jennings were betrayed to the enemy in a time of war.<br><br><br><br>Pam,<br>Your instincts about Daviv Kelly were correct.<br>We must look at Judith Miller through very different eyes.<br><br>Kelly was found dead on the morning of 18 July 2003.<br>One of his final e-mails was to Miller. What, on 16 or 17 July?<br><br>That’s where he referred to “Dark actors playing games”.<br><br>Plame was outed on 14 July by Robert Novak. Brewster Jennings were outed on 16 July by Joseph Wilson IV in David Corn’s article.<br><br>The timing is damning.<br><br>And now we know Miller is a spook, and in on the scam, how would she react to Kelly writing about “Dark actors playing games”?<br><br>She freaked out. And she reported Kelly.<br><br>And the day after the deed was done she revealed the contents of the e-mail to the world.<br><br>A pre-emptive strike to establish her innocence.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:54 pm

how about some in betweenwarea like she/he are double agents and will side with the VICTORS..<br><br>I would if I was a privleged elite..<br><br>French rev of 1814<br><br>Gotta be scaring some of these rulers <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby antiaristo » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:07 pm

dbeach,<br>I agree they are double agents.<br>But BOTH SIDES are controlled by the same powers.<br>This was going on throughout Mr Mena's presidency.<br>So it amounts to the same thing.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I would if I was a privleged elite..<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm not sure that's true. I've seen some of it and it's not nice. Imagine not being able to share a good laugh without a victim. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 10/22/05 6:12 pm<br></i>
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Re: Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 22, 2005 8:25 pm

sorry just kiddin .a lil rainy humor .rained last wks for 10 days broke all OCT records..raining again today and tomorrow<br><br>I LOVE eevrybody in the whole movie even the lil grey fiends maybe instead of rooastin em I willl invite em for a barbacue<br><br><br>but I can't quite catch one...YET<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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antiaristo...

Postby banned » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:28 am

...that is without doubt the best explanation I have ever read about Plamegate--as in, it explains EVERYTHING about it, even David Kelly's 'suicide' (murder) which most people tend to forget about. It's what a mathematician would call an 'elegant' solution. All the other explanations only get so far, then you say "Yeah, but that doesn't make sense, why did [so and so] [fill in the blank]."<br><br>I would only modify it this way: not that they're all on the same side, but rather, the CIA had an agent--Plame--who wanted to come in from the cold, and a front organization they needed to 'burn.' They also wanted revenge on the neo-cons. So they figured out how to make it look like Plame was 'outed', with bread crumbs leading back to the Shite House. The journos used were either semi-witting or unwitting. Miller is a tool, not a macher.<br><br>Same tactic, really, as Watergate, if you believe the 'furthest out' theories--that the burglary was INTENDED to be discovered and to be the thread that when pulled on unravelled the Nixon Presidency. Mark Felt was no more Deep Throat than I was.<br><br>Bravo! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: antiaristo...

Postby dbeach » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:47 am

Listen to the minimizing of TREASON by corn fed..<br><br>this time corn is trapped by his own greed and ego..he is a great fall guy as the vicious dogs devour each other..<br>plus he had the phony lef tgate job so the righie swill really attack him many not knowing how dep is corn miller of course is mockingbird asset form 1970s..too kool too eccentric<br><br>now shes in the trap...If this really goes well EVEN poppy o is caught..How many CIA and former CIA must despise the arraogant son of a nazi..his image as the ivy league hero while living in splendor in kennyfinkport..<br><br>bush sr literally murdered his way to the top of the CIA and then the presidency . the queens viceroy and 33 rd degree mason<br><br>ANTI <br><br>I concur with the banned GREAT line up of info and slants that resonate..<br><br>One lil bet who has the power cheny or poppy o?/<br><br>Poppy o would be my bet but sauron cheny is his own heavyweight..steered bt the elites since his youth and has embarrassed poppy o before and insulted powell<br><br>I pray these madmen don't nuke the USA or any where else<br><br>as the LIGHT hits the darkness.<br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.davidcorn.com/archives/2005/10/sealed_indictme.php">www.davidcorn.com/archive...dictme.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>"Sealed Indictments in the Leak Case?/Did Dumb Bush Aides Ensnare Bush in a Cover-up?/Cheers for Bono and U2<br>"Two words we should think about: sealed indictments." That was said to me by a trustworthy Washington reporter who has been covering the Plame/CIA leak case. He wasn't making a prediction; he was raising a possibility. It could be that special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald might choose to file sealed indictments before the grand jury expires at the end of next week. That would mean that the names of the indicted would be unknown to the public--unless the information leaked. <br><br>Why would Fitzgerald do this? Perhaps he has not finished investigating. It could be that recent developments--Judy Miller's testimony, Karl Rove's return to the grand jury, the Daily News story that indicates Rove and George W. Bush discussed the leak (and Rove's involvement in the matter) two years ago--have provided him additional leads to chase down. (The Daily News story--see the items below--does raise important questions.) In such a case, Fitzgerald might want to bank several indictments, impanel a new grand jury, and keep digging. This is--needless to say--speculation. But anyone waiting anxiously for indictments should keep this scenario in mind.<br><br>Speaking of the Daily News revelation, I noted in previous items that this story was significant. By reporting that Bush was informed by Rove of Rove's participation in the leak, the story suggests that Bush was a party to the White House's effort to promote the false spin that Rove was not "involved." Why would Bush aides spill the beans about Bush and Rove's early conversation about the leak if that would implicate the president? According to strong evidence I have obtained, the Bush aides who spoke to the Daily News were actually trying to help Bush by peddling the story that he had been upset by the leak and had upbraided Rove. (See? He did take appropriate action against a leaker; he made him feel really, really bad.) These leaks to the Daily News were a clumsy effort to distance Bush from the bad news that might be coming. These aides apparently did not realize that publicizing the Bush-Rove discussion would not protect Bush but instead ensnare him in the cover-up. They simply had not thought about that. It's yet another sign of incompetence within the Bush crew. (Hurricane Katrina and the Harriet Miers nomination--especially the sloppy handling of the questionnaire she had to present to the Senate--are other recent examples.) It is hard to believe that Bush aides and advisers could be so dumb. But perhaps that's what happens when desperation sets in."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Brilliant analysis, Anti,

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:24 pm

and I think you are spot on. Now that we know St Jude is a spy, everything makes much more sense. I agree that she turned in David Kelly, although the equivalent actors in the UK had probably already made plans to take him out.<br><br>It will be interesting to see what happens next. Do you think that Cheney will be indicted?<br><br>Anti, do you think that Fitzgerald has found out about the scheme by the CIA for revenge/and to burn Brewster Jennings? Shouldn't you post this analysis at firedoglake and at CS? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Brilliant analysis, Anti,

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:59 pm

Why could it not have been the whole operation, Brewster Jennings AND Plame, who were behind outing the conspiracy of lies? Could the crazy, irrational invasion of Iraq have brought home to the Jennings operation that Khan and his international cohorts (Poppy Bush and all the rest) had to be stopped because it had become clear that some dangerous fruitcakes were leading this country? Seems to me there could be any number of possible theories. <p></p><i></i>
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Anti,

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:47 pm

Good you posted at fdl. I have not had time to read the site of the poster who gave a tip.<br><br>Have you thought about writing a longer, more detailed analysis for CS. As you know, we on RI know every single detail and twist in the road, but most of the "outside" people do not. So motive, background etc. has to be carefully set out. I realise it is not me doing the work, of course, but I think that you owe it to yourself to get a wider audience for your analysis. Also, the folks at CS would have a better background to understand than people anywhere else.<br><br>IMHO<br><br>Pam <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Wilson and Plame: Victims or Traitors?

Postby antiaristo » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:14 pm

chig,<br>Stolen from your post on alan Foley<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>RAY MCGOVERN: We’ll use it anyway and we’ll pin it on the British report. I watched the speech. We all watched the speech. When the President says the British have learned something, the presumption is the President is telling the truth. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>But the President was not telling the truth and everyone knew that</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>That certainly looks like corroboration for B-J rebelling, no?<br><br>On your earlier question, Wilson does look awfully suspicious in all this. And he is a proxy for Plame.<br>And if Plame is such a goody-goody why did she allow Khan so much leeway? What have we got in return for allowing him to mass produce nuke components for more than two years? What did she actually achieve?<br>That's why the Butler Report is 90 percent spin. It was a "great success". Yeah, How?<br><br>Plame was helping to create future enemies for the Military-Industrial complex.<br><br>banned, <br>Your comment is something that has worried me for some time.<br>You can have a set of facts, and the interpretation depends entirely on the intent, the motivation. That same set of facts can scream TREASON, or it can scream PATRIOT, depending on the state of mind. And that is something we cannot know.<br><br>It worries me because that is EXACTLY where we find ourselves with British courts. We don't know the mind of the judge, whether he has been "nobbled" by the Treason Felony Act. NO judgement out of a British court can be assumed to be safe.<br><br>dbeach,<br>My money is on Poppy. Remember, Cheney is the "highest ranking Freemason in American public life". But Poppy is no longer in American public life.<br>Bush's first sojourn with MI6 was Kennedy.<br>Cheney was still blowing up frogs with firecrackers (or was that somebody else?)<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Pam,<br>I get the sense that Fitzgerald is out ahead of us in all this. He's been the national security prosecutor since 1996 and in 1998 he indicted bin Laden.<br>He took down the Ryan operation (not that dissimilar to the White House).<br>He's had his case for over a year.<br>I'm CERTAIN he has people monitoring the blogs. I think he wants a dialogue.<br>He knows the MSM are a bunch of whores, and he's not prepared to play by their rules.<br>But he's reaching out to the Internet community with his website.<br>And look at what he's posted. The terms of his appointment.<br><br>"Shut up, mainstream media"<br><br>On writing something more rounded. I'm having difficulty these days in writing the old-fashioned way. I'm fine in "bullet point" mode, but joined-up stuff is difficult. I've promised Eric something and finding it difficult to apply myself.<br>Hopefully it's a passing phase<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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The lastest poop...

Postby banned » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:20 pm

[Accidentally posted this first in the "Aspen" thread...I'm not trying to spam!]<br><br> banned<br>Unregistered User<br>(10/23/05 4:16 pm)<br>Reply Last two things I've read... Headline article on Yahoo of all places...makes it sound like a slam dunk that indictments will come down.<br><br>Article by John Dean on Findlaw...he's been skeptical all along they could get anyone for the actual outing due to the language in the law, and now he says that as long as the parties involved plead national security reasons Fitz is stalled (and folks, John Dean is a lawyer's lawyer). BUT he concludes:<br><br>"Unless, of course, these folks were foolish enough to give false statements, perjure themselves or suborn perjury, or commit obstruction of justice. If they were so stupid, Patrick Fitzgerald must stay and clean house."<br><br>They got Al Capone on tax evasion. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The lastest poop...

Postby chiggerbit » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:22 pm

Oops, anti, I think I posted it to the wrong thread. <p></p><i></i>
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AND I forgot the links.

Postby banned » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:25 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051023/pl_nm/bush_leak_dc_1">news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051..._leak_dc_1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20051021.html">writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20051021.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The lastest poop...

Postby antiaristo » Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:37 pm

banned,<br>Yes, I read it on the other thread <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>But the Dean comment gets to the heart of it, especially given Fitz had his protections reinforced in the first few weeks!<br>How can you tell state of mind?<br>If people act innocent, their state of mind is probably benevolent.<br>Which is why it is so stupid. Not only do you get penalised, but you LOSE THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE ON THE UNDERLYING CHARGES. <p></p><i></i>
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